The Big Bang Theory Seasons 1-10 Episode Tournament

[April]

23 minutes ago, bfm said:

Hmm. Personally I only REALLY like 3-4 of those 8.

I'm not surprised that there are many Shamy milestone episodes since in the last 3 seasons the show certainly appeals much more to Shamy fans than to Lenny fans (Howardette don't have so many fans).

During the last tournament there were only 3 episodes with Shamy plots and 2 of them where from the season right before the tournament so this year is surprising to me. Then again it's only my 2nd year here, Idk how it was in the earlier years.

[bfm]

1 hour ago, April said:

During the last tournament there were only 3 episodes with Shamy plots and 2 of them where from the season right before the tournament so this year is surprising to me. Then again it's only my 2nd year here, Idk how it was in the earlier years.

3 out of 8? That not little.

[3ku11]

Depends if the other five were Lenny milestones episodes, which I doubt it. And they weren't. Or what the other episodes plots were. So I agree 3 Shamy episodes out of 8 ain't little.

I agree their is only 3 out of the 8 that made it I like or I voted for. I think their are far stronger episodes through out the series. That are not their. But like I said this whole thing is very subjective.

This one going it be hard though. Bath Item and Panty Piñata both absolute classics from this show. And easily top 5 ever from this show imo. I'll have to go with Bath Item though. Out of the 8 that made it. I,only really like Bath Item, Panty Pinata, Adhesive Duck, and Scavenger. The other episodes meh. 

Edited July 31, 2017 by 3ku11

[April]

1 hour ago, bfm said:

3 out of 8? That not little.

3 out of 16. Opening Night, Earworm and Prom. I would have to look up how far they've come... Opening Night won the tournament, I think Earworm made it into the last 8 or even 4, Prom I don't remember maybe last 8.

But it was a lot less in total than this year: 3 out of 16 last year vs. 7 out of 16 this year is a big difference.

Edited July 31, 2017 by April

[bfm]

10 hours ago, April said:

3 out of 16. Opening Night, Earworm and Prom. I would have to look up how far they've come... Opening Night won the tournament, I think Earworm made it into the last 8 or even 4, Prom I don't remember maybe last 8.

But it was a lot less in total than this year: 3 out of 16 last year vs. 7 out of 16 this year is a big difference.

Well this was a big year for Shamy and a crappy one for Lenny. Some Lennys left this year.

Edited August 1, 2017 by bfm

[April]

7 hours ago, bfm said:

Well this was a big year for Shamy and a crapy one for Lenny. Some Lennys left this year.

Some Lennies left last year, too, and the year before. Just ask Tensor. Tons of Shamies also left the forum. Not sure what that has to do with the tournament.

[bfm]

1 hour ago, April said:

Some Lennies left last year, too, and the year before. Just ask Tensor. Tons of Shamies also left the forum. Not sure what that has to do with the tournament.

My assumption is that the gap between number of Shamy voters and Lenny voters is growing. Remember that not only forum members vote but I think some fan behavior here represent the behavior of non members. The Lennys who left got tired of the show. I doubt that many Shamys got tired of it. 

[April]

19 minutes ago, bfm said:

My assumption is that the gap between number of Shamy voters and Lenny voters is growing. Remember that not only forum members vote but I think some fan behavior here represent the behavior of non members. The Lennys who left got tired of the show. I doubt that many Shamys got tired of it. 

Oh I see what you mean. Though I'm not sure how representative the forum really is. As said, there have been some big fluctuations with the user base and right now the few active ones are relatively equally split between Shamy and Lenny fans. Also, as Tripper said there've been some big changes in the facebook/twitter algorithms which affected the outcome of the voting participation so there's no telling if it wasn't just chance that, say, more fans liking certain Shamy episodes ended up seeing the advertising posts.

Btw in the end the number of votes to get into the top 16 wasn't really that high for the lower end so I imagine if the Lenny thread actually put its resources together and collectively vote for your favourite Lenny episodes then I think you could have gotten more in. It's all a question of getting "your people" engaged about activities like this. (Then again I can see how it's easier to get people engaged when they're still more invested in the show.)

[bfm]

54 minutes ago, April said:

Oh I see what you mean. Though I'm not sure how representative the forum really is. As said, there have been some big fluctuations with the user base and right now the few active ones are relatively equally split between Shamy and Lenny fans. Also, as Tripper said there've been some big changes in the facebook/twitter algorithms which affected the outcome of the voting participation so there's no telling if it wasn't just chance that, say, more fans liking certain Shamy episodes ended up seeing the advertising posts.

Btw in the end the number of votes to get into the top 16 wasn't really that high for the lower end so I imagine if the Lenny thread actually put its resources together and collectively vote for your favourite Lenny episodes then I think you could have gotten more in. It's all a question of getting "your people" engaged about activities like this. (Then again I can see how it's easier to get people engaged when they're still more invested in the show.)

You can see that Shamy threads are more active... And of course there are the non member voters...

As for current activity I don't think hiatus activity is representative, forum activity is not that representative in general so in hiatus...

[3ku11]

Well if you look at the views and replies in The Shamy thread. Compare some to The Lenny thread. It's almost tripled that of The Lenny thread. So I could dare argue, a lot Of Lenny have left this forum. Or heck just simply started watching, more then Shamys. The lack of, or increase in activity could explain the results, percentages, and number of votes in the tournament matches. I'm not saying that's true, just a thought. You wouldn't expect the traffic as far as Lenny goes, to increase at all. Based on how diminished they have become on the show. The activity in Ths Shamy Thread. Makes sense when you look at the Current show.

[HeWolf]

Based upon comments I have seen it is readily apparent that the Lenny base is dissatisfied with the current state of TBBT, and no doubt many have left the forum, and/or, ultimately stopped watching the show. This is not the first time the forum/show has seen such an exodus. There were many in the early days that did the same when the quirky little comedy they had come to know began to, in their eyes, devolve into a standard Rom-Com. They believed the show had abandoned its roots and become something all too similar to 'Friends'. This played out in the shift away from the science and nerd/geek plots to relationship centered dynamics. They were dismayed at the domestication of Howard; the humanization of Sheldon; and the producers disloyalty to the base pairing of Lenny. That the Lennys have become disenchanted with the further erosion of that relationship, and the shift to increasingly Shamy-centric plots, (subbed mainly with Howardette), is not surprising. It's a Shamy world and there are enough Shamy fans to keep the show going for the next few years. Some Lenny's will hang on and others will depart. While I am not thrilled by the current show dynamics, I do find Shamy entertaining enough to watch, What I cannot stand much more of is the juvenilization of Sheldon. A middle aged toddler is not, to me, amusing.

So, to draw this to some relevance to the polls, it will not surprise me if a newer Shamy centered plot ends up winning. More fans of that relationship will almost certainly result in more votes for those episodes. 

Edited August 1, 2017 by HeWolf

[Jonny]

1 hour ago, HeWolf said:

Based upon comments I have seen it is readily apparent that the Lenny base is dissatisfied with the current state of TBBT, and no doubt many have left the forum, and/or, ultimately stopped watching the show. This is not the first time the forum/show has seen such an exodus. There were many in the early days that did the same when the quirky little comedy they had come to know began to, in their eyes, devolve into a standard Rom-Com. They believed the show had abandoned its roots and become something all too similar to 'Friends'. This played out in the shift away from the science and nerd/geek plots to relationship centered dynamics. They were dismayed at the domestication of Howard; the humanization of Sheldon; and the producers disloyalty to the base pairing of Lenny. That the Lenny's have become disenchanted with the further erosion of that relationship, and the shift to increasingly Shamy-centric plots, (subbed mainly with Howardette), is not surprising. It's a Shamy world and there are enough Shamy fans to keep the show going for the next few years. Some Lenny's will hang on and others will depart. While I am not thrilled by the current show dynamics, I do find Shamy entertaining enough to watch, What I cannot stand much more of is the juvenilization of Sheldon. A middle aged toddler is not, to me, amusing.

So, to draw this to some relevance to the polls, it will not surprise me if a newer Shamy centered plot ends up winning. More fans of that relationship will almost certainly result in more votes for those episodes. 

I knew about the Sheldon thing but Howard? Wow I find that really surprising. I thought he was going to end up in jail the way he was going at times.

If I had to name my top 3 favorite character progressions over the years Howard would easily make my top 3. 

[HeWolf]

1 hour ago, Jonny said:

I knew about the Sheldon thing but Howard? Wow I find that really surprising. I thought he was going to end up in jail the way he was going at times.

If I had to name my top 3 favorite character progressions over the years Howard would easily make my top 3. 

Back in the early days creepy Howard was comedic gold. And, he fit the mold of the inept ladies man that Simon played so well. There were a lot of comments about him being neutered and made into half of Howardette that showed it wasn't all that popular with some people. 

Don't get me wrong. I am not among those that oppose the evolution of Howard. He's still a fun character that offers a lot of laughs. 

[April]

3 hours ago, bfm said:

You can see that Shamy threads are more active... And of course there are the non member voters...

As for current activity I don't think hiatus activity is representative, forum activity is not that representative in general so in hiatus...

You guys have two Lenny threads going and together they are not that far behind the Shamy thread. I expect that will dramatically change during the season but so far during the hiatus (when the tournament takes place) the activity isn't that much different. So the handful of us Shamy fans currently here are a bit more chatty in our thread but we're not, like, massive in numbers or anything.

The only reason I bring this up is because your earlier post sounded like you suggested the ratio of Lenny vs. Shamy fans on here is somehow an explanation for the many Shamy episodes in the final top 16 this year. As I've said earlier, I think it's probably just a question of who Tripper reached with his tournament advertisements outside of the forum.

[bfm]

3 hours ago, April said:

You guys have two Lenny threads going and together they are not that far behind the Shamy thread. I expect that will dramatically change during the season but so far during the hiatus (when the tournament takes place) the activity isn't that much different. So the handful of us Shamy fans currently here are a bit more chatty in our thread but we're not, like, massive in numbers or anything.

The only reason I bring this up is because your earlier post sounded like you suggested the ratio of Lenny vs. Shamy fans on here is somehow an explanation for the many Shamy episodes in the final top 16 this year. As I've said earlier, I think it's probably just a question of who Tripper reached with his tournament advertisements outside of the forum.

I didn't mean the ratio here is the explanation. I used it to suggest that generally there might be more Shamy than Lenny fans invested in the show nowadays, hence more Shamy voters from wherever the poll is published. 

And about our threads... There are two because we needed a special one to complain! (That's so sad that it's almost funny...) It's the same people, just dividing our comments between positive and negative... If a person uses one laundry machine for their colored clothes and another for their whites that doesn't mean they have more clothes than another person filling a machine with only one type of clothes. Look at the season 10 threads, so much more pages on the Shamy one.

Edited August 1, 2017 by bfm

[April]

Just now, bfm said:

I didn't mean the ratio here is the explanation. I used it to propose that generally there might be more Shamy than Lenny fans invested in the show nowadays, hence more Shamy voters from wherever the poll is published. 

Misunderstandings happen.

Just now, bfm said:

And about our threads... There are two because we needed a special one to complain! It's the same people, just dividing our comments between positive and negative...Look at the season 10 threads, so much more pages on the Shamy one.

And in our threads it's just the same amount of people writing more comments because we actually have something to talk about. Right now during the hiatus it's about a dozen people writing in one thread vs. about a dozen people writing in two threads. lol

As said, I expect it to change once the show is back on - quite a few Shamies have explicitly said they'll be busy over the summer and only will be back for S11. I don't know how many there'll actually be though. The Shamy population on this forum dropped dramatically due to some other circumstances. Oh well...

[3ku11]

Tbh combine the Dark Lenny thread and the spoilers one. Shamy spoilers thread over the past three years would still get more traffic. So I see where BFM is coming from. Ton of Shamy milestone episodes made the Top 8. I mean I understand Finalies are popular. But 10x24 is so weak imo. Several episodes that are far stronger could be in its place. But it's all subjective.

[3ku11]

We'll Bath Item win easily.

Next one easy. Adhesive Duck.

[Jonny]

Earworm for me, not a fan of the stoner storyline.

[3ku11]

Well personally I don't think technically it could be classed As a stoner storyline. A) It was the B Story. The main story was Sheldon helping an injured Penny. And B: I didn't see the guys as stoned. They took some special cookies. Which from what I recall had some herbs in it. That caused them to behave in that way. That is why it was so hilarious, and refreshing seeing the guys so off it. The whole Howard's cousin story was hilarious. Each to their own, of course. But you wouldn't be doing justice to the amazing work by Jim And Kaley. By dismissing it. Theair plot imo to this day still the funniest plot this series ever did. From accidentally grabbing Pennys boob. To driving her to the ER. To the ER scenes. Penny: Ass! Sheldon: Possible Terrettes. Then Kaleys expressions, Emmy worthy. When Sheldon tried to Be their for her. Then of course the amazing Soft Kitty scene. 

Of course this is all subjective. But just thought I would share why this episode imo. Is Top 3 from the series.

[veejay]

3 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

........ Which from what I recall had some herbs in it. ..........

[spidergirl]

3 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Well personally I don't think technically it could be classed As a stoner storyline. A) It was the B Story. The main story was Sheldon helping an injured Penny

Because it is a B story it could not be a stoner storyline? I did not get it, sorry....

3 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

And B: I didn't see the guys as stoned. They took some special cookies. Which from what I recall had some herbs in it. That caused them to behave in that way. That is why it was so hilarious, and refreshing seeing the guys so off it. The whole Howard's cousin story was hilarious. Each to their own, of course. But you wouldn't be doing justice to the amazing work by Jim And Kaley. By dismissing it. Theair plot imo to this day still the funniest plot this series ever did. From accidentally grabbing Pennys boob. To driving her to the ER. To the ER scenes. Penny: Ass! Sheldon: Possible Terrettes. Then Kaleys expressions, Emmy worthy. When Sheldon tried to Be their for her. Then of course the amazing Soft Kitty scene. 

Of course this is all subjective. But just thought I would share why this episode imo. Is Top 3 from the series.

A person can be stoned by some herbs in cookies as there are a few herbs that can make the person getting high. It is not a question of believing in it or not...

Edited August 3, 2017 by spidergirl

[3ku11]

5 hours ago, spidergirl said:

Because it is a B story it could not be a stoner storyline? I did not get it, sorry....

A person can be stoned by some herbs in cookies as there are a few herbs that can make the person getting high. It is not a question of believing in it or not...

I obviously need to clarify myself lol. I get that im just saying the episode itself was not a stoner storyline. The main story was Sheldon and Penny. I didn't mean to say their was no stoner storyline in the episode. But personally I never thought of the guys plot as them stoned until this forum lol. I've always thought the plot was hilarious,as from what I've observed most people do too. Look each to their own of course, everyone is entitled to their own preferences. My criteria though on when I vote for these episodes. Is simply quality. Well Adhesive Duck be played on tv 20-30 years from now? Most likely, it's a classic from this series. Earworm? Hmm not so much. But that's jmo.

Edited August 3, 2017 by 3ku11

[spidergirl]

16 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

I obviously need to clarify myself lol. I get that im just saying the episode itself was not a stoner storyline. The main story was Sheldon and Penny. I didn't mean to say their was no stoner storyline in the episode. But personally I never thought of the guys plot as them stoned until this forum lol. I've always thought the plot was hilarious,as from what I've observed most people do too. Look each to their own of course, everyone is entitled to their own preferences. My criteria though on when I vote for these episodes. Is simply quality. Well Adhesive Duck be played on tv 20-30 years from now? Most likely, it's a classic from this series. Earworm? Hmm not so much. But that's jmo.

Thanks for clarify me.

[Stephen Hawking]

14 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Next one easy. Adhesive Duck.

Perhaps not.