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21 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Most people want them to homage the pilot. 

Back to the sperm bank you mean? (just kidding :icon_neutral: But they are getting older -- they wanted to make a deposit, perhaps they will need to make a withdrawal). Leonard or Sheldon or both?

 

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7 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I didn't see what I considered to be an in depth discussion about whether or not to put her in day care vs. Howard keeping his promise. So I'm not sure how they arrived at that decision. This was to me a promise made to a character by another character, though. Not a vague throw away line by one character at the beginning of the show.

1) But since Halley is at day care and they both took her (with Stewart if I remember correctly) they did it together and are in agreement. That would imply (even if it is not a certainty) that the promised itself was not broken because they (both) changed their minds. People are allowed to do that, aren't they?

2) I resent your implication that smart and beautiful babies is a throwaway line.

1 hour ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Hardly a sign of lesbianism.

And what about all of Amy's insinuations to Penny? Did you forget those? What about when Amy kissed Penny and was later singing "I kissed a girl and I liked it"? Did you forget that as well?

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7 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Two out of how many episodes? But I don't want to argue with you.

 

Well, it's more than one episode.  I think the writers have shown, by Howardette's actions, they simply changed their mind.  After all, at the time of Howard agreeing to stay home, they only discussed two choices, Bernadette stays home, or Howard stays home.   It would appear they have found, at least, a third option. 

 

7 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I just want to ask you...do you REALLY trust them to handle that well? 

I'm not quite sure what this has to do with the fact that it wasn't only once, in the pilot.   That it was included in season four, and spoke of in a way that indicated it was something Leonard spoke of on a continuing basis.    As far as your question, the last few years have led mo to not trust the writers with respect to Leonard and Penny, yet I still watch for Leonard and Penny, and I would love to see them become parents.

 

7 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

 It's got more to do with me not trusting these writers to not make a mess out of it. Probably with ten or fifteen jokes about not being able to drink wine to start with. I can't see it being done well enough for any of the fans, never mind someone like me who doesn't like that kind of storyline to start with.

Look, I've been hooked on this couple since the beginning.  Their lives (up to season seven) were so very much like my wife's and mine, that it was uncanny.  As for continuing jokes, they have quite a few of those.   What's the difference if they have jokes about how much Penny drinks, compared to how she can't drink?  In fact, it might be refreshing to hear some different jokes.  

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Carey said:

MY two cents.

 

First line-- skyping with dad, dad buys

second line--wife, K motives ___ is being

third line--K asking L, L conf---

fourth line--K identifies with break up

fifth line--K goes to movies alone

sixth line no idea

Seventh line --discussion,  L -----

eighth line L and P are mean to him

Ninth line--to each other at

 

Good catch! Here's what I got differently from you:

Second line- I think it's "W+K", not "wife", and then "K .... W"

fourth line: "K....W, break up"

Seventh line: discussion, "L sides with W"

Basically, as far as I understand,  a Raj/Howard plot,  they possibly fight  and Leonard and Penny are somehow involved.

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15 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

Not to be confused with Leonard Penny painting, or Penny Leonard painting,  hey what! Hehehe. 

(They are, maybe, “happily married”. If only it came out more)

Yeah the show keep telling us Lenny are happily married. And in general I Think they are. But wish the writers would show it more. Why not have some more fun married life plots. Leonard and Penny have always been one of the biggest reasons I watched this show since the pilot aired here in 2008. Because I can relate to their relationship so much. But they have kinda been in air pilot motion for a long time. 

5 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Good catch! Here's what I got differently from you:

Second line- I think it's "W+K", not "wife", and then "K .... W"

fourth line: "K....W, break up"

Seventh line: discussion, "L sides with W"

Basically, as far as I understand,  a Raj/Howard plot,  they possibly fight  and Leonard and Penny are somehow involved.

Whos KW?

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1 hour ago, mirs1 said:

Good catch! Here's what I got differently from you:

Second line- I think it's "W+K", not "wife", and then "K .... W"

fourth line: "K....W, break up"

Seventh line: discussion, "L sides with W"

Basically, as far as I understand,  a Raj/Howard plot,  they possibly fight  and Leonard and Penny are somehow involved.

Yes, looks like a Raj/Howard plot, involving Leonard and Penny at some point.

This is what I got:

- K skyping w/ dad, dad buys...

- W+K, K notices W is...

- K asks L, L confirms

- K confronts W, break up

- K goes to movies alone

- ? knows who he'd side w/ in...

- ...discussion, L sides w/W

- ? says L+P are mean to him

- ...to each other at...

 

 

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6 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Howard always talked about 'kids' in the plural so I assumed he wanted at least two. Whenever he and Bernie discussed it whether vaguely or seriously it was about 'them' or 'they'. It was only in the 'I'll think about it' discussion IIRC that t was about a child, singular.

We don't know the end result of these discussions, it could be that they talked about bringing one and "we'll see..."

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1 hour ago, 3ku11 said:

Ahhh why are we being cryptic lol? I am gathering Howard and Raj are fighting. And Leonard and Penny are involved some how. 

 

30 minutes ago, luminous said:

Yes, looks like a Raj/Howard plot, involving Leonard and Penny at some point.

This is what I got:

- K skyping w/ dad, dad buys...

- W+K, K notices W is...

- K asks L, L confirms

- K confronts W, break up

- K goes to movies alone

- ? knows who he'd side w/ in...

- ...discussion, L sides w/W

- ...L+P are mean to him

- ...to each other at...

 

 

Yeah I get the impression that Howard and Raj are fighting, could be about Raj using his parents' money again which may explain why L&P are "mean to him" - they remember him sponging off them (?). 

The "break up" thing could be that the writers want to write the fighting between Howard and Raj as if it were a break up, like they wrote Lenny like parents to Sheldon in "The Guitarist Amplification" (and many more). 

The last line could be the last scene for this plot, maybe someone saying they should stop being mean to each other (like Howard when Leonard and Sheldon were fighting in 7×02).

These are all wild guesses of course.

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16 hours ago, HeWolf said:

I really don't take issue with Bob Newhart (Professor Proton) appearing in Sheldon's dreams. Bob may not be to everyone's taste but I have always found him amusing. 

What doesn't work for me is the idea of Sheldon successfully assuming the role. We have seen from 'Fun With Flags' how wooden and totally lacking any screen presence he is on camera. (Another example of the phenomenal talents of Jim Parsons is how well he acts badly on FWF) It has also been proven that Sheldon is one of the worst ever, in-person, teacher/lecturers. If they put him in a lab coat and he is suddenly Mr. Charm and Personality it will be a total break from the established character. 

I would be happy with a FWF type scenario, where he is blind to perhaps how bad he is in front of the camera and the appeal of the show (and the show deliberately plays to that) but internally both he and Amy get a lot of satisfaction from doing it. If doing a science show reignites his spark for science (which one could argue he hasn't had the same spark for science since he became disillusioned with string theory) then that would be a good thing even if the show to everyone watching he isn't very good or he is poor at it.

To go off on a tangent I actually think his project with Amy could be the answer to his career woes, but they have the jealousy storyline going on and no mention of their project recently. Unless maybe they want Sheldon to get to a certain point in regards to how he views the other sciences and the success of his fiancee before they start working on it again?

Though It's perfectly plausible we as fans made a bigger deal of their science project than the actual writers and it will be just used as a storyline for gags every now and then and we ultimately will get no real progress on this.

But if I was a writer I would conclude this jealousy thing to a point, get them back working on their project both valuing each other's accomplishments skills and achievements and then maybe to top it off actually have their work get some praise from the science community for some kind of breakthrough or award etc and they both handle that praise equally. Making Sheldon realize that the other sciences aren't dumb and it would be a homage to what the Psychic said:

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Psychic: He should give himself to this relationship. Once he does, all his other pursuits will come into focus.
Penny: Sheldon, you hear that? Amy is the key to your happiness.
Psychic: Exactly. Personally and professionally. Everything will fall into place once you commit to her.

Hell I would think it would be hilarious if Sheldon actually remembered what the Psychic said, it came true and it makes him ponder it all. With Penny looking smug as hell considering her stance on psychics and fortunetellers lol.

But I am not a writer and that's probably a good thing lol! :)

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14 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

They don't show the Sperm Bank visit?

How about the "Today we tried masturbating for money" line?

TBS has not shown the sperm bank opening in several years. The episode opens with Leonard and Sheldon walking up the stairs and encountering Penny in the doorway of 4B. I don't remember if the 'masturbating for money' line is still in there. I'll have to pay attention the next time the episode airs.

Another (local) channel that shows TBBT also airs the edited, non sperm bank, version.

There are aspects to other shows airing on TBS that far exceed any objectionable content in the sperm bank scene, so I don't know why they have edited it out. Maybe for time.

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On 9/20/2017 at 4:37 PM, Kev0821 said:

With last night's taping, only 39 more, unless it's renewed beyond the current deals. It makes you wonder if they're slowly gearing up for the end. First, Kaley made a comment in a recent article speculating season 12 would be the last, and now Johnny alluded to that in his write-up on Instagram.

I hope so! I thought it was running out of steam last season. I don't want them to run it into the ground.

9 hours ago, Chiany said:

In the first episodes where Amy was, they implied she might be Bisexual, but that was just them trying out if the audience would go for it. I don't think they actually wanted her to end up with a woman, since she was created for Sheldon by the writers.

I also saw where they said at one of the Paleyfests that they were just playing at the idea that since Amy had never had friends she was doing all that elementary school BFF stuff that girls sometimes do, which meant to them a sort of crush and jealousy. I didn't like it but I understood it. I didn't remember when it was though. Glad someone found it.

Just realized how messed up the thread got. My notifications are all out of order. Thanks for fixing it, wonderful people.

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5 hours ago, bfm said:

We don't know the end result of these discussions, it could be that they talked about bringing one and "we'll see..."

True. good point. More seems to be decided off-screen than on-screen sometimes. When Bernie finally told Howie about her misgivings concerning taking Halley to the university nursery, he suggested they change the arrangements if they didn't work out. All the discussions about those arragements for childcare and deciding to apply to the Caltech nursery took place before we even heard it mentioned. 

It's not just them. There must have been a lot of planning going on before Ramona suddenly appeared at Sheldon's side in the canteen. Then there was Raj negotiating with Bert about renting his garage flatlet and  there was Penny getting her rewards from work. Often we just see or hear the results. We've never seen anybody gossiping about Shamy the shining couple of Caltech, we're only told it goes on.

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 OK, everything should be done, as far as splitting out the discussion thread from the Kaley thread.   I'm going to go back and check to make sure I have moved all the posts, but the Kaley Cuoco, Season 11 Discussion threads are now open.   Some may still get notifications, as posts have been moved, but they should now be in the right places.  If you notice something not in the right place, please PM me.  

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7 hours ago, HeWolf said:

There are aspects to other shows airing on TBS that far exceed any objectionable content in the sperm bank scene

Also, I'd say there are far more objectionable scenes/comments on TBBT, than the sperm bank scene.

Just of the top of my head, there's many references to Howard masturbating, such as the Robotic arm, his sharing a bath and a bed with a mental image of Katee Sackhoff, not to mention this line from The Vengeance Formulation:-

 I’m never going to find another girl like you, who likes me and is, you know, real.

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