[Spoilers] Season 11 Discussion Thread

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

5 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

Uh, born in time to remember watching Laugh-in, kid.

And  there is more competition now with cable, etc.   Few folks watched ALL of those shows.  There was time and room for something like TBBT.  And, as is the case today, just because those shows were successful doesn't mean they were good.  Folks are still watching MTM, but not Three's Company.

Lot of people still watch Three's Company. It actually was more popular in Syndication then Mary Tyler Moore Show! and it original broadcast The Complete Seasons  on DVD of TC sold like Hotcakes over a period of only a Few years, unlike TMTMS which took years to get all seasons out on DVDs. 

Not to say Mary Tyler Moore was not popular but There's Company was more instant hit form get so and has done better overall in Syndication and with DVD Sales.  More people prefer Mary Tyler Moore as Laura Petrie but many people still do love Mary Richards. 

Edited October 13, 2017 by MTBigBangTheoryFan

[April]

31 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

TBBT was not critically acclaimed din it first season If I not mistaken. And ratings fell over the course of season 10. 

TBBT was never a massively acclaimed show. At most it got a few nominations here or there and JP had his series of wins but that's about it.  Critically the show has always been kinda mediocre comfort food. YMMV, obviously.

31 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

The only Critically  Acclaimed shows in recent years have been on Netflix, Hulu, Amazon and other Online sites like that who now doing original programming which is sad quite frankly.

The distribution method doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of acclaimed shows out there - and they are also coming from cable and broadcast cause the beginning of the current age is set long before Netflix and co started producing their own shows.

31 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Millenials would rather watch the Kardashians. That how bad tV has gotten 

Bullshit. Millenials are a very diverse group and the ratings for the Kardashians are abysmal. There's a lot of talk about them in tabloids and such but barely anyone is watching this.

[joyceraye]

2 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

His sister used to kick him in the balls?

She twizzled them round.

[Capt. Hilts]

12 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Lot of people still watch Three's Company. It actually was more popular in Syndication then Mary Tyler Moore Show! and it original broadcast The Complete Seasons  on DVD of TC sold like Hotcakes over a period of only a Few years, unlike TMTMS which took years to get all seasons out on DVDs. 

Not to say Mary Tyler Moore was not popular but There's Company was more instant hit form get so and has done better overall in Syndication and with DVD Sales.  More people prefer Mary Tyler Moore as Laura Petrie but many people still do love Mary Richards. 

Because MTM held onto their product more tightly doesn't mean anything.

The Beatles were the LAST major performer to appear on CD.  So what?

Over and out.

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

20 minutes ago, April said:

TBBT was never a massively acclaimed show. At most it got a few nominations here or there and JP had his series of wins but that's about it.  Critically the show has always been kinda mediocre comfort food. YMMV, obviously.

The distribution method doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of acclaimed shows out there - and they are also coming from cable and broadcast cause the beginning of the current age is set long before Netflix and co started producing their own shows.

Bullshit. Millenials are a very diverse group and the ratings for the Kardashians are abysmal. There's a lot of talk about them in tabloids and such but barely anyone is watching this.

 

You are right when it comes to awards it wasn't. I was talking about when it first came on the air and how well it was received and what critics wrote about it at the time and it ratings in its first season. You actually explained TBBT very well in calling it Comfort Food at best. That really what it is.

 

While the show has declined over the last few seasons I will say Season 11 is still better than anything on today.  It should have ended in Season 7. Like other people on here and in other places like Facebook and Twitter I to have become wary of TBBT becoming The Sheldon show. That is why the ratings dropped the last Two Seasons and will continue to because people are tired of every episode being about Sheldon or him having the  Main Plot.  People are becoming dissatisfied with the show and it becoming or has become all about  Sheldon. there are 6 other Characters.  Lenny is now treated more like supporting Characters then Sheldon equal. I now see why others have been complaining and they are not really too far off. It is not a one-man show and should not center on Sheldon all the time 

 

In some ways, I think the blame goes on the cast. 

Edited October 13, 2017 by MTBigBangTheoryFan

[Stephen Hawking]

14 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

It should have ended in Season 7.

Then we wouldn't have had Opening Night Excitation.  

We wouldn't have even had Prom Equivalency.  

Edited October 13, 2017 by Stephen Hawking

[Chrismo]

4 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Then we wouldn't have had Opening Night Excitation.  

We wouldn't have even had Prom Equivalency.  

And we wouldn't have all the crappy ones which IMO are more than 2.

[legacy99]

Then we wouldn't have had Opening Night Excitation.  
We wouldn't have even had Prom Equivalency.  

I could live with that

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[Chrismo]

2 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

I could live with that

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I also could live without imagining the Shamy coitus and Lenny not kissing on the roof.

[April]

4 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

While the show has declined over the last few seasons I will say Season 11 is still better than anything on today. 

I find such generalisations a bit too much of a hyperbole. Personally I watched a couple shows this year I found a lot better than TBBT in terms of writing and even acting. I don't know about "sitcoms on broadcast telly" if you want to get more specific cause I just don't watch those (there are a few on my to-watch list but I've never gotten around to it. whoops). I have an easy time believing that the rest of CBS' comedy line-up is rubbish -  though even there some people would probably fight me to defend "Mom" as the only good Lorre sitcom on air.

4 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

It should have ended in Season 7. Like other people on here and in other places like Facebook and Twitter I to have become wary of TBBT becoming The Sheldon show. That is why the ratings dropped the last Two Seasons and will continue to because people are tired of every episode being about Sheldon or him having the  Main Plot.  People are becoming dissatisfied with the show and it becoming or has become all about  Sheldon. there are 6 other Characters.  Lenny is now treated more like supporting Characters then Sheldon equal. I now see why others have been complaining and they are not really too far off. It is not a one-man show and should not center on Sheldon all the time 

Nah, ratings drop for a lot of reasons. Sure,  you always have people who get bored with a long running show but there's no telling if writing it in a different way would have prevented the audience drops cause as Tensor explained many times ratings are dropping all across the board and TBBT is well within the margins.

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

1 minute ago, April said:

I find such generalisations a bit too much of a hyperbole. Personally I watched a couple shows this year I found a lot better than TBBT in terms of writing and even acting. I don't know about "sitcoms on broadcast telly" if you want to get more specific cause I just don't watch those (there are a few on my to-watch list but I've never gotten around to it. whoops). I have an easy time believing that the rest of CBS' comedy line-up is rubbish -  though even there some people would probably fight me to defend "Mom" as the only good Lorre sitcom on air.

Nah, ratings drop for a lot of reasons. Sure,  you always have people who get bored with a long running show but there's no telling if writing it in a different way would have prevented the audience drops cause as Tensor explained many times ratings are dropping all across the board and TBBT is well within the margins.

You right. Ratings for every show has dropped last couple year. The whole TV Viewing Audience has dropped as a whole for many different reasons so it is not just TBBT.  But I talking just TBBT here not TV as a whole. 

[Chrismo]

7 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

You right. Ratings for every show has dropped last couple year. The whole TV Viewing Audience has dropped as a whole for many different reasons so it is not just TBBT.  But I talking just TBBT here not TV as a whole. 

Agreed. Why other shows are dropping mean nothing on this thread. Two football teams could have the same losing record for totally different reasons. I'm concerned about my team (TBBT). I could care less about the other team

Edited October 13, 2017 by Chrismo

[April]

Just now, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

You right. Ratings for every show has dropped last couple year. The whole TV Viewing Audience has dropped as a whole for many different reasons so it is not just TBBT.  But I talking just TBBT here not TV as a whole. 

There's always context to ratings though because that's their purpose and there are specific parameters as to how they're conducted. Trying to pin down the exact reason to a few people complaining on social media when there's a bigger picture to consider is speculation at best. To get a concrete answer as to why TBBT's numbers dropped you'd have to ask those Nielson families and most likely you'd get mixed answers that go beyond "it's the Sheldon show".

[vonmar]

This "TBBT ratings are dropping" claim will not hold much water for me until the show begins to drop in the rankings and that ain't happening yet.

For calendar year 2016 it was the #1 regularly scheduled show in the country, with an average of almost 20 million watching (live +7).

http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/news/2016/tops-of-2016-tv.html

[Stephen Hawking]

49 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I also could live without imagining the Shamy coitus

But you're OK imagining Lenny, Howardette, and even Raj-(insert partner of choice) coitus?

51 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

and Lenny not kissing on the roof.

Lenny did kiss on the roof.

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

3 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

But you're OK imagining Lenny, Howardette, and even Raj-(insert partner of choice) coitus?

Lenny did kiss on the roof.

Well, Lenny and Howardette having Coitus is not as creepy or as uncomfortable 

7 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

But you're OK imagining Lenny, Howardette, and even Raj-(insert partner of choice) coitus?

Lenny did kiss on the roof.

No they didn't 

[legacy99]

No they didn't 

I agree with you 100%

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[Carlos]

3 hours ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

For once I actually agree with you on something. even the first season of this Show would not have made it on the Air in the 1970s, 1980s and even the 1990s. This show would never made it on the air back then at all. Even if it did it would not have lasted more then 1 season maybe 2 but it would have been shortlived. the  1970s and 1980s were a  very different time. TV was different and viewing Audience was different. The people who watch TBBT  a lot of them were born in the 1980s and 1990s.  

This is a Show that came on at the right time.  2007 was in an era of bad Television which kind of started in 1999 when shows of less quality and bad writing were starting to be made. Actually, most would agree that we are still in an Era of bad television.  TBBT was the best show in an Era of bad TV which why it's done so well and been so Popular. 

Most f the writers (with exception of Chuck Lorre) would not have had a Job on TV In the 1970s and 1980s. Most of the writers in those days were of a  much higher standard then they are now. In the 1980s and 1990s TV was still watchable and sitcoms were actually Funny overall.  TV was of a much higher quality then. Most TV SHows on the Air today would not have made it on the Air 20-40 years ago and more 

No, most would NOT agree. I actually don't agree with anything you say in your post.

3 hours ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

It only called new Golden Age because of technology and other advancements in last 15 years or so in the way we can now stream TV Shows on out Computers, HD, etc,/  but most shows since 2000 have been  trash

Really? Says who? You? I don't think so. I completely disagree.

[luminous]

 

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

17 minutes ago, Carlos said:

No, most would NOT agree. I actually don't agree with anything you say in your post.

Really? Says who? You? I don't think so. I completely disagree.

I didn't say every show on TV now is bad (There are still some decent shows out there) but overall the current era of TV Shows on TV right now as a whole is not good when compared to 20 years ago.  The Era of 1979-1984 is considered an era of bad Television with not a lot of new good shows.  It a normal phase tV goes through every once In a while though this one has lasted longer and a lot of people do agree with me. 

 

I am talking about new shows, that have on the air over last 7 or 8 years/ And TBBT would not have lasted if it came on 30 years ago. It may not have even been pick up 

I just notice Chrismo said kind of the same thing I said and you like his post so you obviously agree to some extent. 

Edited October 13, 2017 by MTBigBangTheoryFan

[Stephen Hawking]

37 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Well, Lenny and Howardette having Coitus is not as creepy or as uncomfortable 

Why?

[spidergirl]

23 minutes ago, luminous said:

 

These guys are so awesome! It 's great to feel the good vibes from them as a team ❤

Edited October 13, 2017 by spidergirl

[3ku11]

IMO in terms of comedy were in a bad era of TV. I haven't seen a great comedy since 2007 tbh. TBBT is still the #1 scripted show on TV. But it did drop a million in viewership from Season 9 to Season Ten. OF course 15-18 million an episode, is a viewership most shows would kill more. But if it keeps dropping a million a season. And if it is around 13 million in viewership by Season 12. Well the show in terms of extending to a 13th season. Have to consider, is worth producing anymore. Because it may become too expensive to produce. Especially if their is no profit to be made out of the show anymore. Because let's be honest the quality of this series, has been steadily declining since Season 7. Creatively the show is done. The only reason its had an extended shelf life so to speak since 2012. Is how well it performs in ratings. I mean if it was based on Quality this show would of been cancelled over 5 years ago. I personally think the show should of been done 3 seasons ago. 

As for Sheldon focused stories. Well since Season 8 it has kinda become "Sheldon Cooper's adventures and his Friends". You cannot deny the show is revolved around Sheldon, has been for three odd seasons now. Going on Social Media e.t.c. Their does seem some dissastification with the current writing of the show. Alot of comments like "The guys have grown up too much".

 Obviousley the quality of the writing has been steadily declining every season now. Personally I noticed this, or you could say repeated cannon. 6x24 The Bon Voyage Reaction. When Leonard went on that Hawking Expedition. And Penny and Sheldon went shopping. It was basically a copy and past from Season One. Around episode Four of the series. When Penny and Sheldon went shopping. Even with Leonard and Penny, they utilized repeated cannon alot. Repeating past episodes. Like Recombination Hypothesis, and The Guitar Amplification e.t.c. The writing of Lenny was abysmal at times last season.

 Difference is the execution is poor. Even the new ideas they bring into the show is poorly executed. First Six Seasons the comedy was actually original, and jokes in Season 6 were really funny. Since Season 8 alot of them have been incongrous jokes, nonsensical plot lines e.t.c. But like I Said they continue to perform well in the ratings, well they have no real incentive to change the format. 

 

10 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Why?

Well Shamy is an awkward couple lol. So I can see the point of view them having sex, is creepy. 

Edited October 13, 2017 by 3ku11

[Capt. Hilts]

1 hour ago, vonmar said:

This "TBBT ratings are dropping" claim will not hold much water for me until the show begins to drop in the rankings and that ain't happening yet.

For calendar year 2016 it was the #1 regularly scheduled show in the country, with an average of almost 20 million watching (live +7).

http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/news/2016/tops-of-2016-tv.html

And TBBT competes with itself it's so widely and frequently syndicated.  So, you don't need to watch the new one to get your fix. 

It's only recently I started making an effort to watch it live.

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

17 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

IMO in terms of comedy were in a bad era of TV. I haven't seen a great comedy since 2007 tbh. TBBT is still the #1 scripted show on TV. But it did drop a million in viewership from Season 9 to Season Ten. OF course 15-18 million an episode, is a viewership most shows would kill more. But if it keeps dropping a million a season. And if it is around 13 million in viewership by Season 12. Well the show in terms of extending to a 13th season. Have to consider, is worth producing anymore. Because it may become too expensive to produce anymore. Especially if their is profit to be made out of the show. Because let's be honest the quality of this series, has been steadily declining since Season 7. Creatively the show is done. The only reason its been had an extended shelf life so to speak since 2012. Is how well it performs in ratings. I mean if it was based on Quality this show would have been cancelled over 5 years ago. 

As for Sheldon focused stories. Well since Season 8 it has kinda become "Sheldon Cooper's adventures and his Friends". You cannot deny the show is revolved around Sheldon, has been for three odd seasons now. Going on Social Media e.t.c. Their does seem some dissastification with the current writing of the show. Obviousley the quality of the writing has been steadily declining every season now. Personally I noticed this, or you could say repeated cannon. 6x24 The Bon Voyage Reaction. When Leonard went on that Hawking Expedition. And Penny and Sheldon went shopping. It was basically a copy and past from Season One. Around episode Four of the series. When Penny and Sheldon went shopping. Even with Leonard and Penny, they utilized repeated cannon a lot. Repeating past episodes. Like Recombination Hypothesis, and The Guitar Amplification e.t.c. The writing of Lenny was abysmal at times last season.

 Difference is the execution is poor. Even the new ideas they bring into the show is poorly executed. First Six Seasons the comedy was actually original, and jokes in Season 6 were really funny. Since Season 8 alot of them have been incongrous jokes, nonsensical plot lines e.t.c. But like I Said they continue to perform well in the ratings, well they have no real incentive to change the format. 

 

Well Shamy is an awkward couple lol. So I can see the point of view them having sex, is creepy. 

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I agree with your post. It is the last good quality new Sitcom. Obviously, you can't expect a show to stay good for 11 seasons,  (Cheers is a show that comes to mind who got better d every year and was still a great show when it ended. It was still top quality show in it 11th season something that hard t do! Seinfeld was also still great Show in it last Season) and as you said it has declined over last few seasons but still better than anything else on today. though I do think the decline has to do with other things as well beside it becoming the Sheldon show. which you make some good points with explaining that decline. Yes, it still Numbers 1 sitcom but it not getting the 20 Million Viewers it said a few years ago. It is not the same show it was in season 6 and 7 and many people have taken notice of that 

Edited October 13, 2017 by MTBigBangTheoryFan