[Spoilers] Season 11 Discussion Thread

[Carlos]

10 hours ago, April said:

Not since he moved out. Heck, it's even debatable he did the 1 or 2 years before that - it's not like Lenny had much of a "life" on screen, hence why you guys have been so miserable about your ship for years.

It is actually not debatable how much Sheldon intruded in Lenny's life. And FYI we've been complaining about our ship mainly after S7. Heck, he even interrupted both of Lenny's weddings, so I really don't know what the hell you're talking about saying it's debatable.

6 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Because violence is the correct response, to someone you don't agree with.

No it isn't, but being a total dick is not the answer either, no matter how "right" you may be.

[3ku11]

5 hours ago, djsurrey said:

It is quality that is subjective. 

No not exactly. Ratings are subjective, they don't equal quality. Quality is subjective too. But that is not what i meant. People seem to think because this show consistently has strong ratings. The show must be producing quality, well it is not. 

As for Sheldon. Yeah I agree with Carlos. Not sure how it is debatable. Like said he interrupted Lenny's wedding twice. In Season 8 and 10. That is the past three seasons. It is not exactly debatable is it. Most of the complaints about Lenny have existed since Season 7. So it is hardly just the past 1 or 2 seasons. In regards to Lenny onscreen life. 

Edited October 15, 2017 by 3ku11

[djsurrey]

7 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Just because TBBT does well in demo and viewership. Does not mean it is up their quality wise currently.

A sitcom is just entertainment fast food.

Ultimately the public vote with their feet (or remotes).

Edited October 15, 2017 by djsurrey

[Nogravitasatall]

13 hours ago, April said:

So you don't even know what happened in the season but somehow think they have Sheldon barging into 4A or clinging to the place or whatever? Spoiler for you then: He doesn't. Like, really. He's mostly only in 4A when it's a social gathering of some sorts with the gang, then maybe one or two times outside of that, like that one time he's on meds and they find him on the couch. But even then it's not like Lenny had a plot there that he interrupted.

The thing is: Sheldon doesn't need Lenny to get stories or laughs or attention. The other way around though... well...

As long as they keep using the set Leonard and Penny will be be  bumped around by Sheldon. The thing is that a large part of the audience has a preference for Sheldon so he headlines. As to the presence of or not of the others - I’d mark that down to not rocking the boat and upsetting the formula. It’s not art or novel storytelling anymore - it’s about commerce. They have good contracts and good cashflow - but nothing new or interesting to tell in the way of stories. Good on ‘em for being successful - but unless you are engaged the stories are unremarkable and if you are engaged then it doesn’t matter what they put up on screen. And with regard to where they go further with  Leonard and Penny; there is no incentive to promote them unless Sheldon’s wheels fall off and even then not  -  they have plan B, wherein they literally rejuvenate the character and start over. It’s brilliant commercial exploitation of a concept (unless Young Sheldon flops in which case good try and try again with something else).

But don’t expect anything great for L/P on a consistent basis. TPTB don’t need that. They just need supporting players for the headliner, regardless of any intrinsic worthiness or not of any of the other characters.

Edited October 15, 2017 by Nogravitasatall

[April]

8 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

As long as they keep using the set Leonard and Penny will be be  bumped around by Sheldon. 

The point is though they don't use 4A for that one specific purpose. They have group hangouts there and the occasional other plot (PALS, Lenny +Howardette,  Lenny +Raj) but it's not the "Sheldon intrudes into Lenny's privacy" zone.

Honestly, before they went with the idea of Shamy moving into 4B I also thought that whoever gets 4A will have to deal with intruders all the time cause they didn't use 4B all that much. The last few seasons with Penny living more in 4A than 4B the set was mostly gathering dust. Turns out though once Shamy moved into 4B it's used more than ever. Judging by all the plots since the move it probably has the same or if not more screen time than the 4A set.

[Tensor]

13 minutes ago, April said:

 Judging by all the plots since the move it probably has the same or if not more screen time than the 4A set.

 

Challenge accepted. 

[JE7]

 

14 hours ago, April said:

They seem to be able to keep him front and centre without intruding on Lenny just fine. lol

 

14 hours ago, April said:

Not since he moved out. Heck, it's even debatable he did the 1 or 2 years before that - it's not like Lenny had much of a "life" on screen, hence why you guys have been so miserable about your ship for years.

 

13 hours ago, April said:

Liking or not liking Shamy has nothing to do with how often Sheldon actually shows up in 4A. LOL

 

Edited October 15, 2017 by JE7

[Nogravitasatall]

31 minutes ago, April said:

The point is though they don't use 4A for that one specific purpose. They have group hangouts there and the occasional other plot (PALS, Lenny +Howardette,  Lenny +Raj) but it's not the "Sheldon intrudes into Lenny's privacy" zone.

Honestly, before they went with the idea of Shamy moving into 4B I also thought that whoever gets 4A will have to deal with intruders all the time cause they didn't use 4B all that much. The last few seasons with Penny living more in 4A than 4B the set was mostly gathering dust. Turns out though once Shamy moved into 4B it's used more than ever. Judging by all the plots since the move it probably has the same or if not more screen time than the 4A set.

Hey, anytime a character is on screen with Sheldon they are bumping against him. It is the  premise now... plus some minor stuff about other people trying to have adult lives apart from when they are bumping against Sheldon. And P/L live on the same floor and host the socials. So more bumping. It’s how they get the laughs, mostly. Someone does something, Sheldon objects or corrects - crowd goes wild!

Formula.

(waiting now for Stephen to say something about Amy and Sheldon bumping... heheh)

Edited October 15, 2017 by Nogravitasatall

[djsurrey]

44 minutes ago, JE7 said:

 

 

 

 

 

Those guys could bring out the worst in people...

 

Edited October 15, 2017 by djsurrey

[April]

34 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Challenge accepted. 

I was hoping you'd say that!  LOL

21 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

Hey, anytime a character is on screen with Sheldon they are bumping against him. It is the  premise now... plus some minor stuff about other people trying to have adult lives apart from when they are bumping against Sheldon. And P/L live on the same floor and host the socials. So more bumping. It’s how they get the laughs, mostly. Someone does something, Sheldon objects or corrects - crowd goes wild!

Formula.

(waiting now for Stephen to say something about Amy and Sheldon bumping... heheh)

Well, I guess if Tensor is really really bored he could check how often/long Sheldon is actually in 4A vs. everybody else.

[Swedish Chef]

2 hours ago, April said:

The point is though they don't use 4A for that one specific purpose. They have group hangouts there and the occasional other plot (PALS, Lenny +Howardette,  Lenny +Raj) but it's not the "Sheldon intrudes into Lenny's privacy" zone.

Honestly, before they went with the idea of Shamy moving into 4B I also thought that whoever gets 4A will have to deal with intruders all the time cause they didn't use 4B all that much. The last few seasons with Penny living more in 4A than 4B the set was mostly gathering dust. Turns out though once Shamy moved into 4B it's used more than ever. Judging by all the plots since the move it probably has the same or if not more screen time than the 4A set.

Does this really comes as a surprise, when you look at how the show has been written these days with many Shamy driven A plots. I'm guessing that having Lenny in 4A and Shamy in 4B is just so that they use all of the main set, having Lenny in 4B would sadly just caused that set to gathering dust. 

Edited October 15, 2017 by Lagernisse

[April]

20 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

Does this really comes as a surprise, when you look at how the show has been written these days with many Shamy driven A plots. 

Not to me but apparently to others who don't watch the show and think Sheldon is still hanging out in 4A all the time.

27 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

I'm guessing that having Lenny in 4A and Shamy in 4B is just so that they use all of the main set, having Lenny in 4B would sadly just caused that set to gathering dust. 

Yes, I think in hindsight it's a good move to use the sets more equally.

[Carey]

7 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

No not exactly. Ratings are subjective, they don't equal quality. Quality is subjective too. But that is not what i meant. People seem to think because this show consistently has strong ratings. The show must be producing quality, well it is not. 

As for Sheldon. Yeah I agree with Carlos. Not sure how it is debatable. Like said he interrupted Lenny's wedding twice. In Season 8 and 10. That is the past three seasons. It is not exactly debatable is it. Most of the complaints about Lenny have existed since Season 7. So it is hardly just the past 1 or 2 seasons. In regards to Lenny onscreen life. 

How are ratings subjective? They are collected and measured in numbers but not influenced by personal bias or opinion. 

 

 

Edited October 15, 2017 by Carey

[JE7]

32 minutes ago, Carey said:

How are ratings subjective? They are collected and measured in numbers but not influenced by personal bias or opinion. 

 

 

There you go bringing "facts" and "logic" into it. 

Edited October 15, 2017 by JE7

[Tensor]

7 hours ago, April said:

I was hoping you'd say that!  LOL

Heheheheh, it may be a couple of weeks.    I'll send you a PM shortly.     How about something like  total Time 4A is seen and total time 4B is seen.   Time ASS and PLL are in 4A and time ASS and PLL are in 4B.    

7 hours ago, April said:

Well, I guess if Tensor is really really bored he could check how often/long Sheldon is actually in 4A vs. everybody else.

Yeah, I was also going to look at how much Sheldon interferes in Lenny life.  My first thought would be anytime Sheldon causes consternation (something like "The First Pitch Insufficiency"  in their lives as Lenny.  I realize it's probably subjective, but I'll list exactly what I mean by interference.   I didn't hear any complaints about the way I divided up time, which was also subjective, so even with being a Lenny, I think I can objective enough.  I'll come up with more on this later.  Again, see the PM, I'll be sending shortly.  

[April]

1 minute ago, Tensor said:

Heheheheh, it may be a couple of weeks.    I'll send you a PM shortly.     How about something like  total Time 4A is seen and total time 4B is seen.   Time ASS and PLL are in 4A and time ASS and PLL are in 4B.    

Yeah, I was also going to look at how much Sheldon interferes in Lenny life.  My first thought would be anytime Sheldon causes consternation (something like "The First Pitch Insufficiency"  in their lives as Lenny.  I realize it's probably subjective, but I'll list exactly what I mean by interference.   I didn't hear any complaints about the way I divided up time, which was also subjective, so even with being a Lenny, I think I can objective enough.  I'll come up with more on this later.  Again, see the PM, I'll be sending shortly.  

I'll be looking forward to your pm then!

What would be most interesting to me for the sake of the argument here would be:

- Total screen time in 4A vs 4B

- Who is in those scenes? (Lenny, Shamy, or any other combination of characters?)

- Bonus question: Is Sheldon actually interrupting/interfering with an ongoing Lenny plot? (This is surely the most subjective so we'd need to define what constitutes as an "interruption/interference" and an "ongoing plot".)

 

[Chrismo]

1 hour ago, April said:

 

- Bonus question: Is Sheldon actually interrupting/interfering with an ongoing Lenny plot? (This is surely the most subjective so we'd need to define what constitutes as an "interruption/interference" and an "ongoing plot".)

 

When's the last time there has been an ongoing Lenny plot?

[Stephen Hawking]

7 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

When's the last time there has been an ongoing Lenny plot?

Isn't their marriage an ongoing Lenny plot?

[bfm]

18 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Isn't their marriage an ongoing Lenny plot?

That's like saying their being is an ongoing plot 

[April]

30 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

When's the last time there has been an ongoing Lenny plot?

Tomorrow. lol

Penny bonding with Beverly actually is an ongoing plot continued from 9x23-10x01.

[legacy99]

Tomorrow. lol
Penny bonding with Beverly actually is an ongoing plot continued from 9x23-10x01.

I kind of hard for me to consider that a on going storyline when there's a year between the episodes about it

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[April]

2 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

I kind of hard for me to consider that a on going storyline when there's a year between the episodes about it
 

See, that's why you have to agree on a definition if you want to quantify these things more objectively.

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

1 hour ago, Chrismo said:

When's the last time there has been an ongoing Lenny plot?

The Engagement could have been but they didn't have a Real Engagement.  Where were all the Plotlines centered around that? Howard and Bernadette had more Stories about their Engagement.  

Edited October 15, 2017 by MTBigBangTheoryFan

[Chrismo]

29 minutes ago, April said:

Tomorrow. lol

Penny bonding with Beverly actually is an ongoing plot continued from 9x23-10x01.

I would argue that's not a Lenny plot.

[April]

12 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I would argue that's not a Lenny plot.

It's a plot about Leonard and Penny dealing with one of their family members. That's enough for me to count. /shrugs