joyceraye Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 38 minutes ago, April said: Tomorrow. lol Penny bonding with Beverly actually is an ongoing plot continued from 9x23-10x01. Seems to me Beverly and Penny her homegirl bonded from the beginning. I loved their drinking session. 3 1 1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 15 hours ago, Carey said: How are ratings subjective? They are collected and measured in numbers but not influenced by personal bias or opinion. Every time I mentioned the show ratings are down I hear either: a. The show is in its 11th season and that unheard of a show b. The ratings for other shows are down. i think my comment is equally subjective if not more. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 17 minutes ago, joyceraye said: Seems to me Beverly and Penny her homegirl bonded from the beginning. I loved their drinking session. Penny might have thought so but Beverly was never going to be so easy. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, Chrismo said: Every time I mentioned the show ratings are down I hear either: a. The show is in its 11th season and that unheard of a show b. The ratings for other shows are down. i think my comment is equally subjective if not more. Under the assumption that you have made the statement saying " the ratings are down" is in regards to previous seasons, I think that is objective and the numbers are available for anyone to look at. If they hold the same, better or similar percentage based on current viewership then the argument could be made they are down, unchanged or better than previous seasons. That is also objectve data available for review. If the statement is they have less viewers because the quality is changed then (IMO) that is subjective and based on personal preference, opinion or bias. Lastly, if there is any objective way to evaluate quality it would be the ratings. (IMO) Most people do not waste their precious spare time participating in activities, marketed for entertainment, they find boring or in this case poor quality. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 Bottom line is "quality" could mean so many different things it is almost devoid of any real meaning when used in the context of this forum. Kind of subjective squared I'd say. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ku11 Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Carey said: Under the assumption that you have made the statement saying " the ratings are down" is in regards to previous seasons, I think that is objective and the numbers are available for anyone to look at. If they hold the same, better or similar percentage based on current viewership then the argument could be made they are down, unchanged or better than previous seasons. That is also objectve data available for review. If the statement is they have less viewers because the quality is changed then (IMO) that is subjective and based on personal preference, opinion or bias. Lastly, if there is any objective way to evaluate quality it would be the ratings. (IMO) Most people do not waste their precious spare time participating in activities, marketed for entertainment, they find boring or in this case poor quality. No ratings is not a determining factor when evalating quality. My point was Ratings are subjective. Because they don't = Quality. Ratings like you said are measured by figures over time. But Quality is also subjective, I diddn't say that, but I agree with that. Ratings are subjective imo, because they can vary. They don't mean the TV show has quality. Their are various factors to why TBBT consistently get's higher ratings. Doesen't mean as far as quality goes its a top ten show these days. Their are tons of shows on TV that don't get ratings but produce great quality. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 You will never get a consensus here what that word quality actually means in this context. Debate is pointless 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, April said: It's a plot about Leonard and Penny dealing with one of their family members. That's enough for me to count. /shrugs That’s totally fine for you, because L/P are not your primary concern. Or the show’s. The show leads with its material that is most popular with its audience. So they get given more of Sheldon. Makes sense to me. Like sugar in coke - or supersized MacDonalds. It’s not necessarily that it’s the best thing, but it works for maintaining the level of consumption. That’s the goal. I’m not sure that one can make an argument that L/P are getting equal service in the narratives. They may be getting the service the majority of the audience feels they deserve. If the results were otherwise TPTB would write differently. People have preferences. /shrug. Edited October 15, 2017 by Nogravitasatall 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Hilts Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 22 minutes ago, Jonny said: Coming from the UK I get why people keeping watching shows for sentimental reasons and sticking through them even if they decline, it happens all the time with UK tv. But its never been an impression I have took from the US TV market, I don't think there is that same mindset with US viewers and that if a show really does drop in quality they will ditch it. But I could be wrong, this is just the impression I have of US tv viewers and their viewing habits and speaking from someone who has had countless shows they have enjoyed cancelled because of the ratings in the US. The ratings don't lie IMO, they show that the series is still popular and still beats its competitors. If you want to have an argument about quality the ratings would indicate to me that you have a stronger case suggesting that the quality is still high than saying the quality has gone downhill. So, Corrie isn't as good since the death of Ena Sharples and Minnie Caldwell? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 Just now, Capt. Hilts said: So, Corrie isn't as good since the death of Ena Sharples and Minnie Caldwell? lol I haven't watched Corrie and Eastenders since probably 2002. Gave up on Emmerdale in 2015. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucky Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 Tonstar17 You said it so eloquently ! I am in total agreement with your fine words. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 30 minutes ago, Jonny said: Coming from the UK I get why people keeping watching shows for sentimental reasons and sticking through them even if they decline, it happens all the time with UK tv. But its never been an impression I have took from the US TV market, I don't think there is that same mindset with US viewers and that if a show really does drop in quality they will ditch it. But I could be wrong, this is just the impression I have of US tv viewers and their viewing habits and speaking from someone who has had countless shows they have enjoyed cancelled because of the ratings in the US. The ratings don't lie IMO, they show that the series is still popular and still beats its competitors. If you want to have an argument about quality the ratings would indicate to me that you have a stronger case suggesting that the quality is still high than saying the quality has gone downhill. We don’t know enough about the constituents of the audience to say that the current product captures the exact same individuals. But it’s likely that substitution rates keep the numbers up. Lose a L/P fancier, gain one (or two?) Shamy. I don’t know and we don’t have that data. But the wide appeal is still there. How much habituation matters I don’t know. The show generally is pretty benign (except for all the dictator-y stuff if you are sensitive to that). I feel that, for me, they dropped the L/P ball. In my mind those two hooked me. They aren’t exchangeable for Shamy. But for others Shamy are preferable. And given that Sheldon (even in his tyranny) is more child friendly than a sexually active Leonard and a challenging Penny, I’d guess that they have picked up more households with kids. Speculation of course. So not a quality issue. A consumer issue. 5 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacy99 Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 Well we probably won't hear wait till the second half of the season for a lenny storySent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 . Please keep comments about the show, not other posters or their comments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 12 minutes ago, Tensor said: . Please keep comments about the show, not other posters or their comments. So comments.... Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said: So comments.... Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk Did you report them? We don't see everything. Report them, and I'll look at them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacy99 Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 If you think about it the humour the ?fans like so much usually comes from sheldons interaction with lenny i believe if lenny wasnt there the fans wouldn't have anything to laugh at Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonmar Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, legacy99 said: If you think about it the humour the sheldon fans like so much usually comes from sheldons interaction with lenny i believe if lenny wasnt there the sheldon fans wouldn't have anything to laugh at Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk Sheldon's interactions with the rest of the cast, recurring characters and guest stars aren't funny??? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacy99 Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 Sheldon's interactions with the rest of the cast, recurring characters and guest stars aren't funny???I didn't say that but most have been with lenny i takes more than one person to carry the showSent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonmar Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 11 minutes ago, legacy99 said: I didn't say that but most have been with lenny i takes more than one person to carry the show Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk Ummm...you did... 28 minutes ago, legacy99 said: i believe if lenny wasnt there the fans wouldn't have anything to laugh at Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacy99 Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 It's just my 2 cents and you are entitled to your opinion Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 29 minutes ago, legacy99 said: If you think about it the humour the fans like so much usually comes from sheldons interaction with lenny i believe if lenny wasnt there the fans wouldn't have anything to laugh at Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk To be fair. Sheldon doesnt need lenny anymore. He is funny by himself. Lol. Its the sheldon show now. Sheldon could sit on his spot for several hours and say nothing and his fans would find it funny, cause it would be the funniest thing since slice bread. Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacy99 Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 To be fair. Sheldon doesnt need lenny anymore. He is funny by himself. Lol. Its the sheldon show now. Sheldon could sit on his spot for several hours and say nothing and his fans would find it funny, cause it would be the funniest thing since slice bread.Sent from my SM-N950F using TapatalkIt reminds of amy saying they sat in the same room for hours without talking to each otherSent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 It reminds of amy saying they sat in the same room for hours without talking to each other Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk Exactly. [emoji4] Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk Exactly. It was a magical experience [emoji4] Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacy99 Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 I guess maybe it's my fault for not really enjoying the show anymore I'm nearly 66 and when i was dating it wasn't considered funny telling you girl friend what she was doing for a living wasnt important. It wasn't funny telling your friends their relationship wasn't going to work out because you knew betterIt seems the younger generations have a different idea of what's funny and what's romantic. After amy got sheldon the new computer and he told her to go home so he could Skype with her wasn't the least bit romantic to me this is all jmo Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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