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1 hour ago, Shelldon said:

Oh sorry, I was looking at it through a real life lens. I should've known that verbal abuse in TBBT just means in jest. 

1) Looking at TBBT through a real life lens is not the way to go since the show has never been an accurate depiction of real life nor is it intended to be.

2) Of course verbal abuse doesn't mean in jest. That's not what I said. I specifically mentioned Howard and Raj. If you look at the totality of their relationship you will see that they are best friends and that Howard is not mean towards Raj, but makes fun of him sometimes.

57 minutes ago, Shelldon said:

I really don't get these city hall plots, it's not romantic or spur of the moment. Sounds very boring. Especially in a 20 million viewers TV show.

If Raj ever gets married, they'll find a way to write it as a city hall wedding even though it would make tons of sense for his rich family to put something extravagant together.

Very insulting....

Insulting? In what way?

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Can somone explain to this sleep-deprived, confused, old Brit, please, what Sheldon meant by changing his mind about the city hall wedding because he wanted a 'proper wedding' ? How would the city hall one stop him having a 'proper' one later ? I'd have thought it would ease the pressure a lot, and also assure him that Amy couldn't change her mind about getting married if he continued to act like the dick he's been for the last couple of months.

 

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9 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Long sleeve wool pajamas in Pasadena. Might as well put Penny in Amy's Little House on The Prairie wear.

Looks more like standard thin flannel pajamas to me

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3 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Can somone explain to this sleep-deprived, confused, old Brit, please, what Sheldon meant by changing his mind about the city hall wedding because he wanted a 'proper wedding' ? How would the city hall one stop him having a 'proper' one later ? I'd have thought it would ease the pressure a lot, and also assure him that Amy couldn't change her mind about getting married if he continued to act like the dick he's been for the last couple of months.

 

While City Hall weddings are legal, the idea of having a wedding in a church, with family and friends, with a reception afterward, is ingrained into Americans (not all, true) as a "proper" wedding.   Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with a city hall wedding or that a city hall wedding isn't a  "proper" wedding.  Just personal preference.   

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12 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Long sleeve wool pajamas in Pasadena. Might as well put Penny in Amy's Little House on The Prairie wear.

I don't see what's wrong with that.  The show will be on around the mid December time frame.  In a week and a half (the first week of December), it's supposed to be in the mid 40s at night (That 7 for the metric capable folks), in Pasadena.  Those long sleeve wool pajamas are perfect for that.  

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9 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Can somone explain to this sleep-deprived, confused, old Brit, please, what Sheldon meant by changing his mind about the city hall wedding because he wanted a 'proper wedding' ? How would the city hall one stop him having a 'proper' one later ? I'd have thought it would ease the pressure a lot, and also assure him that Amy couldn't change her mind about getting married if he continued to act like the dick he's been for the last couple of months.

 

JMO, but having an elopement followed by a "proper" wedding later would have been too repetitive in the show. Plus, you know, doing so wouldn't have taken the pressure off, because if they are fighting over the details of the party and the ceremony, they would have continued to fight about that. Not a good way to start a marriage.

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6 minutes ago, Tensor said:

While City Hall weddings are legal, the idea of having a wedding in a church, with family and friends, with a reception afterward, is ingrained into Americans (not all, true) as a "proper" wedding.   Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with a city hall wedding or that a city hall wedding isn't a  "proper" wedding.  Just personal preference.   

Thank you. I get that, but what's wrong with having both ? 

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1 minute ago, mirs1 said:

JMO, but having an elopement followed by a "proper" wedding later would have been too repetitive in the show. Plus, you know, doing so wouldn't have taken the pressure off, because if they are fighting over the details of the party and the ceremony, they would have continued to fight about that. Not a good way to start a marriage.

Neither is lying about a tryst on a boat in the middle of the sea, but that is neither there or here. 

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Just now, joyceraye said:

Thank you. I get that, but what's wrong with having both ? 

It usually comes down to cost.  While everyone pays the same at city hall, the costs for what's seen as a "proper" wedding, is entirely optional and can run into some serious money, depending on how much one can and/or wants to spend.   Renting a church, a hall for the reception, and paying for refreshments (or dinners), bands or DJ's  isn't something everyone can afford, even on the low end.  

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16 minutes ago, Tensor said:

It usually comes down to cost.  While everyone pays the same at city hall, the costs for what's seen as a "proper" wedding, is entirely optional and can run into some serious money, depending on how much one can and/or wants to spend.   Renting a church, a hall for the reception, and paying for refreshments (or dinners), bands or DJ's  isn't something everyone can afford, even on the low end.  

This all seems to me to be a question of "The Financial Permeability" (S2). Sheldon has to ask Batman.

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25 minutes ago, Tensor said:

It usually comes down to cost.  While everyone pays the same at city hall, the costs for what's seen as a "proper" wedding, is entirely optional and can run into some serious money, depending on how much one can and/or wants to spend.   Renting a church, a hall for the reception, and paying for refreshments (or dinners), bands or DJ's  isn't something everyone can afford, even on the low end.  

 

Another reason People choose to get married at city hall or in Front of a Justice of the Peace at a Courthouse is if They couple have already been Married once or twice and have Kids from previous marriages and also if they are older in age like 40 Plus or if they already have  Kids and living  together and don't want a fancy wedding just a Wedding in form of the  JOP and a small reception.

As you said there are many reasons but yes when we think of Weddings we think of the typical Wedding a church ceremony followed by a Receipt with toasts, Dance, tec,etc., Every couple has their own preferences.  There no right or wrong way

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15 minutes ago, Tensor said:

It usually comes down to cost.  While everyone pays the same at city hall, the costs for what's seen as a "proper" wedding, is entirely optional and can run into some serious money, depending on how much one can and/or wants to spend.   Renting a church, a hall for the reception, and paying for refreshments (or dinners), bands or DJ's  isn't something everyone can afford, even on the low end.  

Thanks. Hmmm. I'm getting there. Don't people who have their weddings at a city hall have a reception, with all the rest of the trimmings according to how much they want  ( or are able ) to spend if it's their only wedding ?

And do they really have to rent a church if they want a church wedding ?  Does the vicar charge more than the city hall ?  

I'm assuming Howardette's wedding cost nothing because their 'clergy' wouldn't be charging them but their postponed reception do - which we never saw - would have cost whatever her father wanted to spend plus any lost deposit for putting the date back.

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Most of the married people i know got married by a judge, JP or their pastor at the courthouse, home or park, sometimes with a small party at home or a friends house. Most just wanted to be married and had no desire for the time and expense of a big "formal wedding" which these days is more of a status symbol for the well to do

Edit; the one time i was married was at the courthouse. If by some improbable confluence of events I ever do it again it will be at the church of bacon in Vegas. :icon_razz:

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17 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Another reason People choose to get married at city hall or in Front of a Justice of the Peace at a Courthouse is if They couple have already been Married once or twice and have Kids from previous marriages and also if they are older in age like 40 Plus or if they already have  Kids and living  together and don't want a fancy wedding just a Wedding in form of the  JOP and a small reception.

As you said there are many reasons but yes when we think of Weddings we think of the typical Wedding a church ceremony followed by a Receipt with toasts, Dance, tec,etc., Every couple has their own preferences.  There no right or wrong way

I'm wondering if there's a vocabulary issue here. It's often said that Britain and the USA are 'two nations separated by a common language'.  To me a wedding is the exchange of  vows which are binding promises in front of a legally-appointed person with subsequent recording of their marriage in a public record. The party afterwards, which is usually a meal, toasts, speeches and so on, for invited guests, is called a 'wedding breakfast' or ' reception' or ' afterwards'. It's not the wedding. It's  unrelated to where the wedding has taken place.

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1 minute ago, joyceraye said:

I'm wondering if there's a vocabulary issue here. It's often said that Britain and the USA are 'two nations separated by a common language'.  To me a wedding is the exchange of  vows which are binding promises in front of a legally-appointed person with subsequent recording of their marriage in a public record. The party afterwards, which is usually a meal, toasts, speeches and so on, for invited guests, is called a 'wedding breakfast' or ' reception' or ' afterwards'. It's not the wedding. It's  unrelated to where the wedding has taken place.

Thats correct but many people lump the wedding and reception into one event when talking about it. 

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On 27/10/2017 at 2:10 PM, joyceraye said:
16 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Most of the married people i know got married by a judge, JP or their pastor at the courthouse, home or park, sometimes with a small party at home or a friends house. Most just wanted to be married and had no desire for the time and expense of a big "formal wedding" which these days is more of a status symbol for the well to do

Edit; the one time i was married was at the courthouse. If by some improbable confluence of events I ever do it again it will be at the church of bacon in Vegas. :icon_razz:

This is what we did when we get married, went to the town hall and booked it in the registry office (only 36 guests allowed) then followed by a reception at a nearby pub, with more guests. It was what we could afford and I don' believe in spending tons of money just to get married and get in debt :)

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16 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Most of the married people i know got married by a judge, JP or their pastor at the courthouse, home or park, sometimes with a small party at home or a friends house. Most just wanted to be married and had no desire for the time and expense of a big "formal wedding" which these days is more of a status symbol for the well to do

Edit; the one time i was married was at the courthouse. If by some improbable confluence of events I ever do it again it will be at the church of bacon in Vegas. :icon_razz:

To me the formal wedding is the bit where the vicar or registrar says 'Will you take this man ? ' etc etc and the reply is 'I will' and the rest of it until the officiant says, 'I now pronounce you man and wife.' 

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8 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

To me the formal wedding is the bit where the vicar or registrar says 'Will you take this man ? ' etc etc and the reply is 'I will' and the rest of it until the officiant says, 'I now pronounce you man and wife.' 

That's were I think the confusion arises. I use the word "formal wedding" for a wedding followed by a reception, with dances, toasts, food, etc. I'm not from the USA, nor my native language is English, but I think in USA it's pretty common to not have a huge party after the ceremony. Where I live, for example, almost all weddings are "formal", with very elaborate and long receptions afterwords. Last wedding I attended was a 14 hours long thing, from the ceremony to the last dance at the party.

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34 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

And do they really have to rent a church if they want a church wedding ?  Does the vicar charge more than the city hall ? 

It just depends on the situation.  In my own situation we did not pay for the wedding mass or use of the church but did give the priest a cash thank you gift. A person involved in a church community does not necessarily pay even the use of the church reception hall (so long as it is cleaned up).  For that matter a church wedding can be as small as a visit to the justice of the peace. It does not necessarily need any extravagance.

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6 minutes ago, rachelshamyfan said:

This is what we did when we get married, went to the town hall and booked it in the registry office (only 36 guests allowed) then followed by a reception at a nearby pub. It was what we could afford and I don' believe in spending tons of money just to get married and get in debt

Good idea. The church would have held more people. LOL. 

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