[Spoilers] Season 11 Discussion Thread

[chucky]

3 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I'm sorry I don't see a a reverse vasectomy coming. The vasectomy issue I think signifies no more kids for Howdette. As Penny being a surrogate I don't think that will happen. The show is not good with continuing storylines. If they did  that he show would be compared to Friends. It worked on Friends because the show was better at having guest on for 5-6 straight episodes.

 I absolutely, positively agree. I can't see the reverse vasectomy happening since Howard had to pushed into having the original procedure done. To reverse it is way more painful, at least that's what I have been told. As you know Howard is such a coward. As for being a surrogate, no way that will happens.

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

4 hours ago, chucky said:

As for being a surrogate, no way that will happens

 I agree here that there no way that any surrogacy storyline is going to happen on this show at all especially Penny being Amy surrogate. This comment was made all the way back at the beginning of  Season 4 before Amy and Sheldon were even dating and long before they were even serious and even years before they had coitus. They were still just barely Friends at that point.  It was a different show then.  Amy probably doesn't even know that Sheldon made that comment. 

I have to laugh at how people go and dig up old throwaway lines from years ago when all the Characters were different.  The Producers and Writers, and most Viewers have probably forgotten about this comment and don't remember it.  Remeber Amy and Sheldon were suppose to be married by now? She said in Season 5 (2011) that she planned to marry Sheldon in 5 years time which would have made it 2016 and it now 2018.  that didn't work out as Amy had planned.  

Even if they did go route  Amy would never think of asking Penny to be her surrogate. I don't think Sheldon realize what Women go through while pregnant and giving birth. 

[chucky]

Just a question. Who do you think is the most heroic of the 4 nerds? Personally I believe it's Leonard. I mean, he did stand up to Kurt, not once but three times. Sheldon did run away from Kurt, as did the other guys. Plus he hid behind Amy when puny Howard charged at him. The only times I've seen Leonard show a fear to act is when he's done something he knows Penny would be upset with if she knew. Case in point, "The Kiss".  

[bfm]

2 hours ago, chucky said:

Just a question. Who do you think is the most heroic of the 4 nerds? Personally I believe it's Leonard. I mean, he did stand up to Kurt, not once but three times. Sheldon did run away from Kurt, as did the other guys. Plus he hid behind Amy when puny Howard charged at him. The only times I've seen Leonard show a fear to act is when he's done something he knows Penny would be upset with if she knew. Case in point, "The Kiss".  

I don't think any of them is or is supposed to be "heroic" haha The show's humor stems mostly for laughing at its characters' flaws. If anything I would consider Leonard heroic for becoming who he is in spite of his childhood and sticking and acting on the hope of his love being reciprocated (lucky for Penny who needed a man who would love her and not give up on her despite her issues that complicated their relationship, and lucky for him Penny did/does reciprocate, however late and unequally). 

Edited February 16, 2018 by bfm

[Jonny]

I think they have all done heroic acts (some more than others) but there aren't any real heroes on here nor is there meant to be. Of course someone may feel like a character has hero status in their eyes.

[Tonstar17]

Now you've done it. You had to bring up the kiss. Lol. Now we going to have pages of bad leonard. [emoji16] I think they all have been brave & daring in some capacity. But I agree, more leonard.

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[MsGreentea]

I agree Leonard is not a hero (or anything close) but he has had his moments when he stood up for his friends or tried to act the hero for Penny or others.  It is always funny and perhaps braver because he has to steel himself up first (and is given to second thoughts).  Of course real heroics comes when you are scared and do something anyway.  

[hokie3457]

Whispers to himself "…..maybe we can stop talking about Penny being a surrogate for Sheldon and Amy?....."

[legacy99]

I agree Leonard is not a hero (or anything close) but he has had his moments when he stood up for his friends or tried to act the hero for Penny or others.  It is always funny and perhaps braver because he has to steel himself up first (and is given to second thoughts).  Of course real heroics comes when you are scared and do something anyway.  

In my mind he has done more brave things than the rest combined

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[Jonny]

54 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

 I agree here that there no way that any surrogacy storyline is going to happen on this show at all especially Penny being Amy surrogate. This comment was made all the way back at the beginning of  Season 4 before Amy and Sheldon were even dating and long before they were even serious and even years before they had coitus. They were still just barely Friends at that point.  It was a different show then.  Amy probably doesn't even know that Sheldon made that comment. 

I have to laugh at how people go and dig up old throwaway lines from years ago when all the Characters were different.  The Producers and Writers, and most Viewers have probably forgotten about this comment and don't remember it.  Remeber Amy and Sheldon were suppose to be married by now? She said in Season 5 (2011) that she planned to marry Sheldon in 5 years time which would have made it 2016 and it now 2018.  that didn't work out as Amy had planned.  

Even if they did go route  Amy would never think of asking Penny to be her surrogate. I don't think Sheldon realize what Women go through while pregnant and giving birth. 

Holland worked on the teleplay on that episode I believe back in 4.01 so maybe that was his gag and he remembered it 7 season later?

I don't see a surrogacy storyline happening (not sure it would be right for this show) and I certainly need more evidence than two gags in 7 years to believe it might. But surrogacy does happen, close friends have been known to carry a friends child for them. Put it this way could I see Penny carrying one of her friends babies for them because they are unable to? It isn't that outlandish an idea to me because like I said it happens in real life.

But again its a gag until there is evidence to suggest there is more to it. I'm not expecting a surrogacy storyline at all.

 

Edited February 16, 2018 by Jonny

[Mislav]

It just occurred to me: would Brian Austin Green have been a better choice to portray Penny's brother?

 

Or, if one would like to go (almost) all the way with the whole "meth dealer" part, Aaron Paul?

 

http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0004977/?ref_=m_tt_cl_t9

 

http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0666739/?ref_=m_tt_cl_t3

[veejay]

13 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

Whispers to himself "…..maybe we can stop talking about Penny being a surrogate for Sheldon and Amy?....."

I heard you! Here comes the real hero fighting against every windmills.

[chucky]

22 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Now you've done it. You had to bring up the kiss. Lol.

Sorry! I was bored and it just came out.

18 minutes ago, MsGreentea said:

I agree Leonard is not a hero (or anything close) but he has had his moments when he stood up for his friends or tried to act the hero for Penny or others.  It is always funny and perhaps braver because he has to steel himself up first (and is given to second thoughts).  Of course real heroics comes when you are scared and do something anyway.  

I'm sorry. But you don't think he was scare of Kurt, who was probably a foot taller and out weighed him about 40 lbs. That extra weight was pure muscle. Leonard and the guys probably crapped their pants. 3 of them ran, leaving Leonard to face the ogre by himself. He didn't make out to good on any of the three occasions, but he still tried.

21 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

Whispers to himself "…..maybe we can stop talking about Penny being a surrogate for Sheldon and Amy?....."

I was hoping to get everyone's mind off that subject.  

22 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

In my mind he has done more brave things than the rest combined

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I don't recall the other three doing anything even considered as brave.  

[chucky]

I'm not saying that Leonard is your basic hero. I'm just saying that he has done what some people would consider heroic actions. True that they have been for Penny, but that still counts. The three encounters with Kurt can't be denied.

Edited February 16, 2018 by chucky

[bfm]

1 hour ago, Jonny said:

Holland worked on the teleplay on that episode I believe back in 4.01 so maybe that was his gag and he remembered it 7 season later?

I don't see a surrogacy storyline happening (not sure it would be right for this show) and I certainly need more evidence than two gags in 7 years to believe it might. But surrogacy does happen, close friends have been known to carry a friends child for them. Put it this way could I see Penny carrying one of her friends babies for them because they are unable to? It isn't that outlandish an idea to me because like I said it happens in real life.

But again its a gag until there is evidence to suggest there is more to it. I'm not expecting a surrogacy storyline at all.

(In)ability is key here. It makes a whole other story. 

Anyway I don't think it will happen, these were just two jokes about how clueless and inconsiderate Sheldon is.

[MsGreentea]

Yes I think Penny would consider being a surrogate if Amy could not carry a child.  I am not sure Amy would consider the same but she is her bestie so maybe.  Likewise I suppose either Leonard or Sheldon might  donate sperm for the  other but I honestly don’t see either one wanting the other’s child.

Just as likely (and more funny to me ) is the appearance of the sons/daughters that result from that pilot sperm bank episode.  It wouldn’t take much of a mix-up to have that stuff not thrown away.   

 

[chucky]

11 minutes ago, bfm said:

(In)ability is key here. It makes a whole other story. 

Anyway I don't think it will happen, these were just two jokes about how clueless and inconsiderate Sheldon is.

For a scientist with an IQ in the 180's, he is so clueless about everyday life items. Leonard and the rest are clueless as well, but at a smaller degree than Sheldon. Leonard at least has Penny to help him understand things. Sheldon only has Amy and she can be as clueless as Sheldon at times.

2 minutes ago, MsGreentea said:

Yes I think Penny would consider being a surrogate if Amy could not carry a child.  I am not sure Amy would consider the same but she is her bestie so maybe.  Likewise I suppose either Leonard or Sheldon might  donate sperm for the  other but I honestly don’t see either one wanting the other’s child.

Just as likely (and more funny to me ) is the appearance of the sons/daughters that result from that pilot sperm bank episode.  It wouldn’t take much of a mix-up to have that stuff not thrown away.   

 

They didn't go thru with the donating of the sperm. Penny would not be a surrogate for Amy. 

[bfm]

2 hours ago, MsGreentea said:

Yes I think Penny would consider being a surrogate if Amy could not carry a child.  I am not sure Amy would consider the same but she is her bestie so maybe.  Likewise I suppose either Leonard or Sheldon might  donate sperm for the  other but I honestly don’t see either one wanting the other’s child.

Just as likely (and more funny to me ) is the appearance of the sons/daughters that result from that pilot sperm bank episode.  It wouldn’t take much of a mix-up to have that stuff not thrown away.   

 

I do not think they would donate sperm for each other, that is a MUCH more complicated case than surrogacy as there is a genetic connection.

As for the sperm donation, I don't think there was any "stuff" left. It could be interesting though to see Penny's reaction if she found out about it, I don't think she inquired, took Sheldon seriously or even heard when Sheldon told her about it in the pilot.

2 hours ago, chucky said:

For a scientist with an IQ in the 180's, he is so clueless about everyday life items. Leonard and the rest are clueless as well, but at a smaller degree than Sheldon. Leonard at least has Penny to help him understand things. Sheldon only has Amy and she can be as clueless as Sheldon at times.

Having high IQ does not (necessairily) mean one can put himself in others' places and grasp social norms (and by that I mean really grasp, not just memorizing some rules).

Edited February 16, 2018 by bfm

[chucky]

9 minutes ago, bfm said:

Having high IQ does not (necessairily) mean one can put himself in others' places and grasp social norms (and by that I mean really grasp, not just memorizing some rules).

The problem is that he doesn't even try to understand. He doesn't even listen when some one tries to explain it to him, even at times Amy. That's what makes him a conceited condescending jerk because he thinks he's always right and cares not if he hurts someone except Amy. 

[3ku11]

I don't think Penny would even take it seriousley. Just take it as Sheldon making another outrageous, thoughtless comment. Unless they do a plot line where either Sheldon or Amy is infertile. So Amy can not get pregnant. But at this stage. It is just Sheldon being Sheldon.

[chucky]

16 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

I don't think Penny would even take it seriousley. Just take it as Sheldon making another outrageous, thoughtless comment. Unless they do a plot line where either Sheldon or Amy is infertile. So Amy can not get pregnant. But at this stage. It is just Sheldon being Sheldon.

I believe that Penny's thoughts on being Pregnant is if she has to go thru 9 months of that, then it will be Leonard's and her baby, period.  End of discussion! (Penny's thoughts)

[BigBang15]

On 2/15/2018 at 2:07 PM, Mario D. said:

I know the actors all praise the writers, but does anyone think they have some input into writing/dialogue, especially since they have been doing these characters for nearly twelve years. Or are they just to read and perform the scenes.  Also, I have never read that any of the actors want to direct an episode like some other shows on tv.

Agree   this would be a sensitive subject for a comedy.

I don't think any of them will direct an episode especially if they're in it. TBBT is filmed before a live audience with a director in a control room, not like single camera shows.

17 hours ago, Chrismo said:

We can talk quality quantity ratings till we turn blue. The two big questions are:

1.. Is the showing making money? I could be wrong but I believe the show as I read is starting to creep to break even. The pay cuts are an example of that.

2. Do the actors want to do the show? From appearance and this is JMO the enthusiasm

 I don't think ratings will be the reason the show ends.

I think season 12 will be it.

There have been NO pay cuts. There has been a reallocation of money. And that was voluntarily by the Top 5 cast so that Mayim and Melissa could get a better (deserved) raise.

 

As for Penny being a surrogate for Amy, she doesn't want to have kids (YET) because it will ruin her body. If she is not ready to do it for herself (and Leonard), she's not going to do it for Sheldon and Amy.

Edited February 16, 2018 by BigBang15
Added last lines.

[chucky]

8 minutes ago, BigBang15 said:

I know the actors all praise the writers, but does anyone think they have some input into writing/dialogue, especially since they have been doing these characters for nearly twelve years. Or are they just to read and perform the scenes.

As I have stated before, I believe the actors have an input to the script. They know the characters better than the writers. Be that as it may, whether said writers listen is a different story. Hopefully the actors opinions are taken into account when the final script is put out for them to perform!

Edited February 16, 2018 by chucky

[hokie3457]

26 minutes ago, chucky said:

I believe that Penny's thoughts on being Pregnant is if she has to go thru 9 months of that, then it will be Leonard's and her baby, period.  End of discussion! (Penny's thoughts)

I think it would be a little cold and perhaps a bit heartbreaking to ask a married woman to carry a child for someone else before she has had her own child.  My own thoughts and opinions...

Also, folks have been talking about Penny having her own plot/story line.  Would any of us want to see that plot/story line be one tied to being pregnant with a child for another couple?  If anything that plot line would be more about the other two people in this situation.  A big NO from here for her being a surrogate.

[chucky]

1 minute ago, hokie3457 said:

I think it would be a little cold and perhaps a bit heartbreaking to ask a married woman to carry a child for someone else before she has had her own child.  My own thoughts and opinions...

Also, folks have been talking about Penny having her own plot/story line.  Would any of us want to see that plot/story line be one tied to being pregnant with a child for another couple?  If anything that plot line would be more about the other two people in this situation.  A big NO from here for her being a surrogate.

I strongly agree!