Jonny Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) 56 minutes ago, djsurrey said: I don't see how it is different having two? More of the same. Not to mention they will likely be mostly in the other room while H/B visit with friends. That's true. I have found it hard to really get into/invested in any storyline involving parenthood on the show really. Sure I really enjoyed the first pregnancy and the freshness/challenges it brought but post birth those stories and challenges don't really interest me much. Does the fact that they are invisible play a role in that feeling? Absolutely. Edited February 24, 2018 by Jonny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veejay Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 26 minutes ago, Jonny said: That's true. I have found it hard to really get into/invested into any storyline involving parenthood on the show really. Sure I really enjoyed the first pregnancy and the freshness/challenges it brought but post birth those stories and challenges don't really interest me much. Does the fact that they are invisible play a role in that feeling? Absolutely. ...and I'm pretty happy about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jonny said: Does the fact that they are invisible play a role in that feeling? Absolutely. I see. To me it is just a gag like Howard's mother was. She reminded me of the neighbour in Home Improvement named Wilson in that usually one could only see part of his face. . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Home_Improvement_characters#Wilson_Wilson,_Jr. There is a list of unseen characters in american TV (including TBBT) given here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unseen_character#US_television Edited February 24, 2018 by djsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfm Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 2 hours ago, djsurrey said: I don't see how it is different having two? More of the same. Not to mention they will likely be mostly in the other room while H/B visit with friends. I've already grown tired of this gag so having it doubled just annoys me... 1 hour ago, Jonny said: That's true. I have found it hard to really get into/invested in any storyline involving parenthood on the show really. Sure I really enjoyed the first pregnancy and the freshness/challenges it brought but post birth those stories and challenges don't really interest me much. Does the fact that they are invisible play a role in that feeling? Absolutely. I like that they are touching on real, important challenges like who will go back to work and a sucessful career woman balancing career and family. However, I have a hard time relating to stories/dialogues regarding the relationship of the characters with Halley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucky Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, bfm said: I've already grown tired of this gag so having it doubled just annoys me... I like that they are touching on real, important challenges like who will go back to work and a sucessful career woman balancing career and family. However, I have a hard time relating to stories/dialogues regarding the relationship of the characters with Halley. The only episode I enjoyed with "Halley" in, was the one where she called Penny mommy. The look on Bernadette and Howard's faces was priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 hour ago, djsurrey said: I see. To me it is just a gag like Howard's mother was. She reminded me of the neighbour in Home Improvement named Wilson in that usually one could only see part of his face. . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Home_Improvement_characters#Wilson_Wilson,_Jr. There is a list of unseen characters in american TV (including TBBT) given here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unseen_character#US_television Yeah but with Howard's mother it was a combination of the distinctive voice and accent, personality (stereotype Jewish mother) and dialogue. You get none of that with Halley and presumably their son. I fully understand why they made the decision they did and the reasoning for it, but that doesn't change that I think there is something lacking because of the decision and in particular like @bfm referenced to in regards to certain stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Jonny said: Yeah but with Howard's mother it was a combination of the distinctive voice and accent, personality (stereotype Jewish mother) and dialogue. You get none of that with Halley and presumably their son. I fully understand why they made the decision they did and the reasoning for it, but that doesn't change that I think there is something lacking because of the decision and in particular like @bfm referenced to in regards to certain stories. The whole baby thing IMO was an act of desperation. The thought of the show trying to show that Bernadette trying to balance career and motherhood is laughable. Two reaons.first mothering imaginary kids. Second her career is based on funny side effects of experimental drugs. Having shown her doing no actual work just showing her wearings labcoat.At least Amy and even Penny they have shown them at least working. JMO but fans, especially women, should be embarsssed and angered by that depiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucky Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Chrismo said: The whole baby thing IMO was an act of desperation. The thought of the show trying to show that Bernadette trying to balance career and motherhood is laughable. Two reaons.first mothering imaginary kids. Second her career is based on funny side effects of experimental drugs. Having shown her doing no actual work just showing her wearings labcoat.At least Amy and even Penny they have shown them at least working. JMO but fans, especially women, should be embarsssed and angered by that depiction. In my honest opinion, Bernadette is the last woman on the show, besides Leslie Winkle, to be a mother. Howard is the last guy. Maybe if he grows up, that might change. I mean something is definitely wrong if your wife has to give you an allowance and tracks your progress in completing household jobs. I know this is a comedy, but come on, that's messed up even for comedy. Edited February 24, 2018 by chucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, chucky said: In my honest opinion, Bernadette is the last woman on the show, besides Leslie Winkle, to be a mother. Howard is the last guy. Maybe if he grows up, that might change. I mean something is definitely wrong if your wife has to give you an allowance and tracks your progress in completing household jobs. I know this is a comedy, but come on, that's messed up even for comedy. I’m not sure about that. Do Lenny get better stories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucky Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chrismo said: I’m not sure about that. Do Lenny get better stories? What has that got to do with my post? I said they were the worst choice to be parents, not who had better stories! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripper Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 13 hours ago, Kathy2611 said: I actually had to quote this so I could read the last 2 sentences on your post. I hope this really does get fixed because I couldn't read parts of the TR that was generously provided to us....thank you @Silver1984 Those ads should disappear now. I have removed the code that Google Adsense recently changed from the forum template. As the ad code was hard-coded into the page, it wasn't possible to turn this on/off for guests/members. So the recent changes by Google meant the new ad formats were showing to members where they shouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario D. Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Jonny said: Yeah but with Howard's mother it was a combination of the distinctive voice and accent, personality (stereotype Jewish mother) and dialogue. You get none of that with Halley and presumably their son. I fully understand why they made the decision they did and the reasoning for it, but that doesn't change that I think there is something lacking because of the decision and in particular like @bfm referenced to in regards to certain stories. 5 hours ago, chucky said: The only episode I enjoyed with "Halley" in, was the one where she called Penny mommy. The look on Bernadette and Howard's faces was priceless. This was one of my favorite episodes as well. While the decision to have Bernadette get pregnant may have been necessary (someone previously posted that they think this was when Melissa was pregnant IRL, but then she lost the baby and they had to keep going with it) However Melissa's real life pregnancy prompted another decision to show it as well. I honestly believe this decision derailed a potential story arc for Penny and Leonard conceiving a child. That will probably wait until the season 11 finale or next season now. I guess its true "sometimes the baby wins" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfm Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Mario D. said: This was one of my favorite episodes as well. While the decision to have Bernadette get pregnant may have been necessary (someone previously posted that they think this was when Melissa was pregnant IRL, but then she lost the baby and they had to keep going with it) However Melissa's real life pregnancy prompted another decision to show it as well. I honestly believe this decision derailed a potential story arc for Penny and Leonard conceiving a child. That will probably wait until the season 11 finale or next season now. I guess its true "sometimes the baby wins" I don't think they would have let Lenny have a baby for too long on the show, too much change for this set of PTB. Edited February 24, 2018 by bfm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucky Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, bfm said: I don't think they would have let Lenny have a baby for too long on the show, too much change for this set of PTB. But they let the woman who hates kids married to a guy who is more than a baby himself have not one but two kids. that was very intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 26 minutes ago, chucky said: But they let the woman who hates kids married to a guy who is more than a baby himself have not one but two kids. that was very intelligent. The couple of 'firsts' on the show, living in their own detached house so have the room and away from the other characters. It made sense they would be the first. Bernie wouldn't be the first woman to not like the idea of having kids but then once you have your own that opinion changes, Howard has matured a lot over the years, don't let some of the stuff with Raj this season cloud that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBigBangTheoryFan Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 6 hours ago, Chrismo said: The whole baby thing IMO was an act of desperation. The thought of the show trying to show that Bernadette trying to balance career and motherhood is laughable. Two reaons.first mothering imaginary kids. Second her career is based on funny side effects of experimental drugs. Having shown her doing no actual work just showing her wearings labcoat.At least Amy and even Penny they have shown them at least working. JMO but fans, especially women, should be embarsssed and angered by that depiction. It a TV Show with made up characters not real life with real people. TV Shows don't necessarily follow real-life and never have. They don't really have to either. In the 1950s Lucy Ricardo was pregnant for 3 Months (which it is possible those 3 Months of Epsidoes took place over 6 or 7 Months but still doesn't make sense) and in the 1990s Roseanne Connor was pregnant for over a year! In the 1960s TV was full of made up things that could never happen in the real world. A lot of Shows on TV then were living in a fantasy world. The Dick Van Dyke Show was one of a few shows during that time that was actually true to the real world around them. It showed/ portrayed life in the 1960s more realistically than most shows airing during that time. About the baby never being seen. well yeah, that has happened on almost every single show when a baby is born going back to I Love Lucy! I guess you never notice. There a good reason for that and it is because babies (and Kids under a certain age) cannot be exposed to those studio lights for too long. It i is not safe for them to be under all those lights for too long. They also are pretty limited in how much screen time. And they do mention Hallie quite often when she not around. Wehn Howardette is at Lenny Hallie is usually sleeping in their room. And what is wrong with Bernadette trying to balance a career and motherhood at the same time? There nothing fake about that. My Mom did it for years and did a pretty good job of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario D. Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 44 minutes ago, chucky said: But they let the woman who hates kids married to a guy who is more than a baby himself have not one but two kids. that was very intelligent. Although the way they wrote all her misgivings and worries about child rearing was a thoughtful and intelligent portrayal. However my comment about Lenny conceiving a child was meant more as a process where they would go through the joy and disappointment of trying to conceive. I think they could have intelligently written that as well as they did for Howardette. Maybe they still can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucky Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mario D. said: Although the way they wrote all her misgivings and worries about child rearing was a thoughtful and intelligent portrayal. However my comment about Lenny conceiving a child was meant more as a process where they would go through the joy and disappointment of trying to conceive. I think they could have intelligently written that as well as they did for Howardette. Maybe they still can Lenny is the forgotten couple. These writers do an episode and when the are almost finished, they find out that they didn't mention Lenny, so they throw them some scraps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfm Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 hour ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said: About the baby never being seen. well yeah, that has happened on almost every single show when a baby is born going back to I Love Lucy! I guess you never notice. There a good reason for that and it is because babies (and Kids under a certain age) cannot be exposed to those studio lights for too long. It i is not safe for them to be under all those lights for too long. They also are pretty limited in how much screen time. And they do mention Hallie quite often when she not around. Wehn Howardette is at Lenny Hallie is usually sleeping in their room. They could pretape a few short shots of a baby... Many other shows did that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBigBangTheoryFan Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, bfm said: They could pretape a few short shots of a baby... Many other shows did that... They have a couple time already. I already explained in my last post. Edited February 24, 2018 by MTBigBangTheoryFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfm Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 27 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said: They have a couple time already. I already explained in my last post. I meant shots of a real baby, not just refering to the baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBigBangTheoryFan Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I meant shots of a real baby, not just refering to the baby.I know what you meant. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucky Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Just now, bfm said: I meant shots of a real baby, not just refering to the baby. I think the closest they came to showing Halley was when the gang was at the hospital looking at the babies in the nursery. Were they real babies or just taped baby sounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfm Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said: I know what you meant. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk They had never shown baby Halley, not even for a bit. Yes they have shown some other kids for a few seconds but they could shoot a real baby as baby Halley. Again many shows did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBigBangTheoryFan Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, bfm said: They had never shown baby Halley, not even for a bit. Yes they have shown some other kids for a few seconds but they could shoot a real baby as baby Halley. Again many shows did that. And they have shown Halle several times and we have heard her cry a few times. As I said already Babies can not be expose studio lights for to long as it not safe Do you want the baby actor to go blind? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited February 24, 2018 by Tensor removed comment directed at another member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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