[Spoilers] Season 11 Discussion Thread

[Die Zimtzicke]

9 hours ago, chucky said:

Is it really? She hasn't impressed me with her mother skills. She's not as bad as Beverly, but then again who is that bad?

We didn't get to see the baby and she wasn't discussed that much before Bernie got pregnant again and then went on bedrest, so I don't think we honestly had much time to judge her parenting skills. But then that's just me.

[MsGreentea]

I would like to see the Wolowitz family playing  in a park in the last episode.  I’m good no glimpses until then.  

[Capt. Hilts]

9 hours ago, chucky said:

I have to agree, there are way too many more better and interesting stories out there than just Sheldon. Almost every story line includes it's effect on Sheldon. Why is that? It's because the writers have Sheldon on the brain way too much!

Because the ratings for those shows sustain high ratings.

Edited February 25, 2018 by Capt. Hilts

[chucky]

1 minute ago, Capt. Hilts said:

Because the ratings for those shows sustain high ratings.

Is that your opinion, fact, or just you wishing?

Maybe Tensor can weigh in on this subject since he's a ratings guru. I will bow to his expertise.

[Mario D.]

12 hours ago, MsGreentea said:

I would love to see the Hofstedter’s have a baby and I think Kaley would do pregnant Penny  just hysterically funny- plus she would be interacting mostly with Leonard, Sheldon, and Amy so the dynamic would be different.  But,I just don’t see the writers wanting to do it except for the finale (whenever that is).

I too would love to see Penny and Leonard have a baby, preferably before the final series episode, as this was the catchphrase of the show from season 1.  To see Penny go through pregnancy with Leonard doting over her and Sheldon with his condescending remarks would be hilarious.  Just wonder if tptb have approached Kaley with this scenario as she is on the verge of getting married and possibly being pregnant herself.  Think the timing in all this will be very relevant.

[Jonny]

1 hour ago, chucky said:

Is that your opinion, fact, or just you wishing?

Maybe Tensor can weigh in on this subject since he's a ratings guru. I will bow to his expertise.

Usually when a Shamy 'milestone' episode airs during the week there are articles on CBS and elsewhere about the huge ratings that episode got. You would have to ask those extra viewers why they tuned in to determine what motivated them to do so.

Obviously people tune into the show for different reasons and all that.

[chucky]

1 minute ago, Jonny said:

Usually when a Shamy 'milestone' episode airs during the week there are articles on CBS and elsewhere about the huge ratings that episode got. You would have to ask those extra viewers why they tuned in to determine what motivated them to do so.

Obviously people tune into the show for different reasons and all that.

Shamy, milestone episodes yes, but every episode just because of Sheldon is a big fat no!

[Mario D.]

53 minutes ago, Jonny said:

Usually when a Shamy 'milestone' episode airs during the week there are articles on CBS and elsewhere about the huge ratings that episode got. You would have to ask those extra viewers why they tuned in to determine what motivated them to do so.

Obviously people tune into the show for different reasons and all that.

I don't think that the TBBT ratings success is solely based on Sheldon. The early seasons more or less were based on the Penny and Leonard relationship and people wanted to see how that turned out and also Sheldon's eccentricities as  a character. The whole ensemble is responsible for the success of the show but I guess we all have our favorites to follow.

[Capt. Hilts]

1 hour ago, Mario D. said:

I don't think that the TBBT ratings success is solely based on Sheldon. 

No one is saying that at all.

[3ku11]

4 hours ago, Capt. Hilts said:

Because the ratings for those shows sustain high ratings.

The highest rated episode was 7.02 The Deception Verification from what I recall, and that was a Lenny episode. And to be fair you did your say the Sheldon episodes sustin high ratings. Now your saying "No one is saying that". LOL okay then what ever you say. Once again Ratings don't equal Quality. Season 3 was the highest rated season from this show in Demo. But also had high quality. Ratings are simply subjective. 

Edited February 25, 2018 by 3ku11

[Capt. Hilts]

52 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

The highest rated episode was 7.02 The Deception Verification from what I recall, and that was a Lenny episode. And to be fair you did your say the Sheldon episodes sustin high ratings. Now your saying "No one is saying that". LOL okay then what ever you say. Once again Ratings don't equal Quality. Season 3 was the highest rated season from this show in Demo. But also had high quality. Ratings are simply subjective. 

No one has said "ratings = quality."

Season 7 is four years ago.  I just looked at last two seasons. 

By the way, I, too, would like to see more of Leonard and Penny and for some focus to be put on Penny, in particular.

Edited February 25, 2018 by Capt. Hilts

[MsGreentea]

This is a pretty sensitive subject on here but Sheldon insanity makes for pretty good promos and Sheldon proposing is pretty crazy/promo fodder.  But rating numbers are complex.  I am pretty sure the shows highest rated episodes so far this year correlate more to crazy cold spells here in the east, and not to Sheldon’s (or anyone’s) screen time.  I personally love Sheldon heavy episodes if they are funny enough - but I certainly don’t watch the show for Sheldon.  I don’t care if much of this season is about Sheldon’s wedding.  I do care when his wedding story is not a good vehicle for the other characters(except Amy).  It often seems this year that it is not.  I loved Leonard’s bachelor party episode because the road trip was hysterical.  I loved the second Leonard/Penny wedding because of all the fabulous interactions with the out of towners.  I can’t think of any part of the Sheldon wedding episodes where I liked the way the rest of the cast was involved.  

Edited February 25, 2018 by MsGreentea

[chucky]

I don't know about others, but I would love to see more Lenny and gang related episodes. I think that there are too much Sheldon/Shamy which in MHO makes the show boring. I know there are fans that love it as a Shamy/Sheldon show, but I don't!

Edited February 25, 2018 by chucky

[Carlos]

6 hours ago, Capt. Hilts said:

Because the ratings for those shows sustain high ratings.

Your wording confuses me, but assuming that you mean that shows with more Sheldon in it are higher rated, or that Sheldon himself is responsible for the high ratings is immaterial. Some of us like the current state of affairs, some of us don't. I personally think the writing now sucks, but you might think differently. All the ratings in the world  wouldn't change my opinion.

[chucky]

30 minutes ago, Carlos said:

Your wording confuses me, but assuming that you mean that shows with more Sheldon in it are higher rated, or that Sheldon himself is responsible for the high ratings is immaterial. Some of us like the current state of affairs, some of us don't. I personally think the writing now sucks, but you might think differently. All the ratings in the world  wouldn't change my opinion.

I have to admit that I am in total agreement.   

48 minutes ago, MsGreentea said:

This is a pretty sensitive subject on here but Sheldon insanity makes for pretty good promos and Sheldon proposing is pretty crazy/promo fodder.  But rating numbers are complex.  I am pretty sure the shows highest rated episodes so far this year correlate more to crazy cold spells here in the east, and not to Sheldon’s (or anyone’s) screen time.  I personally love Sheldon heavy episodes if they are funny enough - but I certainly don’t watch the show for Sheldon.  I don’t care if much of this season is about Sheldon’s wedding.  I do care when his wedding story is not a good vehicle for the other characters(except Amy).  It often seems this year that it is not.  I loved Leonard’s bachelor party episode because the road trip was hysterical.  I loved the second Leonard/Penny wedding because of all the fabulous interactions with the out of towners.  I can’t think of any part of the Sheldon wedding episodes where I liked the way the rest of the cast was involved.  

That's because the writers are treating the rest of the cast as second class citizens. If you aren't Shamy, you don't matter. Unless it's the scenes where the rest of the cast get a little time when they are helping Sheldon. He, as always, shows no gratitude what so ever. He's just condescending as if that's what they are there for in the first place. To me, that's just getting old.

[MsGreentea]

To me you can have the guys plan a bachelor party for Sheldon without involving Sheldon until step 10.  You can have friends buy/make them gifts without holding court in 4b.     And I love Sheldon/Leonard, and some Penny/Sheldon and Penny/Amy is okay.   All I am looking forward to at this wedding is scenes with Leonard and his mom, Sheldon’s mom, and if they can come with an excuse for it -Leonard’s  dad.  

[chucky]

2 minutes ago, MsGreentea said:

To me you can have the guys plan a bachelor party for Sheldon without involving Sheldon until step 10.  You can have friends buy/make them gifts without holding court in 4b.     And I love Sheldon/Leonard, and some Penny/Sheldon and Penny/Amy is okay.   All I am looking forward to at this wedding is scenes with Leonard and his mom, Sheldon’s mom, and if they can come with an excuse for it -Leonard’s  dad.  

To be truthful, I've had enough of the Beverly/Mary confrontational scenes. They are getting quite old. I've also had enough of the Sheldon/Penny scenes. If Penny is going to be in a scene with one person, that person should be her husband. We've had way too few of those.

[Capt. Hilts]

2 hours ago, Carlos said:

Your wording confuses me, but assuming that you mean that shows with more Sheldon in it are higher rated, or that Sheldon himself is responsible for the high ratings is immaterial. Some of us like the current state of affairs, some of us don't. I personally think the writing now sucks, but you might think differently. All the ratings in the world  wouldn't change my opinion.

If an episode generates a larger audience than average, some of those folks might keep watching.

That said, TBBT's 'average' ratings are great.

[Tensor]

The highest rated demo shows were the following:

Date.                          Show                         Demo                            Title

Jan 10 2013                 6-13                            6.4                               The Bakersfield Expedition

Feb 7, 2013                  6-15                            6.2                              The Spoiler Alert Segmentation

Jan 3, 2013                   6-12                            6.1                               The Egg Salad Equivalency

Sept 26, 2013              7-02                            6.1                                The Deception Verification

Feb 8, 2010                  3-15                            6.0                                The Large Hadron Collision. 

6-10 are:  at 5.9, 3-16 The Excelsior Acquisition and 3-17 The Precious Fragmentation; Three of them at 5.7.  3-12 The Psychic Vortex, 6.8 The 43 Peculiarity and 7-13 The Occupation Recalibration.   

 

For viewers:

Date                             Show                          Viewers (in millions)         Title

Sept 26, 2013               7-02                               20.44                              The Deception Verification 

Jan 9, 2014                    7-13                               20.35.                             The Occupation Recalibration

Jan 10, 2013                  6-13                               20.00.                             The Bakersfield Expedition

Jan 3, 2013                    6.12                               19.25                               The Egg Salad Equivalency

Jan 2, 2014                    7-12                               19.20                               The Hesitation Ramification

6-10      At  19.05, 7-14  The Convention Conundrum;  at 18.99, 7-01 The Hofstadter Insufficiency; at 18.98, 6-15 The Spoiler Alert Segmentation; at 18.94, 7.09 The Thanksgiving Decoupling; at 18.30, 8.02 The Junior Professor Solution.

 

Now, whether anyone watched for Lenny, Shamy or to see Cinnamon lick her ass, is anyone's guess.   

 

[chucky]

10 minutes ago, Tensor said:

The highest rated demo shows were the following:

Date.                          Show                         Demo                            Title

Jan 10 2013                 6-13                            6.4                               The Bakersfield Expedition

Feb 7, 2013                  6-15                            6.2                              The Spoiler Alert Segmentation

Jan 3, 2013                   6-12                            6.1                               The Egg Salad Equivalency

Sept 26, 2013              7-02                            6.1                                The Deception Verification

Feb 8, 2010                  3-15                            6.0                                The Large Hadron Collision. 

6-10 are:  at 5.9, 3-16 The Excelsior Acquisition and 3-17 The Precious Fragmentation; Three of them at 5.7.  3-12 The Psychic Vortex, 6.8 The 43 Peculiarity and 7-13 The Occupation Recalibration.   

 

For viewers:

Date                             Show                          Viewers (in millions)         Title

Sept 26, 2013               7-02                               20.44                              The Deception Verification 

Jan 9, 2014                    7-13                               20.35.                             The Occupation Recalibration

Jan 10, 2013                  6-13                               20.00.                             The Bakersfield Expedition

Jan 3, 2013                    6.12                               19.25                               The Egg Salad Equivalency

Jan 2, 2014                    7-12                               19.20                               The Hesitation Ramification

6-10      At  19.05, 7-14  The Convention Conundrum;  at 18.99, 7-01 The Hofstadter Insufficiency; at 18.98, 6-15 The Spoiler Alert Segmentation; at 18.94, 7.09 The Thanksgiving Decoupling; at 18.30, 8.02 The Junior Professor Solution.

 

Now, whether anyone watched for Lenny, Shamy or to see Cinnamon lick her ass, is anyone's guess.   

 

I agree. There's no way to know why people watch. Whether it's Shamy, Lenny, Howardette, Cinnamon or a combination of all. I guess the only way to know is if CBS conducted a poll. I doubt that happens, cause I don't think they care why people watch as long as they do watch.

Edited February 26, 2018 by chucky

[vonmar]

34 minutes ago, Tensor said:

The highest rated demo shows were the following:

Date.                          Show                         Demo                            Title

Jan 10 2013                 6-13                            6.4                               The Bakersfield Expedition

Feb 7, 2013                  6-15                            6.2                              The Spoiler Alert Segmentation

Jan 3, 2013                   6-12                            6.1                               The Egg Salad Equivalency

Sept 26, 2013              7-02                            6.1                                The Deception Verification

Feb 8, 2010                  3-15                            6.0                                The Large Hadron Collision. 

6-10 are:  at 5.9, 3-16 The Excelsior Acquisition and 3-17 The Precious Fragmentation; Three of them at 5.7.  3-12 The Psychic Vortex, 6.8 The 43 Peculiarity and 7-13 The Occupation Recalibration.   

 

For viewers:

Date                             Show                          Viewers (in millions)         Title

Sept 26, 2013               7-02                               20.44                              The Deception Verification 

Jan 9, 2014                    7-13                               20.35.                             The Occupation Recalibration

Jan 10, 2013                  6-13                               20.00.                             The Bakersfield Expedition

Jan 3, 2013                    6.12                               19.25                               The Egg Salad Equivalency

Jan 2, 2014                    7-12                               19.20                               The Hesitation Ramification

6-10      At  19.05, 7-14  The Convention Conundrum;  at 18.99, 7-01 The Hofstadter Insufficiency; at 18.98, 6-15 The Spoiler Alert Segmentation; at 18.94, 7.09 The Thanksgiving Decoupling; at 18.30, 8.02 The Junior Professor Solution.

 

Now, whether anyone watched for Lenny, Shamy or to see Cinnamon lick her ass, is anyone's guess.   

 

Is this "live" numbers only?

Not Live + 3 or Live + 7

[Tensor]

27 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Is this "live" numbers only?

Not Live + 3 or Live + 7

Live + Same Day only.  They weren't tracking Live + 3 or Live + 7 back in season three, (Correction, they were tracking Live + 3, but were not making it publicly available) and since four of the top 10 demo episodes come from season three, I didn't see how could add them.   I have sporadic Live + 7 for season five (8 - 10 episodes I think).  It wasn't until season 6 that I started getting Live + 7 for all episodes (and live + 3 for all episodes was only started in season 9).

It really doesn't make that much of a difference.  There is only one episode that makes it into the top ten from not being in the top ten, when the Live + 7 data is added, and that didn't even make it into the top five.  

ETA: that show only makes it into the top ten in viewers.  It never made even the top 40 in demo with the addition of live + 7 numbers (if I remember correctly, all of season 7 was higher in Live + 7 demo).  

[vonmar]

1 hour ago, Tensor said:

Live + Same Day only.  They weren't tracking Live + 3 or Live + 7 back in season three, (Correction, they were tracking Live + 3, but were not making it publicly available) and since four of the top 10 demo episodes come from season three, I didn't see how could add them.   I have sporadic Live + 7 for season five (8 - 10 episodes I think).  It wasn't until season 6 that I started getting Live + 7 for all episodes (and live + 3 for all episodes was only started in season 9).

It really doesn't make that much of a difference.  There is only one episode that makes it into the top ten from not being in the top ten, when the Live + 7 data is added, and that didn't even make it into the top five.  

In my opinion, it does.  

What about "The Opening Night Excitation" Live +3?

Edited February 26, 2018 by vonmar

[Tensor]

5 minutes ago, vonmar said:

In my opinion, it does.  

What happened to "The Opening Night Excitation" Live +3?

It really doesn't.  The amount of lift in both viewers and demo is really pretty consistent.    There are exceptions,  probably less than five episodes where the Live + 7 makes any major kind of difference in where the episode ends up.   Now, "Opening night is one of those five, but mostly in viewers, not as much in demo.    It finished 34th in viewers and it's Live + 7 brought it up to sixth.    It finished in 130th place in demo (4.1) and it's 2.9 lift brought it up to around 60th place.  That 130th place is for all episodes.  The 60th place is only for seasons 6 through current.  If I had the numbers, I'd be willing to bet some of the season three episodes beat a 7.0.  Which might push it down to 70th or so.  

Hell, it finished behind all but two of season 7's episodes and three quarters of season 6's episodes in Live + 7.    

In season 9, while I was getting most of the Live + 3, I didn't get them all.   I would say the reason there is no Live + 3 is, at that time, it was coming out three weeks after the episode aired.  That would put it right between Christmas and New Years.  It can be a struggle to get data at that time of year (go back and look at how much was missing this year).  So I would say, it wasn't released publicly, although we did get the Live + 7. 

[Capt. Hilts]

49 minutes ago, Tensor said:

It really doesn't.  The amount of lift in both viewers and demo is really pretty consistent.    There are exceptions,  probably less than five episodes where the Live + 7 makes any major kind of difference in where the episode ends up.   Now, "Opening night is one of those five, but mostly in viewers, not as much in demo.    It finished 34th in viewers and it's Live + 7 brought it up to sixth.    It finished in 130th place in demo (4.1) and it's 2.9 lift brought it up to around 60th place.  That 130th place is for all episodes.  The 60th place is only for seasons 6 through current.  If I had the numbers, I'd be willing to bet some of the season three episodes beat a 7.0.  Which might push it down to 70th or so.  

Hell, it finished behind all but two of season 7's episodes and three quarters of season 6's episodes in Live + 7.    

In season 9, while I was getting most of the Live + 3, I didn't get them all.   I would say the reason there is no Live + 3 is, at that time, it was coming out three weeks after the episode aired.  That would put it right between Christmas and New Years.  It can be a struggle to get data at that time of year (go back and look at how much was missing this year).  So I would say, it wasn't released publicly, although we did get the Live + 7. 

Overall viewership has been in a steady decline.