[Spoilers] Season 11 Discussion Thread

[vonmar]

51 minutes ago, Tensor said:

It really doesn't.  The amount of lift in both viewers and demo is really pretty consistent.    There are exceptions,  probably less than five episodes where the Live + 7 makes any major kind of difference in where the episode ends up.   Now, "Opening night is one of those five, but mostly in viewers, not as much in demo.    It finished 34th in viewers and it's Live + 7 brought it up to sixth.    It finished in 130th place in demo (4.1) and it's 2.9 lift brought it up to around 60th place.  That 130th place is for all episodes.  The 60th place is only for seasons 6 through current.  If I had the numbers, I'd be willing to bet some of the season three episodes beat a 7.0.  Which might push it down to 70th or so.  

Hell, it finished behind all but two of season 7's episodes and three quarters of season 6's episodes in Live + 7.    

In season 9, while I was getting most of the Live + 3, I didn't get them all.   I would say the reason there is no Live + 3 is, at that time, it was coming out three weeks after the episode aired.  That would put it right between Christmas and New Years.  It can be a struggle to get data at that time of year (go back and look at how much was missing this year).  So I would say, it wasn't released publicly, although we did get the Live + 7. 

I'm sorry, what list are these numbers coming from?

[Tensor]

30 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

Overall viewership has been in a steady decline.

Yes, I'm well aware of that (look at any number of my posts explaining how much the numbers have dropped and how TBBT has dropped less than average over the last few years).  But, except for one way I know of, I don't see any way to directly compare individual episodes.   Part of the problem is that the way to compare seasons, doesn't work as well with individual episodes.   Part of that is due to the usual drop in rating throughout the year.   For instance, last year, a 3.5 in October wasn't a good or bad demo, but in March, it would have been spectacular, due to the drop in the average rating.  Using that one way (by comparing the final average demo for all shows, then comparing the demo for the individual episode against that average), "Opening Night" still finishes no better than 25th in the comparison ratings.    This is why I tend to use Live + SD, instead of the DVR ratings, as there are no DVR ratings for anything before season four.  And only sporadically for seasons four and five. 

 

22 minutes ago, vonmar said:

I'm sorry, what list are these numbers coming from?

I have a spread sheet, broken out by season, for all 11 seasons with the date, episode number, number of viewers, demo number, and after season five, 7 day lift of demo and viewers (and I also have the "to date" average for all of those through the end of each season plus a few other odds and ends of info).  

If you want to know what the show got in demo and viewers for Live + SD and Live + 7 for the January 8th show in 2015?   You want the  average for all those numbers, after that show, just let me know and I'll give it to you also.  

[bfm]

7 hours ago, MsGreentea said:

I can’t think of any part of the Sheldon wedding episodes where I liked the way the rest of the cast was involved.  

I generally agree, except that I did like the matron of honor/best man episode.

[Capt. Hilts]

22 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Yes, I'm well aware of that (look at any number of my posts explaining how much the numbers have dropped and how TBBT has dropped less than average over the last few years).  But, except for one way I know of, I don't see any way to directly compare individual episodes.   Part of the problem is that the way to compare seasons, doesn't work as well with individual episodes.   Part of that is due to the usual drop in rating throughout the year.   For instance, last year, a 3.5 in October wasn't a good or bad demo, but in March, it would have been spectacular, due to the drop in the average rating.  Using that one way (by comparing the final average demo for all shows, then comparing the demo for the individual episode against that average), "Opening Night" still finishes no better than 25th in the comparison ratings.    This is why I tend to use Live + SD, instead of the DVR ratings, as there are no DVR ratings for anything before season four.  And only sporadically for seasons four and five. 

As someone here noted, ratings are even affected by the weather!

[Tensor]

Just now, Capt. Hilts said:

As someone here noted, ratings are even affected by the weather!

Yeah, if there's a snow storm or blizzard, nobody goes anywhere and they sit and watch TV.  You also have to consider what is on opposite of the episode.   If you look, two of the top five in demo and four of the top five in viewers were during the first two weeks of January, when the other networks were running repeats.   Noting on the other channels, let's watch a new TBBT.    In May of 2014, TBBT demo tanked.  I was a 3.8, the first time in three  years TBBT had a demo below a four, and what was on opposite it?  The NFL draft, lot of younger people.   It was back to it's average ratings the next week.  

[3ku11]

A TV show rating can be effected by whats on the other network. I have no idea what TBBT demo is now. I think the shows highest demo was Season 3. I was just pointing out I don't think Ratings have anything to do with Quality. 

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11.18 Shenny laundry scene 

[legacy99]

11.18 Shenny laundry scene 

Hasn't that been done before

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[chucky]

Just now, legacy99 said:

Hasn't that been done before

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Done and forgot about! 

[Capt. Hilts]

8 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

A TV show rating can be effected by whats on the other network. I have no idea what TBBT demo is now. I think the shows highest demo was Season 3. I was just pointing out I don't think Ratings have anything to do with Quality. 

And personal preferences are also not an indicator of quality.

[chucky]

4 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

And personal preferences are also not an indicator of quality.

The quote, I believe was that RATINGS had nothing to do with QUALITY. There was no mention of PERSONAL REFERENCES. 

[legacy99]

To me personal preference is the indicator of quality

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[Tensor]

57 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

To me personal preference is the indicator of quality

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Actually, personal preference isn't always an indicator of what a particular person considers quality.  For example, not everyone who watches TBBT considers it quality television. I don't consider Rocky Horror a quality movie, but I do enjoy it.  

[legacy99]

Actually, personal preference isn't always an indicator of what a particular person considers quality.  For example, not everyone who watches TBBT considers it quality television. I don't consider Rocky Horror a quality movie, but I do enjoy it.  

The first time my wife saw rocky horror picture show she thought i was pretty sick for liking it but it finally grew on her

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[chucky]

2 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

The first time my wife saw rocky horror picture show she thought i was pretty sick for liking it but it finally grew on her

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I have to admit that it hasn't grown on me as of yet. 

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

1 hour ago, Tensor said:

Actually, personal preference isn't always an indicator of what a particular person considers quality.  For example, not everyone who watches TBBT considers it quality television. I don't consider Rocky Horror a quality movie, but I do enjoy it.  

You are right. I don't think older people over 60 (which is CBS biggest audience as CBS has the oldest viewers of any network and older people make up a large number of CBS viewers who watch the network every night they are a target audience) necessarily consider the Big Bang Theory 'quality television'. They may watch and some may even enjoy it a little bit but most probably don't think of a quality type show or a classic. 

The Middle (and Rural America) Class America and Older People is who CBS tries to attract and usually does 

 

Edited February 26, 2018 by MTBigBangTheoryFan

[chucky]

2 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

You are right. I don't think older people over 60 (which is CBS biggest audience as CBS has the oldest viewers of any network and older people make up a large number of CBS viewers who watch the network every night they are a target audience) necessarily consider the Big Bang Theory 'quality television'. They may watch and some may even enjoy it a little bit but most probably don't think of a quality type show or a classic. 

In a way you are so right. As a member of the over 60 fan club , I still consider it quality type classic show. Mainly due to the cast. They do a great job with the sometimes sub par material they have to work with these days. I do get a few chuckles in every episode. There is still that one in ten episodes that I laugh my rear end off. I'm going to miss it when it ends and I'm hoping for many years of reruns on TV.

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[3ku11]

2 hours ago, Tensor said:

Actually, personal preference isn't always an indicator of what a particular person considers quality.  For example, not everyone who watches TBBT considers it quality television. I don't consider Rocky Horror a quality movie, but I do enjoy it.  

Well I loved Friends still do, but not alot of people consider it Quality TV LOL. Quality is also subjective I guess. I also loved Two and a half men. 

Quality and Ratings are all dependant on various of factors. Timeslot and whats on the other Network play big parts in TBBT viewership like most shows I am guessing. Ratings and Quality are not neccessarily mutually exclusive. 

[joyceraye]

To me, quality TV demonstrates how much thought has gone into the script and how cleverly thought-out  the situations are,together with the way in which advantage is taken of the fact that it's a visual medium. Realistic acting should go without saying. If it's a continuing series then characters should develop. 

[chucky]

9 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

To me, quality TV demonstrates how much thought has gone into the script and how cleverly thought-out  the situations are,together with the way in which advantage is taken of the fact that it's a visual medium. Realistic acting should go without saying. If it's a continuing series then characters should develop. 

Mostly the only thing I see as quality on the show is the performance of the cast. They do a remarkable job with what they have to work with these days. I just don't see any quality writing and they clearly don't think out any of the situations. The episodes are one and done with usually no continuation or closure. Take for instance the Viewing Party episode. They go from the gang arguing with each other to Howard in the emergency room to Leonard, Howard and Sheldon giving Stuart a hard time on the girl's bike. How do they get from point A to point C? We're suppose to figure that out on our own.

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[3ku11]

55 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

To me, quality TV demonstrates how much thought has gone into the script and how cleverly thought-out  the situations are,together with the way in which advantage is taken of the fact that it's a visual medium. Realistic acting should go without saying. If it's a continuing series then characters should develop. 

So not this show post 2012 LOL.

[mirs1]

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[legacy99]

I just can't explain how shocked I'm at this news. I would have never guessed

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[chucky]

2 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

I just can't explain how shocked I'm at this news. I would have never guessed

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The good thing is the wedding crap will be all over prior to Season 12.