[Spoilers] Season 11 Discussion Thread

[joyceraye]

2 minutes ago, MsGreentea said:

I think for Emmys an actor submits a reel in a category.  Jim and Johnny obviously think of themselves as leads and the industry agrees as they won or were nominated in that category.  I am sure everyone submits something every year.  Mayim presumably submitted herself and won as supporting.  Kaley and Simon won or were nominated for supporting by the critics.  I don’t know how that is determined but critics opinions are probably close to the industry standard.

Other awards (like people’s choice) probably don’t mean much in terms of categories.  

That said it is hard to argue against Kaley as a lead based both on her salary, her shows, and the fact that half the descriptions of the show on the web still talk about two guys and their neighbor who moves in next door.

An American lady with whom I correspond told me her colleagues were fans of 'the star' of the show. She doesn't watch TV herself. When I asked who that 'star' was, she said it was 'a blonde girl'. Hmmmm

[Chrismo]

It seems to me all fandoms should be grateful for Penny. Without her there would be no Lenny, Howdette or Shamy. Before someone says Penny had nothing to do with Shamy would Howard been looking for someone for Sheldon if he didn't have Bernadette?

Edited March 5, 2018 by Chrismo

[chucky]

24 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

It seems to me all fandoms should be grateful for Penny. Without her there would be no Lenny, Howdette or Shamy. Before someone says Penny had nothing to do with Shamy would Howard been looking for someone for Sheldon if he didn't have Bernadette?

That's debatable. It probably was a reason for the search for someone for Sheldon, but then, they may have wanted someone to keep Sheldon busy so he left everyone else alone. That way Sheldon would have someone else to annoy. 

Edited March 5, 2018 by chucky

[Chrismo]

Just now, chucky said:

That's debatable. It probably was a reason for the search for someone for Sheldon, but then, they may have wanted someone to keep Sheldon busy so he left everyone alone. That way Sheldon would have someone else to annoy. 

Wouldn't though Howard be embarrassed not to have a girlfriend if he didn't have one himself?

[Swedish Chef]

21 minutes ago, MsGreentea said:

I think for Emmys an actor submits a reel in a category.  Jim and Johnny obviously think of themselves as leads and the industry agrees as they won or were nominated in that category.  I am sure everyone submits something every year.  Mayim presumably submitted herself and won as supporting.  Kaley and Simon won or were nominated for supporting by the critics.  I don’t know how that is determined but critics opinions are probably close to the industry standard.

Other awards (like people’s choice) probably don’t mean much in terms of categories.  

That said it is hard to argue against Kaley as a lead based both on her salary, her shows, and the fact that half the descriptions of the show on the web still talk about two guys and their neighbor who moves in next door.

Mayim hasn't won an Emmy yet, but she has won several other awards. 

[chucky]

4 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Wouldn't though Howard be embarrassed not to have a girlfriend if he didn't have one himself?

Yeah, but as I said, he probably wanted to take the pressure of Sheldon's annoying ass off of the rest of the gang. Penny would have still fixed Howard up with Bernadette anyway. That was the deal between Leonard and Howard. Sorry Rajesh.  

Edited March 5, 2018 by chucky

[Tensor]

12 minutes ago, chucky said:

We didn't agree before, and we're not now. All I am saying is that she definitely wasn't in them. 

And I'm simply pointing out, that she has been credited, and paid for, the same number of shows as Simon and Kunal.  And also pointing out paid for, and credited for, means she was legally in the show.  

 

25 minutes ago, chucky said:

Paid and credited aside, was she there, period?

That simply doesn't matter.   If you knew nothing about the show, and simply looked up how many shows each actor was in, you'll find that Kaley, Simon and Kunal all have been in  the same number.  

[chucky]

Just now, Tensor said:

And I'm simply pointing out, that she has been credited, and paid for, the same number of shows as Simon and Kunal.  And also pointing out paid for, and credited for, means she was legally in the show.  

 

That simply doesn't matter.   If you knew nothing about the show, and simply looked up how many shows each actor was in, you'll find that Kaley, Simon and Kunal all have been in  the same number.  

Still not answering the simple question. It don't matter, I've moved on.

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

11 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

It seems to me all fandoms should be grateful for Penny. Without her there would be no Lenny, Howdette or Shamy. Before someone says Penny had nothing to do with Shamy would Howard been looking for someone for Sheldon if he didn't have Bernadette?

Without Penny, there would be no Big Bang Theory.   By the way, I agree Penny is more important than Howard and Raj.  If you watch Season 1 they are treated more like secondary characters more than anything 

[Tensor]

Just now, chucky said:

Still not answering the simple question. It don't matter, I've moved on.

The simple answer is no, she wasn't seen in the show.  But that simply doesn't matter.  According to the show, she's been in all of them. 

[chucky]

Just now, Tensor said:

The simple answer is no, she wasn't seen in the show.  But that simply doesn't matter.  According to the show, she's been in all of them. 

That's all I'm asking. All that other stuff you saying matters not to me. The show can say she was legally in them all they want. They can credit her as being there and paying her as if she was there. My point was that she was not physically in the episodes. All that other infomation you are spewing is just a smoke screen.

[MsGreentea]

Well we do know that the show wanted her to be there because they had to shut down production and re-write scripts right?  She obviously had a contract for all the shows, and others presumably did not.  

[Tensor]

Just now, chucky said:

That's all I'm asking. All that other stuff you saying matters not to me. The show can say she was legally in them all they want. They can credit her as being there and paying her as if she was there. My point was that she was not physically in the episodes. All that other infomation you are spewing is just a smoke screen.

Actually, no it's not a smoke screen.  If, as you want to claim, she wasn't in the show, she would not have gotten paid, she would not have been credited.   She was paid and credited, so legally she was in the show.  Being there physically isn't necessary for her to be legally in the show.  

I've got it, write to her and the show's lawyers and point out that she wasn't physically there, so she shouldn't be paid nor given credit for the show, and see how far you get.  That should tell you how important your requirement that she be there is. 

[chucky]

3 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Actually, no it's not a smoke screen.  If, as you want to claim, she wasn't in the show, she would not have gotten paid, she would not have been credited.   She was paid and credited, so legally she was in the show.  Being there physically isn't necessary for her to be legally in the show.  

I've got it, write to her and the show's lawyers and point out that she wasn't physically there, so she shouldn't be paid nor given credit for the show, and see how far you get.  That should tell you how important your requirement that she be there is. 

You just won't let the smoke screen end. I said that she wasn't physically in the episodes, you agreed that she wasn't and now you come back with the same stuff. I agree that she is important to the show, I agree that she is credited for the episodes, Heck, I'll even agree that she got paid for being "in" the show. But that doesn't argue the fact that physically (as I have stated often) she was not there.

5 minutes ago, chucky said:

That should tell you how important your requirement that she be there is. 

Here you go putting words in my mouth, never once did I say her being there was any kind of a requirement. I just stated she wasn't physically in the episodes. You're bringing all these stats that has absolutely nothing to do with my statement.

[MsGreentea]

1 hour ago, Lagernisse said:

Mayim hasn't won an Emmy yet, but she has won several other awards. 

Okay sorry but she did have a bunch of nominations.  Of course what category they submit (supporting in her case) is also a bit of a game as some categories are often harder to win.  

[vonmar]

1 minute ago, MsGreentea said:

Okay sorry but she did have a bunch of nominations.  Of course what category they submit (supporting in her case) is also a bit of a game as some categories are often harder to win.  

For the Emmy Awards, Kaley submitted in the Lead Actress category for the first few years of TBBT and then switched to Supporting Actress in hopes of improving her chances for a nomination.  She has stayed in supporting ever since.

[Die Zimtzicke]

2 hours ago, Chrismo said:

Without her there would be no Lenny, Howdette or Shamy.

You do not think Howard and Raj would  have put Sheldon in the dating service without Penny? How did she figure into that? Sheldon was then friends with Amy for months before Penny even knew he had a female friend. I will give you Lenny and Howardette, but not so sure about Shamy. I think Raj and Howard would have found it a hilarious thing to do no matter what.

[Jonny]

17 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

You do not think Howard and Raj would  have put Sheldon in the dating service without Penny? How did she figure into that? Sheldon was then friends with Amy for months before Penny even knew he had a female friend. I will give you Lenny and Howardette, but not so sure about Shamy. I think Raj and Howard would have found it a hilarious thing to do no matter what.

Oh for sure:

[Tensor]

2 hours ago, chucky said:

You just won't let the smoke screen end. I said that she wasn't physically in the episodes, you agreed that she wasn't and now you come back with the same stuff. I agree that she is important to the show, I agree that she is credited for the episodes, Heck, I'll even agree that she got paid for being "in" the show. But that doesn't argue the fact that physically (as I have stated often) she was not there.

You didn't say physically, you said

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Although penny has been in every episode but two. 

I was simply pointing out, she has been in the same number of episodes as Howard and Raj, according to the show and CBS.   You seem to have some requirement, that to be in the show, she needs to be there physically, doing some acting, needed to be seen to be in the show.  The show, and CBS disagrees with your requirement she be there.  

 

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Here you go putting words in my mouth, never once did I say her being there was any kind of a requirement. I just stated she wasn't physically in the episodes. You're bringing all these stats that has absolutely nothing to do with my statement.

But you didn't state that she wasn't physically in the show, you said she's been in every episode but two.  The show, Warner Brothers, and CBS disagree with you, as for them, being in the show, is being credited for being in the show.

 

As for putting words in your mouth, To quote you, from just one post:

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All I am saying is that she definitely wasn't in them. Whether she was credited or paid for it, I don't care.

 

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Prove me wrong on whether she was actually seen in the episodes and spoke.

 

 

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I mean actually performing an acting job in those episodes. Paid and credited aside, was she there, period?

 

If her being there isn't a requirement, can you explain what you meant by the bolded?  Cause those comments, OF YOURS, sure sound as if her being there is a requirement.  

 

 

[chucky]

4 minutes ago, Tensor said:

You didn't say physically, you said

I was simply pointing out, she has been in the same number of episodes as Howard and Raj, according to the show and CBS.   You seem to have some requirement, that to be in the show, she needs to be there physically, doing some acting, needed to be seen to be in the show.  The show, and CBS disagrees with your requirement she be there.  

 

But you didn't state that she wasn't physically in the show, you said she's been in every episode but two.  The show, Warner Brothers, and CBS disagree with you, as for them, being in the show, is being credited for being in the show.

 

As for putting words in your mouth, To quote you, from just one post:

 

 

 

 

If her being there isn't a requirement, can you explain what you meant by the bolded?  Cause those comments, OF YOURS, sure sound as if her being there is a requirement.  

 

 

I'm done with this. No matter what I write you're come up with the same things you have been saying, your smoke screen. I've made my point, you agree she wasn't actually physically in the episodes. That's all I wanted to hear. Have a nice day!

[Tensor]

26 minutes ago, chucky said:

I'm done with this. No matter what I write you're come up with the same things you have been saying, your smoke screen. I've made my point, you agree she wasn't actually physically in the episodes. That's all I wanted to hear. Have a nice day!

And you agreed she was in the episode: 

 

3 hours ago, chucky said:

I agree that she is credited for the episodes, Heck, I'll even agree that she got paid for being "in" the show. 

 Which means she's been in the same number of episodes as Howard and Raj.  Not missing two, as you stated.   

3 hours ago, chucky said:

 But that doesn't argue the fact that physically (as I have stated often) she was not there.

But that's the whole thing, being physically there doesn't mean she doesn't get credit or pay, for being in the show,  contrary to your contention.  

 

[chucky]

1 hour ago, Tensor said:

And you agreed she was in the episode: 

 

 Which means she's been in the same number of episodes as Howard and Raj.  Not missing two, as you stated.   

But that's the whole thing, being physically there doesn't mean she doesn't get credit or pay, for being in the show,  contrary to your contention.  

 

Life goes on, even when you, tensor, is wrong.

[3ku11]

FYI according to IMDB the amount of episodes from the cast

Johnny Galecki 251 episodes

Jim Parsons 251 episodes

Kaley Cuoco 250 episodes

Simon Helberg 250 episodes

Kunal Nayyar 249 episodes

 

So Penny, Howard, and Raj have all been in the same amount of episodes relatively. OF course Penny is prob the key character in this series. Without Penny Sheldon nor Leonard would ever change their patterns or their lifestyle. Would not of forced Sheldon or Leonard to come out of their shell. Without Leonard, I Don't see Sheldon and Penny ever becoming friends. And of course without Penny their would be no Bernadette. As for Amy. Well Howard and Raj are the ones responsible for Shamy. 

[Tensor]

Just now, chucky said:

Life goes on, even when you, tensor, is wrong.

I'm not the one that's wrong.  I'm just pointing out what CBS, Warner Brothers, IMDB, the show itself say.  They say, she was in the show.  All that matters to those people are the credits.  You're the one that requires she be there physically to be included as being in the show.  Argue with them. 

Just now, Tensor said:

I'm not the one that's wrong.  I'm just pointing out what CBS, Warner Brothers, IMDB, the show itself say.  They say, she was in the show.  All that matters to those people are the credits.  You're the one that requires she be there physically to be included as being in the show.  Argue with them. 

ETA, note Skull's IMDB post.  

[chucky]

6 minutes ago, Tensor said:

I'm not the one that's wrong.  I'm just pointing out what CBS, Warner Brothers, IMDB, the show itself say.  They say, she was in the show.  All that matters to those people are the credits.  You're the one that requires she be there physically to be included as being in the show.  Argue with them. 

ETA, note Skull's IMDB post.  

I don't care. All you are going to is repeat everything over and over.