[Spoilers] Season 11 Discussion Thread

[veejay]

Sorry, but all I remember is just one real "traditionally manly" character.

#MeToo  anyone?

[chucky]

22 minutes ago, Mislav said:

LOL Please, tell me you are joking.

 

Also, Leonard confronted Kurt on three separate occasions... when was the last time, almost a decade ago? Didn't he go confront Kurt with Sheldon the first time around? And, in the end, what did he accomplish by confronting Kurt? Was he successful?

Whether he was successful or not, matters not one iota. The fact that he did stand up to someone taller, stronger and meaner than him speaks wonders of his resolve. Unlike Sheldon who shows his masculinity  by running from Howard and using Amy for a shield. That' really brave running from a 5 foot nothing weakling. I've seen more meat on a chicken wing and Sheldon couldn't handle that. Yes, Sheldon was there the first time and was totally useless. He bitched, moaned and groaned the whole time there. Good day and good bye. I have better things to do today.

14 minutes ago, veejay said:

Sorry, but all I remember is just one real "traditionally manly" character.

#MeToo  anyone?

If I am not mistaken that manly person punched Sheldon and Howard and kicked one guy between his legs. I think she would have gotten Raj, but twice he ran away like a little girl.  

Edited March 20, 2018 by chucky

[chucky]

Well, seems like only 28 more episodes to be taped. Unless of course they sign up for another year or two.

[Capt. Hilts]

1 hour ago, chucky said:

He confronted Kurt on three separate occasions. I do believe Sheldon ran like a baby on two of those occasions.

Personally, I feel Howard would have kicked his ass and Sheldon knew that as well. Otherwise why hide behind Amy?

Sheldon wasn't looking to get a sexual reward, as Leonard was.

It wasn't selflessness on Leonard's part.

Edited March 20, 2018 by Capt. Hilts

[legacy99]

Sheldon wasn't looking to get a sexual reward, as Leonard was.
It wasn't selflessness on Leonard's part.

Really. I don't think leonard was expecting sex the first day they met

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[joyceraye]

2 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

Really. I don't think leonard was expecting sex the first day they met

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It's Raj who expects that. He's been known to get it.

[Capt. Hilts]

4 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

Really. I don't think leonard was expecting sex the first day they met
 

He was interested in enhancing his profile as a potential sexual partner.

In creating a sitution in which she was in his debt.

Edited March 20, 2018 by Capt. Hilts

[legacy99]

He was interested in enhancing his profile as a potential sexual partner.
In creating a sitution in which she was in his debt.

Personally i think he was just happy that she talked to him

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[vonmar]

5 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

Personally i think he was just happy that she talked to him

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He was already planning their future....'smart and beautiful babies"

[ajond]

1 hour ago, Mislav said:

LOL Please, tell me you are joking.

 

Also, Leonard confronted Kurt on three separate occasions... when was the last time, almost a decade ago? Didn't he go confront Kurt with Sheldon the first time around? And, in the end, what did he accomplish by confronting Kurt? Was he successful?

Didn't Kurt return Penny's money the next day? I'd call that MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

[legacy99]

He was already planning their future....'smart and beautiful babies"

That's true but how serious was he

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[vonmar]

5 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

That's true but how serious was he

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A bullied nerd who was raised by an overbearing mother who had a lunatic roommate as his backup went to try and get a TV back from a neanderthal?

He was serious.

Edited March 20, 2018 by vonmar

[legacy99]

A bullied nerd with an overbearing mother and a lunatic roommate as his backup went to try and get a TV back from a neanderthal?
He was serious.

Ok we just disagree

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[April]

Just now, vonmar said:

A bullied nerd with an overbearing mother and a lunatic roommate as his backup went to try and get a TV back from a neanderthal?

He was serious.

We just had an episode where the joke was that he picked out names pretty much immediately. lol

[legacy99]

We just had an episode where the joke was that he picked out names pretty much immediately. lol

I don't think Leonard really figured he was going to end up with penny. He may have dreamed about it but that would be the closest he would come at that point

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[MsGreentea]

Does a joke written about something 11 years later show intent?  Personally I think he was daydreaming just like the girl who looks at the cute  guy she likes and writes Mrs John Doe all over her notebook.  But he was hoping Penny would gave him the time of day, and he wanted to help.

[3ku11]

I think Leonard wanted to sleep with Penny. I mean all the guys did, not Sheldon of course. But that diddn't mean Sheldon cared about Penny's welfare. He just diddn't care about anyone or anything full stop LOL. But a man who wanted or thought about their babies on episode one. Suggests he wanted a more meaingful relationship then just a casual relationship. I don't think a joke written about something 11 years later shows intent either. Leonard was just hopeful Penny would give Leonard the time of day. And by the second season they were good friends.

And besides Leonard accomplished in getting her money back from Kurt. He bought here a car in Season 7 to help her with her life. Leonard tough love was also what she needed at that time. Opposed to Sheldon who would simply throw Penny or anyone in his life under a bus, for a snickers wrapper. I am being fascious, kinda of. I think that was prooven in the Season 7 episode The Friendship Turbalence. Sheldon goes my game night is more important then your life. And Leonard

Edited March 20, 2018 by 3ku11

[Chrismo]

1 hour ago, Mislav said:

LOL Please, tell me you are joking.

 

Missy used to be Sheldon up on a regular basis.

[vonmar]

13 minutes ago, ajond said:

Didn't Kurt return Penny's money the next day? I'd call that MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Season One - the pilot guys tried to get the TV back and failed

Season One - the Halloween party, Leonard confronts Kurt, almost gets beat up and leaves the party.  Drunk Penny comes over to 4A and kisses Leonard.

Season Two - Leonard went to get Penny's money back and failed.  The next day Kurt returned her money and Penny and Kurt started going out again.

[veejay]

1 hour ago, Mislav said:

.... And don't trivialize #MeToo.

In this context I would like to hear your explanation of the term "traditionally manly".

Edited March 20, 2018 by veejay

[Chrismo]

38 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

Sheldon wasn't looking to get a sexual reward, as Leonard was.

It wasn't selflessness on Leonard's part.

Look at Amy look at Penny..

though Leonard has done many things for Penny not expecting sex.

[veejay]

12 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Look at Amy look at Penny..

though Leonard has done many things for Penny not expecting sex.

Oh, be careful with your thesis.
As a reminder:

L: To this day, I can't see a Sandra Bullock movie poster without getting both bored and aroused....
P: Okay, so while we were going out, how often would you pretend to like things just to have sex with me?
L: All the time....
S5 - The Ornithophobia Diffusion

 

Edited March 20, 2018 by veejay

[April]

Just now, veejay said:

Oh, be careful with your thesis.
As a reminder:

L: To this day, I can't see a Sandra Bullock movie poster without getting both bored and aroused....
S5 - The Ornithophobia Diffusion

To add the whole thing:

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Penny: Okay, so while we were going out, how often would you pretend to like things just to have sex with me?

Leonard: All the time.

Penny: You’re kidding.

Leonard: Does this sound familiar? I’d love to go shoe shopping with you. Hiking? It’s great. It’s two a.m., of course I want to go to Korea Town and sing karaoke with your friends. Who wouldn’t?

Penny: Okay, we were going out. You were going to get sex anyway.

Leonard: Really? You would have slept with me after a three-hour documentary on dams?

Penny: No. No woman would.

 

He literally admits to it so it just might not be the best claim to make, just saying. lol

Problem is the writers are kinda flip flopping around the "Leonard is a nice guy" baseline. Sometimes they make him a genuinely nice guy and sometimes they make him a Nice Guy™.

[chucky]

1 hour ago, Capt. Hilts said:

Sheldon wasn't looking to get a sexual reward, as Leonard was.

It wasn't selflessness on Leonard's part.

oh please!

[3ku11]

Why is it an argument Sheldon wasen't trying to get sexual reward from Penny? Back then he diddn't want sexual reward from anything. So if Sheldon even considered helping Penny out it would be for his own selfish wants and needs, not to benefit anyone else. 

And I am not sure using an argument after they had dated. About how Leonard would do stuff with her to get sex is applicable his intent. The argument was from what I have read. About him getting Kurt's money back. The intent before he entered in a relationship with Penny. I don't think it matters his intent was or his thinking was when he was in a relationship with Penny. And even if he did stuff with Penny. Like go to boring movies he did not like, hang out with ehr friends, to get sex e.t.c. So what. That's funny. And besides in that episode where Leonard goes oh I did things with you to get sex. I never took it exclusively. As that was the only reason he did those things.

I mean what else is his motivation to do things he does not enjoy with Penny? Anymore then Penny's motivations are to do things with Leonard she does not enjoy. Like in Season 6 watching Buffy. Did Penny do that to get sex lol? Nope. But in Leonards case he was being smart. He wasen't interested in Pennys things. But he knew Penny could have any guy, and she choose him. So I Think him going "Oh I did it to get sex". Was just a facisious way of being clever about it. And besides I recall Penny going I like this new take charge Leonard. So why does it matter.  And I think Leonard is a nice guy. Prob the nicest in the whole series. The amount of stuff he does for his friends, particilarly Sheldon. And he constantly gets taken for granted. 

Edited March 20, 2018 by 3ku11