[Spoilers] Season 11 Discussion Thread

[vonmar]

19 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Why is it an argument Sheldon wasen't trying to get sexual reward from Penny? Back then he diddn't want sexual reward from anything. So if Sheldon even considered helping Penny out it would be for his own selfish wants and needs, not to benefit anyone else. 

And I am not sure using an argument after they had dated. About how Leonard would do stuff with her to get sex is applicable his intent. The argument was from what I have read. About him getting Kurt's money back. The intent before he entered in a relationship with Penny. I don't think it matters his intent was or his thinking was when he was in a relationship with Penny. And even if he did stuff with Penny. Like go to boring movies he did not like, hang out with ehr friends, to get sex e.t.c. So what. That's funny. And besides in that episode where Leonard goes oh I did things with you to get sex. I never took it exclusively. As that was the only reason he did those things.

I mean what else is his motivation to do things he does not enjoy with Penny? Anymore then Penny's motivations are to do things with Leonard she does not enjoy. Like in Season 6 watching Buffy. Did Penny do that to get sex lol? Nope. But in Leonards case he was being smart. He wasen't interested in Pennys things. But he knew Penny could have any guy, and she choose him. So I Think him going "Oh I did it to get sex". Was just a facisious way of being clever about it. And besides I recall Penny going I like this new take charge Leonard. So why does it matter.  And I think Leonard is a nice guy. Prob the nicest in the whole series. The amount of stuff he does for his friends, particilarly Sheldon. And he constantly gets taken for granted. 

What was his motivation in "The Financial Permeability"?  Sheldon gave Penny money so she could pay her rent, what was his selfish need or want in that case?

[ajond]

25 minutes ago, vonmar said:

What was his motivation in "The Financial Permeability"?  Sheldon gave Penny money so she could pay her rent, what was his selfish need or want in that case?

Perhaps another way he could get someone to be subservient to him.

[vonmar]

1 minute ago, ajond said:

Perhaps another way he could get someone to be subservient to him.

I can direct you to the episode transcript, he wanted nothing from her.

[Die Zimtzicke]

3 hours ago, chucky said:

Personally, I feel Howard would have kicked his ass and Sheldon knew that as well. Otherwise why hide behind Amy?

I can't see Howard kicking anyone's ass personally. It's just not in him as I view him.

3 hours ago, chucky said:

Well, seems like only 28 more episodes to be taped. Unless of course they sign up for another year or two.

I don't want that. I think it's done.

[ajond]

Just now, vonmar said:

I can direct you to the episode transcript, he wanted nothing from her.

 

Just now, vonmar said:

I can direct you to the episode transcript, he wanted nothing from her.

Of course he's not going to come straight out and say it. However it would come in very useful to have her beholden to him when he wanted his chest rubbed or be driven to a train store or to exchange his bed sheets or his first date. There are 101 things he would expect his 'friends' to do for him, so he was probably building up some credit.

[vonmar]

Just now, ajond said:

 

Of course he's not going to come straight out and say it. However it would come in very useful to have her beholden to him when he wanted his chest rubbed or be driven to a train store or to exchange his bed sheets or his first date. There are 101 things he would expect his 'friends' to do for him, so he was probably building up some credit.

That is not reflected in the episode. 

If you believe that was his motive, fine you are entitled to do so, but this particular episode has no evidence to support that assumption.

[ajond]

1 minute ago, vonmar said:

That is not reflected in the episode. 

If you believe that was his motive, fine you are entitled to do so, but this particular episode has no evidence to support that assumption.

Not that episode perhaps, just the whole series.

[vonmar]

Just now, ajond said:

Not that episode perhaps, just the whole series.

Penny Blossoms, when Sheldon came over to 4B and made Penny Blossoms and sang sea shanties with her.  There had to be a nefarious plan behind that behavior, because you know, that's how Sheldon rolls. 

[Capt. Hilts]

5 hours ago, chucky said:

Whether he was successful or not, matters not one iota. The fact that he did stand up to someone taller, stronger and meaner than him speaks wonders of his resolve.

To have a relationship with Penny.

[legacy99]

To have a relationship with Penny.

How dare leonard do something like that thru all the centuries men have ignored women and leonard screws it up for all men by trying to impress a woman

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[joyceraye]

2 hours ago, vonmar said:

What was his motivation in "The Financial Permeability"?  Sheldon gave Penny money so she could pay her rent, what was his selfish need or want in that case?

Sheldon's scientist's mind saw a problem with a simple solution that he could apply. He didn't need a motive or an incentive.

1 hour ago, vonmar said:

Penny Blossoms, when Sheldon came over to 4B and made Penny Blossoms and sang sea shanties with her.  There had to be a nefarious plan behind that behavior, because you know, that's how Sheldon rolls. 

He got irritated by  seeing something not being done properly but which could be accomplished  with his intervention. So he intervened.

[chucky]

45 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

To have a relationship with Penny.

So you say. No evidence to support that assumption other than his infatuation with Penny.

2 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I can't see Howard kicking anyone's ass personally. It's just not in him as I view him.

I don't want that. I think it's done.

Who knows what will happen. If all parties can agree to it, it could very well happen.

45 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

To have a relationship with Penny.

Sure he probably wanted a relationship with the lady of his dreams across the hallway. I think that there was a better way than risking his life messing with Kurt. He tried to help her because she was his friend. Albeit a beautiful friend.

Edited March 21, 2018 by chucky

[Carlos]

10 hours ago, Chiany said:

They are an engaged couple, very much in love. Ofcourse they spent time in bed

And yet they have sex only once a year ...

[Mario D.]

2 hours ago, vonmar said:

That is not reflected in the episode. 

If you believe that was his motive, fine you are entitled to do so, but this particular episode has no evidence to support that assumption.

And if you believe alot of the fan fiction stories out there about Shenny, Sheldon had many of the same desires Leonard had

[Carlos]

15 hours ago, Capt. Hilts said:

Sheldon wasn't looking to get a sexual reward, as Leonard was.

It wasn't selflessness on Leonard's part.

You are wrong on that one. If that had been the case he would have shown her what  Kurt wrote on his forehead to generate more sympathy and possibility of copulation, but instead of that he decided to cover it with that ridiculous beanie.

And selfless or not it was brave.

[3ku11]

What do you want to say Leonard is flawed? Leonard is not perfect duh. Neither is Sheldon. Neither are any of the characters. Not sure why this is suddenly became such a hot topic of conversation around here. Yes Leonard kissed Mandy, yes Sheldon got kissed. So what. 

I Think the original argument was Leonards intent, and his character motivations compared to Sheldon. I don't think in this case Leonard was looking for sexual favors from Penny. IF he was, he would be looking for copulation. And surley if he wanted to proove to Penny Kurt was such a jerk. He would of showed Penny his forehead to gain more sympathy. Sheldon offers his emergency funds to everyone. Same with his offering bevarages. But Leonard is the one who actually got her money back. So I am not sure motivations people think Leonard had. 

[bfm]

 

8 hours ago, Capt. Hilts said:

He was interested in enhancing his profile as a potential sexual partner.

In creating a sitution in which she was in his debt.

And getting Kurt to give her back the money and not telling her it was because of him, even when she goes on a date with Kurt as a thank you, is the perfect way to do that...?

[3ku11]

3 minutes ago, bfm said:

 

And getting Kurt to give her back the money and not telling her it was because of him, even when she goes on a date with Kurt as a thank you, is the perfect way to do that...?

Yeah I would like some to point out when he was getting sexual favors. Went to Kurt behind Penny's back. Got him to pay the money back. Leonard does not tell Penny it was because of him. Penny to groans in the audience ends up wearing a sexy little number to a date with Kurt. Sheldon is like "I envy you Leonard". Yes his masterplan worked!

[bfm]

9 hours ago, April said:

To add the whole thing:

He literally admits to it so it just might not be the best claim to make, just saying. lol

Problem is the writers are kinda flip flopping around the "Leonard is a nice guy" baseline. Sometimes they make him a genuinely nice guy and sometimes they make him a Nice Guy™.

I kind of agree with you.  I think Leonard is generally a good guy. However, they sometimes use him for "Man does whatever woman wants, for sex" jokes.

 

As for Orthinophobia, I also think he was making it somewhat more "sexual libido" driven than it was. Remember he was trying to down-play his feelings for her in that episode.

Edited March 21, 2018 by bfm
Better phrasing

[3ku11]

I think they flip flop on Leonard being a take charge kinda guy, and being needy more. Penny in Season 5 episode liked Leonard was more take charge. But they do flip flip on that. 

 

[chucky]

7 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

I think they flip flop on Leonard being a take charge kinda guy, and being needy more. Penny in Season 5 episode liked Leonard was more take charge. But they do flip flip on that. 

 

I think that whether Leonard is "needy" or "take charge", depends on how the wind blows in the writers room. They go with whatever they think is funny. They either don't pay attention to how they write the characters or they just don't care. As long as they think it's funny, they will go with it. Maybe it's past time to hire non writers to read the scripts before hand to test if it's funny.

Edited March 21, 2018 by chucky

[April]

43 minutes ago, bfm said:

I kind of agree with you.  I think Leonard is generally a good guy. However, they sometimes use him for "Man does whatever woman wants, for sex" jokes.

 

As for Orthinophobia, I also think he was making it somewhat more "sexual libido" driven than it was. Remember he was trying to down-play his feelings for her in that episode.

Sure you could look at it like this but in the end it still boils down to this "Man does whatever woman wants, for sex" joke that ain't a good look on Leonard. I wish the show would have refrained from this Nice Guy™ BS over the years but then again it's written by mostly a bunch of guys so what can ya expect? ugh

[chucky]

17 minutes ago, April said:

Sure you could look at it like this but in the end it still boils down to this "Man does whatever woman wants, for sex" joke that ain't a good look on Leonard. I wish the show would have refrained from this Nice Guy™ BS over the years but then again it's written by mostly a bunch of guys so what can ya expect? ugh

Well, it must have worked, the nerd married the cheerleader. That's what makes fairy tales so endearing. They are mostly past their issues. As long as the writers keep their heads out of their asses.  

Edited March 21, 2018 by chucky

[bfm]

47 minutes ago, chucky said:

Well, it must have worked, the nerd married the cheerleader. That's what makes fairy tales so endearing. They are mostly past their issues. As long as the writers keep their heads out of their asses.  

There is also the cheerleader, party-girl who married the genuis angle that they tend to overlook. IMO, when they do go there it gives the story more depth but that is a rarity.

[chucky]

7 minutes ago, bfm said:

There is also the cheerleader, party-girl who married the genuis angle that they tend to overlook. IMO, when they do go there it gives the story more depth but that is a rarity.

You are so right. Either way, Cheerleader/Nerd or Cheerleader-Party girl/Genius-Scientist angle works for me.