[Spoilers] Season 11 Discussion Thread

[veejay]

Just a brief thought...

[Capt. Hilts]

4 hours ago, April said:

Sure you could look at it like this but in the end it still boils down to this "Man does whatever woman wants, for sex" joke that ain't a good look on Leonard. I wish the show would have refrained from this Nice Guy™ BS over the years but then again it's written by mostly a bunch of guys so what can ya expect? ugh

 

The show has shown that Leonard will do ANYthing for sex, which we expect of Howard, but Leonard has been depicted as just as opportunistic.  The North Korean spy, the elderly donor, Raj's sister [broke a promise], Howard's date the night she had a date with Howard, etc.  In real life the latter two are often relationship breakers.  Leonard is living  the Geeky Guy Fantasy on behalf of the writers and many viewers.  Challenge that at your peril!

[Mislav]

10 hours ago, Carlos said:

And yet they have sex only once a year ...

Sheldon is not required to adjust his sex drive to Amy's. Both parties have to be willing to have sex, and there is more to a relationship than sex.

[Chrismo]

1 hour ago, Capt. Hilts said:

 

The show has shown that Leonard will do ANYthing for sex, which we expect of Howard, but Leonard has been depicted as just as opportunistic.  The North Korean spy, the elderly donor, Raj's sister [broke a promise], Howard's date the night she had a date with Howard, etc.  In real life the latter two are often relationship breakers.  Leonard is living  the Geeky Guy Fantasy on behalf of the writers and many viewers.  Challenge that at your peril!

As mentioned earlier I think showing his forehead with black marker. I think Leonard may have been opportunistic but Howard was more creepy. I have never heard Leonard on here ever called creepy.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Chrismo

[legacy99]

Sheldon is not required to adjust his sex drive to Amy's. Both parties have to be willing to have sex, and there is more to a relationship than sex.

It's kind of interesting that sheldon doesn't have to change but Amy does

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[Mislav]

4 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

It's kind of interesting that sheldon doesn't have to change but Amy does

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Who said that Amy has to change?

[bfm]

1 hour ago, Capt. Hilts said:

 

The show has shown that Leonard will do ANYthing for sex, which we expect of Howard, but Leonard has been depicted as just as opportunistic.  The North Korean spy, the elderly donor, Raj's sister [broke a promise], Howard's date the night she had a date with Howard, etc.  In real life the latter two are often relationship breakers.  Leonard is living  the Geeky Guy Fantasy on behalf of the writers and many viewers.  Challenge that at your peril!

The drunk girl (you know who) he was infatuated with and rejected, the girl who he stopped when she was about to have sex with him because he had a girlfriend (not that it was okay that he kissed her and went over to her but your argument was that he would do anything for sex)...

[legacy99]

Who said that Amy has to change?

You said sheldon didnt need to change to Amy's ideal sex schedule so to me that means Amy has to change

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[Mislav]

Just now, legacy99 said:

You said sheldon didnt need to change to Amy's ideal sex schedule so to me that means Amy has to change

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No. That means that she doesn't get to have sex as often as she'd like just because she feels like it. Her desires won't change, but their relationship is not mainly about sex. And even if it that were a change, it is better than making somebody engage in sex just because one party wants it.

[chucky]

5 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

You said sheldon didnt need to change to Amy's ideal sex schedule so to me that means Amy has to change

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I think that poor Amy has changed. She's accepted the option of having coitus once a year on her birthday. Which means in a way Sheldon has as well, since he didn't want to do coitus at all. All in all, it's still Sheldon's way or the highway. According to the writers and show runner, Sheldon's the golden cow and can do no wrong.

Edited March 21, 2018 by chucky

[Capt. Hilts]

12 minutes ago, bfm said:

The drunk girl (you know who) he was infatuated with and rejected, the girl who he stopped when she was about to have sex with him because he had a girlfriend (not that it was okay that he kissed her and went over to her but your argument was that he would do anything for sex)...

Doesn't negate what he has done.

Again, I think gender is a factor in how we perceive these issues.

[April]

2 minutes ago, Mislav said:

No. That means that she doesn't get to have sex as often as she'd like just because she feels like it. Her desires won't change, but their relationship is not mainly about sex. And even if it that were a change, it is better than making somebody engage in sex just because one party wants it.

It's not like Amy has ever said "I want sex [X] amount of times per year!" and Sheldon replied "Well, you get one!" So far Amy seems to be quite alright with the arrangement which isn't even strictly once a year as 10x23 showed. So I don't think whatever sex drive she has is massively different from Sheldon's.

And making someone engage in sex against their will is called rape. Consent is important and has been portrayed as such especially with Shamy's relationship in that they're explicitly establishing consent each and every time by asking, setting the mood and even making sure to not do it for the wrong reasons. So yeah, the low frequency might be a bit silly but in general there's nothing wrong with their sex life as such.

[chucky]

2 minutes ago, April said:

It's not like Amy has ever said "I want sex [X] amount of times per year!" and Sheldon replied "Well, you get one!" So far Amy seems to be quite alright with the arrangement which isn't even strictly once a year as 10x23 showed. So I don't think whatever sex drive she has is massively different from Sheldon's.

And making someone engage in sex against their will is called rape. Consent is important and has been portrayed as such especially with Shamy's relationship in that they're explicitly establishing consent each and every time by asking, setting the mood and even making sure to not do it for the wrong reasons. So yeah, the low frequency might be a bit silly but in general there's nothing wrong with their sex life as such.

She looks at her two best friends(Penny and Bernadette), sees what their husbands and at a time boyfriends and fiance's have done and given them and yearns for the same treatment. But has  resolved to herself that Sheldon will never do that for her. Unless the writers make drastic changes in Sheldon. 

[Chrismo]

2 hours ago, Capt. Hilts said:

 

The show has shown that Leonard will do ANYthing for sex, which we expect of Howard, but Leonard has been depicted as just as opportunistic.  The North Korean spy, the elderly donor, Raj's sister [broke a promise], Howard's date the night she had a date with Howard, etc.  In real life the latter two are often relationship breakers.  Leonard is living  the Geeky Guy Fantasy on behalf of the writers and many viewers.  Challenge that at your peril!

 

32 minutes ago, bfm said:

The drunk girl (you know who) he was infatuated with and rejected, the girl who he stopped when she was about to have sex with him because he had a girlfriend (not that it was okay that he kissed her and went over to her but your argument was that he would do anything for sex)...

 

19 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

Doesn't negate what he has done.

.

But it does negate your original statement

[chucky]

Try, as I will, I can only think of one person Leonard did something for that could be thought of as doing it for sex. That's Penny. Pryia was mutual, Dr Stefanie was all over him (only hung with Howard so as to drive the Mars Rover), Mrs Latham (University Donor) threw herself at him. Joy, the woman Bernadette fixed him up with, threw herself at him. Alice, he stopped after one kiss because he had Pryia and although she was available to him, he turned down Alex's advances. I don't know where your statement about his doing anything for sex has merit. Penny, most of those he did as a friend. 

[April]

5 minutes ago, chucky said:

She looks at her two best friends(Penny and Bernadette), sees what their husbands and at a time boyfriends and fiance's have done and given them and yearns for the same treatment. But has  resolved to herself that Sheldon will never do that for her. Unless the writers make drastic changes in Sheldon. 

Most of these things were literally years ago and their relationship has already changed a lot since. The last thing we heard Amy yearn for was marriage cause she knew Sheldon had that ring but didn't bother to ask the question at that time so of course she was insecure (not to mention it was a bit over the top for the joke). But that was over a year ago and they're on the way to marriage now, complete with Sheldon seemingly more than ready to start a big family with her, so I don't see her being particularly uncertain about their future.

She has said she loves Sheldon the way he is and we've seen them engage frequently in their weird quirky way of flirting - I don't think Amy would literally want someone like Leonard or Howard. For her the brain is the most attractive asset which is something she wouldn't find with the other guys.

[chucky]

6 minutes ago, April said:

Most of these things were literally years ago and their relationship has already changed a lot since. The last thing we heard Amy yearn for was marriage cause she knew Sheldon had that ring but didn't bother to ask the question at that time so of course she was insecure (not to mention it was a bit over the top for the joke). But that was over a year ago and they're on the way to marriage now, complete with Sheldon seemingly more than ready to start a big family with her, so I don't see her being particularly uncertain about their future.

She has said she loves Sheldon the way he is and we've seen them engage frequently in their weird quirky way of flirting - I don't think Amy would literally want someone like Leonard or Howard. For her the brain is the most attractive asset which is something she wouldn't find with the other guys.

Okay-dokay. I disagree.

[Chrismo]

5 minutes ago, April said:

Most of these things were literally years ago and their relationship has already changed a lot since. The last thing we heard Amy yearn for was marriage cause she knew Sheldon had that ring but didn't bother to ask the question at that time so of course she was insecure (not to mention it was a bit over the top for the joke). But that was over a year ago and they're on the way to marriage now, complete with Sheldon seemingly more than ready to start a big family with her, so I don't see her being particularly uncertain about their future.

 

So your taking Sheldon's wanting 15 kids as gospel?

[April]

7 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

So your taking Sheldon's wanting 15 kids as gospel?

What part of "Sheldon seemingly more than ready to start a big family" says "I totally think they will have 15 kids!" ???

[Jonny]

I think you have to take it that Amy and Sheldon are fine about their sex life, it it wasn't then it would be brought up and discussed with them or if it couldn't work and they never agreed then they would break up. Amy has broken up with Sheldon before don't forget because she wasn't happy about many aspects of their relationship with intimacy and commitment both being factors. So yeah I think you have to take the fact they are clearly in love and very happy the state their relationship is in that there is no issue there.

Sex lives are always a tricky subject because each couple or person is different and it's no different with Sheldon and Amy. I take the view if they enjoy it (which they clearly do) then there is no harm in doing it more often in fact I think and this sounds cheesy there are benefits to it lol. But their arrangement if you want to call it that works for them, so why should we judge? We wouldn't in real life, that would be the wrong thing to do.

So yes I don't think you can judge and unless you actually see evidence that one of them is unhappy and desires more intimacy then you have to assume they are fine in regards to that aspect of their relationship.

[Chrismo]

6 minutes ago, April said:

What part of "Sheldon seemingly more than ready to start a big family" says "I totally think they will have 15 kids!" ???

Sheldon has never shown interest in kids on the show. His sisters birth for example. Him wanting kids IMO is totally OOC.

1 minute ago, Jonny said:

I think you have to take it that Amy and Sheldon are fine about their sex life, it it wasn't then it would be brought up and discussed with them or if it couldn't work and they never agreed then they would break up. Amy has broken up with Sheldon before don't forget because she wasn't happy about many aspects of their relationship with intimacy and commitment both being factors. So yeah I think you have to take the fact they are clearly in love and very happy the state their relationship is in that there is no issue there.

Sex lives are always a tricky subject because each couple or person is different and it's no different with Sheldon and Amy. I take the view if they enjoy it (which they clearly do) then there is no harm in doing it more often in fact I think and this sounds cheesy there are benefits to it lol. But their arrangement if you want to call it that works for them, so why should we judge? We wouldn't in real life, that would be the wrong thing to do.

So yes I don't think you can judge and unless you actually see evidence that one of them is unhappy and desires more intimacy then you have to assume they are fine in regards to that aspect of their relationship.

It was a factor for a long while on the show. The issue IMO at this point looks like it has been dropped because of lack of interest again IMO.

[Jonny]

1 minute ago, Chrismo said:

Sheldon has never shown interest in kids on the show. His sisters birth for example. Him wanting kids IMO is totally OOC.

How many years ago was that? This show is all about people getting older and changing, yearning for new things that life has to offer. Unless you are Raj of course lol.

[chucky]

9 minutes ago, April said:

What part of "Sheldon seemingly more than ready to start a big family" says "I totally think they will have 15 kids!" ???

Well, I feel sorry for Amy having to carry those 15 kids.

[Chrismo]

Just now, Jonny said:

How many years ago was that? This show is all about people getting older and changing, yearning for new things that life has to offer. Unless you are Raj of course lol.

But the topic of children really hasn't been discussed till the one episode. So the viewer is suppose to ignore previous years and go by his statement of 15 kids.

[April]

3 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Sheldon has never shown interest in kids on the show. His sisters birth for example. Him wanting kids IMO is totally OOC.

He has never shown interest in other people's kids. The prospect of having kids with Amy however? He's been excited about that since they met. I mean, literally, that's what 4x01 is about.

1 minute ago, chucky said:

Well, I feel sorry for Amy having to carry those 15 kids.

He immediately said in the episode he doesn't expect Amy to carry them.