legacy99 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 That means all 7 haven't bullied anyone on the show?I think Bernadette fits that description with no problem when it come to Howard Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivesAWhit Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Tonstar17 said: Sorry, how are those instances bullying? Blowing off leonard was just plain rude and laughing at the old man falling is not bullying unless she pushed him. bullying use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something. "a local man was bullied into helping them" Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk Tonstar, bullying takes many forms and very often consists of mocking, humiliating, denigrating or laughing at others, or dismissing something which is important to someone else. What do you think online bullying is made of? Using the very definition you supply, Penny routinely "influences" Leonard, overtly, covertly or through his own fault due to his desire to please. I really don't want to post a litany of Penny's transgressions such that I end up being the one who "ruins Raiders of the Lost Arc" for anyone. I'm trying to express what is to you an unorthodox point of view without being too vigorous about it. I can however energetically defend my opinion with numerous additional examples, if you insist. Why not instead take up my previous offer to agree to disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 That means all 7 haven't bullied anyone on the show?Im not following your trail of thought here, but thinking about it again, maybe penny forcing leonard to go see Dr Gello could be seen as a form of bullying.Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsGreentea Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 I wouldn’t describe any of the characters as a bully’s (now). They can all be selfish and Manipulative at times (for Sheldon almost 100 percent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonmar Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Mayim writes about meeting Mark Hamill yesterday..... When Mayim met Mark Hamill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucky Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) On 4/19/2018 at 1:50 PM, legacy99 said: I think Bernadette fits that description with no problem when it come to Howard Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk I think fits Bernadette with every one, not just Howard. Need I remind you how she acted to Leonard during the scavenger hunt, as well as, when the girls went to Disney Land to be made over into Princesses? Edited April 21, 2018 by chucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, GivesAWhit said: When something cruel is said behind someone's back, they don't know it, do they? Yet to me that, or any act of unkindness or disregard contributes to or can in fact be, bullying. And yes, nearly everyone in the world has the capacity to be a bully, to a greater (Bernadette, Sheldon) or lesser (Penny, Howard) degree. I think one's outlook on the subject will of course depend on his upbringing, value system and life experiences. I grew up tall and fit, so I was all to often thrust into the role of "defender". It left me with absolutely no tolerance for meanness. I cannot even comprehend how at any age, I would bind a teenage girl, gag her with a corn cob and leave her terrified overnight in a cornfield. At any age. For any reason. I agree with the poster who described that episode as the worst of the entire TBBT run. While you fuss about how my remarks reflect on your favourite character, I am thinking of all the people, children and adults, who will spend tonight in a real or virtual cornfield. I think the writers for kicks go out of their way to make Penny look worse than other character. As you pointed out the bullying was bad. But they have also had the episode about how she may be a "slut" because of how many guys she slept with. In many of Penny's things she has done have not been on the show. Her Vegas marriage. Her hook up with a 34 year old guy among other stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jonny Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, vonmar said: Mayim writes about meeting Mark Hamill yesterday..... When Mayim met Mark Hamill Sounds way more than just a cameo, many scenes according to Mayim. Fascinated to see how they are going to fit it all in, oh and Shamy are getting married as well. 18 guest cast members, wow! Edited April 19, 2018 by Jonny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, vonmar said: Mayim writes about meeting Mark Hamill yesterday..... When Mayim met Mark Hamill I actually enjoyed that. Typically I find anything she writes a bit goofy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivesAWhit Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, vonmar said: Mayim writes about meeting Mark Hamill yesterday..... When Mayim met Mark Hamill How funny and charming! I personally have no interest in Star Wars, but I'm quite chuffed for the cast (and the characters as well.) I made myself laugh wondering if they presented Hamill with a Death Star cake. 7 minutes ago, Chrismo said: I think the writers for kicks go out of their way to make Penny look worse than other character. As you pointed out the bullying was bad. But they have also had the episode about how she may be a "slut" because of how many guys she slept with. In many of Penny's things she has done have not been on the show. Her Vegas marriage. Her hook up with a 34 year old guy among other stories. I absolutely agree - it often feels like gratuitous chain-yanking. I dislike disliking her as I often do. They even cast her as the self-deluded Blanche DuBois. Now there was a telling creative choice - UGH. 8 minutes ago, Jonny said: Sounds way more than just a cameo, many scenes according to Mayim. Fascinated to see how they are going to fit it all in, oh and Shamy are getting married as well. 18 guest cast members, wow! Huh. I'm starting to feel like the wedding is going to be an afterthought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfm Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, GivesAWhit said: Yes, the parent-child relationship between Howard and Bernadette was really extreme at one point. It has diminished somewhat of late though, thank goodness. While I agree that it is not as apparent with Leonard and Penny, Amy, Bernadette, Leonard, even Sheldon had fulfilling careers, were able to handle their finances responsibly, and kept tidy homes where they lived independently. Penny, OTOH, expected stardom to drop from the sky and was sending underwear selfies to the utility company. The main problem was that Leonard was so eager to please her and knew she was quick-tempered, so he was always loathe to steer her too energetically towards adulthood. Again, I'm not saying she wasn't immature. A person can help/insipire another to mature without their relationship dynamic being like a parents and child's. 2 hours ago, GivesAWhit said: She proved she could change a diaper, warm a bottle and put a baby down for a nap. My 10 year old nephew has managed that. Gah, the grunt work involved with a toddler in the house is mind-boggling. As a fairly new and very hands-on father, I don't see Penny embracing the ensuing workload with any degree of enthusiasm. I gave the Halley example to show that Penny can be more responsible than she is given credit for, even by her friends and husband. I think that was also the goal of this story. Edited April 19, 2018 by bfm typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Trying to work out the 18: Bates, Teller, Hamill Metcalf, Henggeler, O'Connell Ross Bowie, WW, Lapkus, Posehn (Is Bert still classed as a guest?) Anyone I am missing? I make that 10. I guess some of the other guest actors could be playing minor roles, at say the wedding venue or something. Maybe Amy's parents like I said on the Shamy thread might not have been on that press release earlier in the week? Wonder if there are some big names we don't know about yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidergirl Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 43 minutes ago, vonmar said: Mayim writes about meeting Mark Hamill yesterday..... When Mayim met Mark Hamill 18 guest stars cast, just wow! More curious than ever, this season finale may be a true blast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivesAWhit Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Penny has moved on and matured. The people she hurt in the past have no escape from what was inflicted on them. They do indeed have a life sentence, so to speak. That is my main objection - perpetrators grow up and move on, la-di-da. Victims don't have that luxury. As for Sheldon, as I explained to legacy99, unfortunately a number of posts were hidden this morning, among them my detailed observations and critiques of Sheldon. This is unfortunate, because I am positively SEETHING at the idea that I would be perceived as lacking objectivity. If I had copied those remarks, I would repost them. To be brief, I do not absolve him of any intentional negative behaviour, despite his issues or "conditions". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucky Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, GivesAWhit said: She proved she could change a diaper, warm a bottle and put a baby down for a nap. My 10 year old nephew has managed that. Did your 10 year old nephew have to deal with a baby acting mommy and daddy (Bernadette and Howard). So that means Penny took care of triplets that day. Edited April 19, 2018 by chucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivesAWhit Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, bfm said: Again, I'm not saying she wasn't immature. A person can help/insipire another to mature without their relationship dynamic being like a parents and child's. I gave the Halley examplw to show that Penny can be more responsible than she is given credit for, even by her friends and husband. I think that was also the goal of this story. Yes I agree. Quite honestly, Penny has never struck me prime parent material. (She and Leonard nearly killed poor Cinnamon! LOL! He wouldn't know about the danger of the chocolate, but as a farm girl, she decidedly would.) I was glad to see the writers offer her a redemption of sorts in that babysitting episode. Edited April 19, 2018 by GivesAWhit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario D. Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 30 minutes ago, Chrismo said: I think the writers for kicks go out of their way to make Penny look worse than other character. As you pointed out the bullying was bad. But they have also had the episode about how she may be a "slut" because of how many guys she slept with. In many of Penny's things she has done have not been on the show. Her Vegas marriage. Her hook up with a 34 year old guy among other stories. Totally agree Those stories about her promiscuous past were just for the laughs but distasteful at best. Especially the one about 34 yr old Luther in a motel. My Lord, she was supposed to be a teenager at that time. Didn't she move out to California when she was 18? To me this was just not funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirs1 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jonny said: Trying to work out the 18: Bates, Teller, Hamill Metcalf, Henggeler, O'Connell Ross Bowie, WW, Lapkus, Posehn (Is Bert still classed as a guest?) Anyone I am missing? I make that 10. I guess some of the other guest actors could be playing minor roles, at say the wedding venue or something. Maybe Amy's parents like I said on the Shamy thread might not have been on that press release earlier in the week? Wonder if there are some big names we don't know about yet? I've posted the same Iist in the Shamy thread! Great minds think alike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivesAWhit Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, chucky said: Did your 10 year old nephew have to deal with a baby acting mommy and daddy (Bernadette and Howard). So that means Penny took care of triplets that day. Operative word - that day. Parenting is for a lifetime , day and night. Your heart and nerves are never again solely your own. Besides, what did Penny do for the Wolowitzs that a ten year old could not handle? Fetching ice, making sandwiches, running out to the nearby shops? 5 minutes ago, Mario D. said: Totally agree Those stories about her promiscuous past were just for the laughs but distasteful at best. Especially the one about 34 yr old Luther in a motel. My Lord, she was supposed to be a teenager at that time. Didn't she move out to California when she was 18? To me this was just not funny I concur, and would add how unfunny it is to make her sexually irresponsible, with the running joke about her innumerable pregnancy tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucky Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, Jonny said: Trying to work out the 18: Bates, Teller, Hamill Metcalf, Henggeler, O'Connell Ross Bowie, WW, Lapkus, Posehn (Is Bert still classed as a guest?) Anyone I am missing? I make that 10 Wow, all these people and no Beverly. I guess Mary nixed that invitation. 3 minutes ago, GivesAWhit said: Operative word - that day. Parenting is for a lifetime , day and night. Your heart and nerves are never again solely your own. Besides, what did Penny do for the Wolowitzs that a ten year old could not handle? Fetching ice, making sandwiches, running out to the nearby shops? Not all babies are Halley and not all Parents are stupid asses like Howard and Bernadette. Personally, I would have taken their phones from then and shoved them up their rear ends. Then tell them to go crap them out. I'm in a good mood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veejay Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Sometimes I really thought I could watching a TV-comedy. Now I'm in a serious dilemma with my view of things here "on board". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Zimtzicke Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Kathy2611 is correct. He always wears that ring when he's not in character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Die Zimtzicke Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 12 hours ago, Mislav said: None of that was funny. Yes it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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