[Spoilers] Season 11 Discussion Thread

[Chrismo]

26 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I am a fan of the show but I have never at any time been a big  fan of Penny. There are fans of the show who do not watch for Penny. There are fans of the show who like the secondary characters. This is just a fact.

 

 

JMO but the ones that aren't  is not based on her acting but how she looks. There are people who don't like Shamy because they don't buy JP as a real life homosexual can't pull off a heterosexual relationship. That's just a fact too.

[joyceraye]

I'm guessing the term Community/Junior College in the USA is similar to College of Further Education ( as opposed to Institutes of Higher Education [ universities etc ] where you get degrees ) in England and Wales ? 

I had heard the term Middle School and didn't realise it was the new term for Junior High.

[legacy99]

I'm sure Stuart has his fans but i can't imagine it's a large enough share of the fans to bye pass the main characters to have his own storyline

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[3ku11]

Regardless if your a fan of Penny or not. Their are a lot of people who hate Sheldon, Leonard too. But she is not a secondary character. She's a main character. So I don't think it's down to who you watch for. Makes a difference here. Secondary characters are not who the "masses" watch for. The show can survive without Secondary characters. They can't without Penny imo. I also agree I doubt Stuart has that large of a fan base. I'm sure he has fans. But his character shouldn't take priority or precedence over a main character.

I mean another Friends reference coming up. Mike wasent the 6th friend. He was just Phoebes BF. And I prefer it that way. I think over the years. The supporting characters have had imo uneccessary increased screen presence. You had five original characters. Then you had two more added. In Amy and Bernadette. Which I was fine with for a period of time. As they were romantically involved with two of the main characters. But things started to get over crowded. And the writers started to struggle to accomodate everyone. Hence why the sequencing of the show started to lack flow and balance. Probably explains Lennys diminished role. Then last season Burt got more of a bigger role. Combined with Stuart. You could now argue that's now 9 characters. 

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[legacy99]

I'm guessing the term Community/Junior College in the USA is similar to College of Further Education ( as opposed to Institutes of Higher Education [ universities etc ] where you get degrees ) in England and Wales ? 
I had heard the term Middle School and didn't realise it was the new term for Junior High.

My daughter and granddaughter both went to middle school i have no idea when and why they changed the name. But both of them informed me they wouldn't go to a junior high school

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[Tensor]

 

6 hours ago, joyceraye said:

I'm guessing the term Community/Junior College in the USA is similar to College of Further Education ( as opposed to Institutes of Higher Education [ universities etc ] where you get degrees ) in England and Wales ? 

Community(because they serve the local community) or Junior (because they only issue two year, Associate" degrees) Colleges are institutes of higher learning.   In most cases, these schools are less exclusive, in that they accept those with a lower GPA from high school and also accept lower test scores.  They are also used for "continuing" or "Adult learning" classes.  I did this, as I ended up doing programming for my job, and I took some programming classes.   

   

For local students, it is convenient for several reasons.  In some cases, there is only a need for an associates degree (our local school also offers Nursing degrees and certificates).  My daughter, the actress, has an associates degree, but didn't feel the need to continue, since she's working as an actress.  She may revisit this down the road and work on a four year degree.  But she has two years of credit.  

Also, those families that do not have the funds to attend a four year school, with the tuition, room and board or for students who are not ready, socially, to leave home, the student can stay at home, while accruing college credits.   After getting a two year degree, they can transfer to a four year school, to finish their Batchelor's degree.   Since most of the first two years are general studies courses, it really doesn't matter where your get them at.  Also, these Junior colleges generally have smaller class sizes, for those who may be struggling with their studies.  Most in-state classes are accepted at the states four year schools.  \

 

6 hours ago, joyceraye said:

I had heard the term Middle School and didn't realise it was the new term for Junior High.

 

2 hours ago, legacy99 said:

My daughter and granddaughter both went to middle school i have no idea when and why they changed the name. But both of them informed me they wouldn't go to a junior high school

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In general,  these days, most school systems have one of two tracks.   There is the Elementary-Middle-High School track or the Elementary-Jr High-High School track.  The differences are basically what grades are in the middle/Jr High school.    In the former, Elementary is grades kindergarten through fifth grade.  Middle is sixth through eighth grade, and high school is ninth through twelfth.   In the other, Elementary is kindergarten through sixth grade, Jr High is seventh through ninth, and High School would be tenth through twelfth.  

When I was growing up (I was one of the baby boomers), our school system only had two high schools, and if they would have had the ninth grade students in them, would have been dangerously overcrowded.  They had plenty of room in the elementary and "Middle" schools, so what the city did was to have the Jr High system, with grades seventh and eighth, along with the first year of high school, ninth, in what was called a Jr High.  They now have more capacity for students (more schools, less students) so they have now made changes to where they use middle schools, and moved ninth grade into the high schools.  

[joyceraye]

8 hours ago, Tensor said:

 

Community(because they serve the local community) or Junior (because they only issue two year, Associate" degrees) Colleges are institutes of higher learning.   In most cases, these schools are less exclusive, in that they accept those with a lower GPA from high school and also accept lower test scores.  They are also used for "continuing" or "Adult learning" classes.  I did this, as I ended up doing programming for my job, and I took some programming classes.   

   

For local students, it is convenient for several reasons.  In some cases, there is only a need for an associates degree (our local school also offers Nursing degrees and certificates).  My daughter, the actress, has an associates degree, but didn't feel the need to continue, since she's working as an actress.  She may revisit this down the road and work on a four year degree.  But she has two years of credit.  

Also, those families that do not have the funds to attend a four year school, with the tuition, room and board or for students who are not ready, socially, to leave home, the student can stay at home, while accruing college credits.   After getting a two year degree, they can transfer to a four year school, to finish their Batchelor's degree.   Since most of the first two years are general studies courses, it really doesn't matter where your get them at.  Also, these Junior colleges generally have smaller class sizes, for those who may be struggling with their studies.  Most in-state classes are accepted at the states four year schools.  \

 

 

 

In general,  these days, most school systems have one of two tracks.   There is the Elementary-Middle-High School track or the Elementary-Jr High-High School track.  The differences are basically what grades are in the middle/Jr High school.    In the former, Elementary is grades kindergarten through fifth grade.  Middle is sixth through eighth grade, and high school is ninth through twelfth.   In the other, Elementary is kindergarten through sixth grade, Jr High is seventh through ninth, and High School would be tenth through twelfth.  

When I was growing up (I was one of the baby boomers), our school system only had two high schools, and if they would have had the ninth grade students in them, would have been dangerously overcrowded.  They had plenty of room in the elementary and "Middle" schools, so what the city did was to have the Jr High system, with grades seventh and eighth, along with the first year of high school, ninth, in what was called a Jr High.  They now have more capacity for students (more schools, less students) so they have now made changes to where they use middle schools, and moved ninth grade into the high schools.  

Very interesting. Thanks for the info.

[Stephen Hawking]

10 hours ago, Tensor said:

in that they accept those with a lower GPA from high school and also accept lower test scores.

What's a GPA?

10 hours ago, Tensor said:

In the other, Elementary is kindergarten through sixth grade, Jr High is seventh through ninth, and High School would be tenth through twelfth.

This sounds a bit like the school system, from when I was a child.

We had Infants school (4-1/2 ish to 7 years-old), Junior school (7 to 11 years-old) and Senior school (11 to 16 years-old).

After 16, it was either further education (ie. college) or go to work.

[Kev0821]

20 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

What's a GPA?

This sounds a bit like the school system, from when I was a child.

We had Infants school (4-1/2 ish to 7 years-old), Junior school (7 to 11 years-old) and Senior school (11 to 16 years-old).

After 16, it was either further education (ie. college) or go to work.

GPA stands for 'grade point average.'

[Stephen Hawking]

Thanks.

[djsurrey]

3 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

What's a GPA?

This sounds a bit like the school system, from when I was a child.

We had Infants school (4-1/2 ish to 7 years-old), Junior school (7 to 11 years-old) and Senior school (11 to 16 years-old).

After 16, it was either further education (ie. college) or go to work.

There are significant differences in that Tensor was refering to grade leveles not ages.

[joyceraye]

4 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

What's a GPA?

This sounds a bit like the school system, from when I was a child.

We had Infants school (4-1/2 ish to 7 years-old), Junior school (7 to 11 years-old) and Senior school (11 to 16 years-old).

After 16, it was either further education (ie. college) or go to work.

Or you could if you wished stay at the same school - if it had a sixth form - until you were eighteen, provided your exam grades at 16 were good enough and your parents agreedyou could stay in education. We also had Nursery (3 to 4-1/2 ish) but not every local education authority ran them at the time.

4 hours ago, Kev0821 said:

GPA stands for 'grade point average.'

I've heard of this. I know what it stands for but I don't know what it means.

[Tensor]

When you get a grade, for GPA purposes, it is assigned a value, usually. A= 4, B=3, C=2, D=1, F=0.  There's a formula where you multiply the grade value, by the number of credits for that class, then divide by the total number of credits.  If you get an "A" in a five credit class, and a B in a three credit class, you would have 5x4 plus 3x3 or, 20 + 9 or 29.  This would be divided by the eight total credits,  29/8 gives you a GPA of 3.62.

[Die Zimtzicke]

On 9/16/2017 at 2:10 PM, Chrismo said:

the ones that aren't  is not based on her acting but how she looks. There are people who don't like Shamy because they don't buy JP as a real life homosexual can't pull off a heterosexual relationship. That's just a fact too.

I said I didn't like the character of Penny. I have no opinion on Kaley or Jim. I don't know enough about them, so I'm not sure what you are talking about here.

17 hours ago, Tensor said:

 these days, most school systems have one of two tracks.   There is the Elementary-Middle-High School track or the Elementary-Jr High-High School track.  The differences are basically what grades are in the middle/Jr High school.    In the former, Elementary is grades kindergarten through fifth grade.  Middle is sixth through eighth grade, and high school is ninth through twelfth.   In the other, Elementary is kindergarten through sixth grade, Jr High is seventh through ninth, and High School would be tenth through twelfth.  

Our elementary schools are K-4, the middle schools (which are different buildings ) are 5-8 and the high school is 9-12.

[3ku11]

2 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I said I didn't like the character of Penny. I have no opinion on Kaley or Jim. I don't know enough about them, so I'm not sure what you are talking about here.

Our elementary schools are K-4, the middle schools (which are different buildings ) are 5-8 and the high school is 9-12.

I think Chrismo is saying other people don't like Sheldon. Because of the lack of believability. I was making a point too. Who you like is seperate from who the "masses" like. Leonard, Penny, Sheldon, Howard, and Raj are the Main characters. And have the biggest fan bases. A character like Stuart or Bert should always come secondary. But that hasent been the case. Particularly last season. 

[Chrismo]

2 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

I think Chrismo is saying other people don't like Sheldon. Because of the lack of believability. I was making a point too. Who you like is seperate from who the "masses" like. Leonard, Penny, Sheldon, Howard, and Raj are the Main characters. And have the biggest fan bases. A character like Stuart or Bert should always come secondary. But that hasent been the case. Particularly last season. 

As you pointed I stated one of the reasons I don't like Sheldon. I have stated others through the years on here. The poster didn't give a reason for not liking Penny so I was left to surmise why. I agree the main characters have a bigger base. Stuart is find in a supporting role. But if he's a main character in any storyline JMO but it's time to wrap up the show.

[legacy99]

My guess is tptb will put on screen any character that they think will make sheldon in their opinion funny no matter what their role has been or how long they have been on the show

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[Chrismo]

11 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

My guess is tptb will put on screen any character that they think will make sheldon in their opinion funny no matter what their role has been or how long they have been on the show

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Stuart's presence recently relates to Howdette which I can understand. But in 11.3 do we really need a storyline of Raj and Stuart competing to date Bernadette's co-worker? I'm sorry not only are you scraping the bottom of the barrel for storylines but the two of them trying to get a woman has already been done.

[legacy99]

I wouldn't be suprised if sheldon talked lenny into taking Stuart in to live with them

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[vonmar]

1 minute ago, legacy99 said:

I wouldn't be suprised if sheldon talked lenny into taking Stuart in to live with them

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Why would he care about where Stuart lives?

[legacy99]

Why would he care about where Stuart lives?

Maybe he would be trying to make trouble in lennys relationship like he's done before

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[vonmar]

5 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

Maybe he would be trying to make trouble in lennys relationship like he's done before

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Why, doesn't he have other things on his mind right now?

[legacy99]

Why, doesn't he have other things on his mind right now?

Sheldon always has to be the best at everything so my thoughts are if lenny are fighting he can say shamy is the best couple which he has tried before of course it's not his character's fault but the writers

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[vonmar]

3 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

Sheldon always has to be the best at everything so my thoughts are if lenny are fighting he can say shamy is the best couple which he has tried before of course it's not his character's fault but the writers

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Why drag Shamy into this?  Maybe instead of throwing Sheldon into the mix, how about Lenny work it out for themselves?  

[Nogravitasatall]

On 17/09/2017 at 5:10 AM, Chrismo said:

JMO but the ones that aren't  is not based on her acting but how she looks. There are people who don't like Shamy because they don't buy JP as a real life homosexual can't pull off a heterosexual relationship. That's just a fact too.

Really? I'm surprised.  Um... How much does Doris Day and Rock Hudson date me. Good counter argument I'd have thought.  Isn't it  what acting is all about. Y'know... playing a character. Well directed and good actors playing good material are convincing, no matter who they go out with off the job.

For me, the hurdle is the genius of the conceit of the original "I don't care what you think, I know what I want despite convention" Sheldon. And revision of sexual preference is a pretty big ask. I was so convinced and I wanted to believe. Because hey, while Shamy is maybe novel, it's not as novel as standalone Sheldon. But the metric isn't genius or novelty. It's audience. 

Well played Mr Lorre, hey what.

6 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Why drag Shamy into this?  Maybe instead of throwing Sheldon into the mix, how about Lenny work it out for themselves?  

Please yes. #freeLeonardandPenny

hehe

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