[Spoilers] Season 11 Discussion Thread

[spidergirl]

23 hours ago, veejay said:

I'm curious. But two screaming Debbies in the background will ruin our ears completely, don't you think?

I do think they will ruin, lol! Maybe the litle boy is more quiet than his sister. Crossing fingers for more babies only close to the end of the show.

Edited September 24, 2017 by spidergirl

[bfm]

9 hours ago, April said:

I fear we're talking cross purposes here.

What my previous post was about was establishing character motivation (here: whether or not Lenny want a baby and when) cause that hasn't been done with Lenny so far in a proper storyline (as opposed to the other couples) and I was wondering if that would happen some time during this season.

What you seem to be worried about is the writers dragging things out and whether they could do that in a realistic way which... well, knowing this show you better buckle up for unrealistic dragging. lol

But whatever, let's entertain the idea of realism to give Lenny a two year journey to a baby for the S12 finale just for shits and giggles:

1) Establishing character motivation: Lenny are sporadically being confronted with the baby idea thanks to Howardette's second pregnancy and over the course of, say, the first half of S11 they come to the conclusion that they want a baby, too.

2) Baby making: The next step then would actually be conceiving which can realistically take quite a bit even for perfectly healthy couples. Like, statistically there's only a 30% chance in any given month so they could just be out of luck for a while. But since Penny had a ton of pregnancy scares in her life but never actually gotten pregnant there could also be an underlying medical issue that just makes it more difficult for her to get pregnant. Doesn't need to be anything super dramatic. Thyroid issues, for example, can affect fertility and are easily treatable these days. Either way it could take them to the season finale or beginning of the next season to actually have a positive test on their hands.

3) Pregnancy: This can easily go on until the end of S12 and there wouldn't be a baby on set until the very end of the show (assuming that is the end of course).

And there you go. Realism and dragging things out are not mutually exclusive. Sometimes things just take time. So that isn't my worry at all with a Lenny baby storyline. The most important part for me is step 1) cause as much as people are claiming Lenny sure would want a baby I just don't see the enthusiasm for that from them, yet. Again, maybe some time this season they'll finally get to that point.

I think those steps you describe could definitely happen, in fact I have previously thought they might do something like step 2. What I find unrealistic is that they haven't had these concrete thoughts yet. The reason for it to me is the writers not wanting them to have a baby prior to the finale or final episodes. Again, I disagree with you about them being not into it, from their conversation in season 9 I got that they both want children, well we knew that about Leonard but it seemed like for Penny it was kind of a given (he was rightly cautious asking her though due to past experience). "I’m not in a rush but someday, yeah, sure." is not a "maybe" IMO even though it is not concrete. Agree to disagree on that, I guess.  

Edited September 24, 2017 by bfm

[April]

12 minutes ago, bfm said:

I think those steps you describe could definitely happen, in fact I have previously thought they might do something like step 2. What I find unrealistic is that they haven't had these concrete thoughts yet. The reason for it to me is the writers not wanting them to have a baby prior to the finale or final episodes. Again, I disagree with you about them being not into it, from their conversation in season 9 I got that they both want children, well we knew that about Leonard but it seemed like for Penny it was kind of a given (he was rightly cautious asking her though due to past experience). "I’m not in a rush but someday, yeah, sure." is not a "maybe" IMO even though it i not concrete. Agree to disagree on that, I guess.  

I guess I just want a bit more than a casual "someday, yeah, sure". If they are serious about a baby now (which means the next two seasons) I want them to have a proper conversation about it.

[Jonny]

20 minutes ago, bfm said:

I think those steps you describe could definitely happen, in fact I have previously thought they might do something like step 2. What I find unrealistic is that they haven't had these concrete thoughts yet. The reason for it to me is the writers not wanting them to have a baby prior to the finale or final episodes. Again, I disagree with you about them being not into it, from their conversation in season 9 I got that they both want children, well we knew that about Leonard but it seemed like for Penny it was kind of a given (he was rightly cautious asking her though due to past experience). "I’m not in a rush but someday, yeah, sure." is not a "maybe" IMO even though it i not concrete. Agree to disagree on that, I guess.  

Penny is a lot younger, it may be years away that she actually wants children. I have seen no evidence to suggest that they are either ready for kids or actually want them yet, in the future at some point absolutely. I don't count that rant in the car with Bernie and Amy as a sign she wants those things, if anything that was more of she doesn't know what she wants and reacting to her friends situation.

[Swedish Chef]

17 minutes ago, April said:

I guess I just want a bit more than a casual "someday, yeah, sure". If they are serious about a baby now (which means the next two seasons) I want them to have a proper conversation about it.

Just looking back at previous seasons concerning Lenny,I'm guessing that Lenny having a conversation about babies will happen off-screen

I really don't belive that the writers wants to focus that much on a Lenny pregnancy story arc , sure Penny will almost certain get pregnant sometime but I'm guessing that will happen without any pretalk about having babies. 

Edited September 24, 2017 by Lagernisse

[Die Zimtzicke]

On 9/22/2017 at 6:04 PM, 3ku11 said:

We don't need to see Amy's relatives. Even on their wedding.

I don't mind if some of them are there, but they don't need huge storylines. I don't want another Meemaw sized disappointment. If they are at a shower and Amy is just pointing them out telling funny stories to Bernie and Penny about them that would be okay.

[Jonny]

11 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

Just looking back at previous seasons concerning Lenny,I'm guessing that Lenny having a conversation about babies will happen off-screen

I really don't belive that the writers wants to focus that much on a Lenny pregnancy story arc , sure Penny will almost certain get pregnant sometime but I'm guessing that will happen without any pretalk about having babies. 

I actually always thought that any Leonard and Penny baby would be an unexpected shock or surprise news to them. But in a way the show has done that already with baby no.2 for Howardette. So it would make sense that they actually talk about it on screen that they are trying to not repeat a previously used theme.

Edited September 24, 2017 by Jonny

[luminous]

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[Swedish Chef]

37 minutes ago, Jonny said:

I actually always thought that any Leonard and Penny baby would be an unexpected shock or surprise news to them. But in a way the show has done that already with baby no.2 for Howardette. So it would make sense that they actually talk about it on screen that they are trying to not repeat a previously used theme.

Sure, but now it is Lenny we are talking about ,a couple that haven' t been in the writers focus for a long time 

Edited September 24, 2017 by Lagernisse

[mirs1]

 

[spidergirl]

55 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

 

In my case has been the last two years as I became an obssessed fan. Best time of my tv show viewer life! 

[SRAM]

3 hours ago, Jonny said:

Penny is a lot younger, it may be years away that she actually wants children. I have seen no evidence to suggest that they are either ready for kids or actually want them yet, in the future at some point absolutely. I don't count that rant in the car with Bernie and Amy as a sign she wants those things, if anything that was more of she doesn't know what she wants and reacting to her friends situation.

Penny is suppose to be very close to Kaley's age and Kaley has said she thinks about babies a lot, so wouldn't you assume Penny would be at that point too?  

[mirs1]

Two pics, S. 1 and S. 10...

Edited September 24, 2017 by mirs1

[bfm]

6 hours ago, April said:

I guess I just want a bit more than a casual "someday, yeah, sure". If they are serious about a baby now (which means the next two seasons) I want them to have a proper conversation about it.

That proper conversation is what I want and what I think should have already happen and it not happening is unrealistic to me. So we're partly on the same page on that

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[Jonny]

4 hours ago, SRAM said:

Penny is suppose to be very close to Kaley's age and Kaley has said she thinks about babies a lot, so wouldn't you assume Penny would be at that point too?  

No I wouldn't assume that. Not all women who hit their early 30's suddenly want children, comes down to each individual.

[Carm6773]

1 minute ago, Jonny said:

No I wouldn't assume that. Not all women who hit their early 30's suddenly want children, comes down to each individual.

Some women (myself included) never feel the desire to have children.  I'm OK with my nieces, nephews, and students; I can send them home at the end of the day.

[joyceraye]

8 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I don't mind if some of them are there, but they don't need huge storylines. I don't want another Meemaw sized disappointment. If they are at a shower and Amy is just pointing them out telling funny stories to Bernie and Penny about them that would be okay.

...... # and so say all of us !

[Jonny]

12 minutes ago, Carm6773 said:

Some women (myself included) never feel the desire to have children.  I'm OK with my nieces, nephews, and students; I can send them home at the end of the day.

True, or some wait until later. Some years ago there was a rise/trend in women waiting until their late 30's to start a family, don't know if that is still the case.

Edited September 24, 2017 by Jonny

[joyceraye]

4 hours ago, SRAM said:

Penny is suppose to be very close to Kaley's age and Kaley has said she thinks about babies a lot, so wouldn't you assume Penny would be at that point too?  

It depends what 'thinks about' means. Everybody thinks about babies from the moment they realise they'll be grown up one day. It signifies little. Whether they think they'll one day become parents, won't become parents, don't want to become parents, prefer to wait until they're ready to be parents, try to be parents and succeed, want to be parents and can't, are glad they never were or regret they weren't, anybody can say they think about it. It's a good cop out. 

[Chrismo]

32 minutes ago, Jonny said:

True, or some wait until later. Some years ago there was a rise/trend in women waiting until their late 30's to start a family, don't know if that is still the case.

 

45 minutes ago, Carm6773 said:

Some women (myself included) never feel the desire to have children.  I'm OK with my nieces, nephews, and students; I can send them home at the end of the day.

I'm not sure what that has anything to do with Penny. It's never been stated she doesn't want kids

[Mario D.]

On 9/23/2017 at 5:58 AM, bfm said:

I think these scenes may be setting up for a season 12/finale pregnancy, which probably means no baby on more than one, two at best, episodes if at all. I was referring to having a baby for some time, like from the beginning of S12. 

I do not think the Shamy thing was more serious... You probably won't agree with me on this but to me it was more of another attempt on Sheldon's part to recreate his greatness. Yes Amy's greatness too which made it a tad more romantic but to me he was so obviously not ready for a baby and not really thinking about being a father. He got carried away with the excellent results their cells had. The Lenny talk in S9 was serious, Penny's answer was "Sure". While with Howardette it was more questionable with Lenny I think it was quite clear they will have children, even before they talked about it directly. Yes they didn't talk about when they would have children (because of they did than it would have been much harder for the writers to keep stalling them, they know this well) but they have been married for more than 2 years now and have been together living close by for more, have a perfectly fine apartment for one baby, are doing okay financially, Leonard is 37 and they have been parenting Sheldon since long before that parenting book. All of this makes me feel that realistically they would have start considering it at least a year ago...

I think having Penny become pregnant or at least think she is pregnant seems like a very viable storyline at this point. It looks like from the early synopsis of the first episodes they seem to be dropping hints with Howardette asking about a possible baby to Leonard's mother suddenly becoming a mother-in-law to Penny to the parenting book that they are reading.   Also, many interviews with the stars show they are being very coy when it comes to a Lenny plot.  The most recent interview I saw with Kaley and Johnny they both seemed subdued about their characters, even Kaley stating that they are just hanging around watching everyone else. I don't know if this a deflection to not answer any questions about P&L or they were not too enthused about their storyline thus far.   Time will tell

 

 

 

 

 

10 hours ago, bfm said:

I think those steps you describe could definitely happen, in fact I have previously thought they might do something like step 2. What I find unrealistic is that they haven't had these concrete thoughts yet. The reason for it to me is the writers not wanting them to have a baby prior to the finale or final episodes. Again, I disagree with you about them being not into it, from their conversation in season 9 I got that they both want children, well we knew that about Leonard but it seemed like for Penny it was kind of a given (he was rightly cautious asking her though due to past experience). "I’m not in a rush but someday, yeah, sure." is not a "maybe" IMO even though it is not concrete. Agree to disagree on that, I guess.  

I think a Penny pregnancy was in the cards for this season (and may still be) but Melissa's real life pregnancy probably derailed that story until later  JMO

[BigBang15]

On 9/22/2017 at 6:31 PM, Judith said:

I wonder who's the unofficial guest star. My first thought was Stephen Merchant but maybe it'll be Sheldon's brother or Amy's dad.

It's Stephen Hawking. Does no one pay attention?

[Judith]

23 minutes ago, BigBang15 said:

It's Stephen Hawking. Does no one pay attention?

Why should I pay attention to the little stuff when I have you to do the dirty work for me?

[3ku11]

I had no idea Stephan Hawking was guest starring. So guess I'm not paying attention either hahhaa.