episodes 1107 - The Geology Methodology (November 9)

[legacy99]

So Leonard's the bad guy when sheldon walks away from a project that he thinks hes to good for and leonard steps in to help I think maybe sheldon might need to get down from the pedestal he puts himself on

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[veejay]

7 hours ago, legacy99 said:

So Leonard's the bad guy when sheldon walks away from a project that he thinks hes to good for and leonard steps in to help I think maybe sheldon might need to get down from the pedestal he puts himself on

Yep. 

[luminous]

Penny: Really?! Well I’ve got a figure of speech about how sexually promiscuous you can go be with yourself.

And this is Penny's figure of speech as a hand gesture.

[bfm]

7 hours ago, Shelldon said:

-Hearing crickets while watching cricket.

-"Don't have time to play rocks with you". Too busy getting your rocks off to yourself. Seriously, when's the breakthrough about his elitism going to come? They are just rehashing a standard Howard/Sheldon plot with Bert/Sheldon.

-I'm sure Mime Sheldon is just waiting down in his psyche with all the other personalities from Relaxation Integration.

-Sheldon did not take long to Zinc it through. The only one judging you is yourself, moron.

-Complaining is the sport of the sports watcher. 

-Help, I have no idea what they are saying either. Also hell has frozen over because Raj found a girl he can talk to like a normal person. Well normal for someone who knows cricket terminology.

-Never try to catch Sheldon in a lie.

-I took Geology, but not Physics. But for once Penny and I agree, those classes aren't for us.

-For someone who never cared about sex before 9 seasons in, Sheldon sure is equipped with a slut shaming radar.

-Breakfast at Ruchi's. Casual. I'm just glad Stuart seems indifferent towards it. Enjoy your danishes and stfu. 

-"To slow the bleeding". Penny is spitting straight fire tonight.

-Rocks have more value than this giant clod of Sheldonite. 

-Some experience with serious relationships and a ton of experience with no relationships. Middle ground makes for possible marriage partner.

-First amusing Raj fantasy in years. Really hope Ruchi is able to join the group. Surely they can afford her as main cast for just one season?

-"Dinner with my parents come to mind". I mean, the "Yo Momma" scenario sounds lame, but damnit if Shamy had dinner with her parents they can do that as a main episode plot. Not a throwaway gag.

-Don't be soulmate guy. Biochemical reactions that fade over time and not being threatened by understanding of mechanisms. Well that was a fun philosophical debate which could be an interesting route to take Rajchi, assuming it's not what drives them apart.

-Very seducing offer, Sheldon. But Leonard pulling this steal makes whatever betrayal Sheldon makes next week totally justified and the Kripke thing only an added layer of jerky Leonard.

-Hopefully Raj and Ruchi move past friends with benefits.....and no it's not that weird for a guy to want an emotional intimate component. :/

-Ok show, now make Almost Paradise play over a scene of Sheldon gazing at Amy. Seems to work really well as shipper fuel.

So if Shelly boy is being a jerk offending people and thus making them not want to collaborate with him then Leonard cannot collaborate with them? It's not like he was using Sheldon's work to get in the project. Bert was looking for a physicist, it didn't work with Sheldon (to say the least) so he turned to Leonard. You need more then great professional knowledge (which Leonard has) to be a good collaborator, interpersonal skills are also important. 

[Zephon75]

11 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Sheldon knows Penny was promiscuous, just as we know, although we've not heard her talking to Sheldon about the things she told the girls

No he doesn't nor do we, all we know is she has  dated quite a few guys  but that doesn't make her promiscuous. Being Promiscuous  is characterized by or involving indiscriminate mingling or association, especially having sexual relations with a number of partners on a casual basis.   Sheldon doesn't know if Penny had sex on a casual basis on a number of occasions ,neither do the girls and neither do we.

 

Edited November 11, 2017 by Zephon75

[mirs1]

2 hours ago, Zephon75 said:

No he doesn't nor do we, all we know is she has  dated quite a few guys  but that doesn't make her promiscuous. Being Promiscuous  is characterized by or involving indiscriminate mingling or association, especially having sexual relations with a number of partners on a casual basis.   Sheldon doesn't know if Penny had sex on a casual basis on a number of occasions ,neither do the girls and neither do we.

 

I agree, Penny is not promiscuous, she enjoys her sexuality. The double standards in the show, which started from the get go, are very disturbing on that respect. The guys were shown as striving for sex and "promiscuity" (in the sense the show intends it, which is basically having  a sex life) but when it came to Penny there was something wrong with it. This very episode in many forms repeated this early seasons pattern, and Penny and Raj are obviously treated in two totally different ways. I think that is one of the risks in relying in old jokes as this season seems to be doing, the good ones come with the bad ones, and double standards about sexuality is definitely one of the "bad" ones. That's also were I don't agree with Jessica Radloff's review. It's not like we suddenly discover in S. 11 that there some sort  slut shaming on TBBT, there has always been. And, it's not that suddenly Penny defends herself on the behalf of each and every woman in the world. She has always been capable of doing that, she is probably the only one in the show that can give Sheldon the business (well, in this episode we find out also Bert can do it, LOL!) and has almost always done that, when he offended her. The rare times she didn't say anything, it was not because she wasn't able to do that, but because it wasn't worth it. So, I'm all for #justiceforpenny, and I agree she is having some very funny lines lately, but she is also underused and hasn't had a  horizontal plot about herself in a while, probably since S. 7 with her acting career. #justiceforpenny for me means hoping that she finally gets something more than being the counselor of all members of the group.

Edited November 11, 2017 by mirs1

[veejay]

19 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

I agree, Penny is ...../..... members of the group.

Ha, thanks for your comment I agree with.
I just happened to read EW's review of the episode and discovered this remarkable sentence/question:
"By the way, when was the last time Penny got a story line of her own?? "

http://ew.com/recap/the-big-bang-theory-season-11-episode-7

   #justiceforpenny

Edited November 11, 2017 by veejay
typo

[bfm]

30 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

I agree, Penny is not promiscuous, she enjoys her sexuality. The double standards in the show, which started from the get go, are very disturbing on that respect. The guys were shown as striving for sex and "promiscuity" (in the sense the show intends it, which is basically having  a sex life) but when it came to Penny there was something wrong with it. This very episode in many forms repeated this early seasons pattern, and Penny and Raj are obviously treated in two totally different ways. I think that is one of the risks in relying in old jokes as this season seems to be doing, the good ones come with the bad ones, and double standards about sexuality is definitely one of the "bad" ones. That's also were I don't agree with Jessica Radloff's review. It's not like we suddenly discover in S. 11 that there some sort  slut shaming on TBBT, there has always been. And, it's not that suddenly Penny defends herself on the behalf of each and every woman in the world. She has always been capable of doing that, she is probably the only one in the show that can give Sheldon the business (well, in this episode we find out also Bert can do it, LOL!) and has almost always done that, when he offended her. The rare times she didn't say anything, it was not because she wasn't able to do that, but because it wasn't worth it. So, I'm all for #justiceforpenny, and I agree she is having some very funny lines lately, but she is also underused and hasn't had a  horizontal plot about herself in a while, probably since S. 7 with her acting career. #justiceforpenny for me means hoping that she finally gets something more than being the counselor of all members of the group.

I think lately it was mostly eye rolls and sighs when he made those comments so I was happy she had a strong comeback like she used to have years ago.

[veejay]

26 minutes ago, bfm said:

I think lately it was mostly eye rolls and sighs when he made those comments so I was happy she had a strong comeback like she used to have years ago.

Yes, although I would've liked to watch Penny's frequently mentioned Nebraska-skills in a genuine version. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be the only one in this case.

[joyceraye]

3 hours ago, Zephon75 said:

No he doesn't nor do we, all we know is she has  dated quite a few guys  but that doesn't make her promiscuous. Being Promiscuous  is characterized by or involving indiscriminate mingling or association, especially having sexual relations with a number of partners on a casual basis.   Sheldon doesn't know if Penny had sex on a casual basis on a number of occasions ,neither do the girls and neither do we.

 

True. We only know what Penny has said about herself. It tended to be said in the context of humour so she could have been joking. The men that Sheldon counted could have been reading a meter, fixing the plumbing or delivering food.

That was her past, anyway. She's an adult now, a faithful wife so far as we are aware, holds down a responsible job,pays her way, has never done anybody any harm, and will help anybody if she can. I'm glad she's standing up for herself. 

Double standards ? Yes ! Raj is hardly ever criticised for his attitude to sex. In fact for the most part he gets approval. When Leonard had different women to stay overnight, Sheldon's only grumbles were when he found it a nuisance and he never remarked on the morality of it. It's time he stopped mentioning her past to Penny. It wasn't any of his business anyway and still isn't.

[mirs1]

28 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

True. We only know what Penny has said about herself. It tended to be said in the context of humour so she could have been joking. The men that Sheldon counted could have been reading a meter, fixing the plumbing or delivering food.

That was her past, anyway. She's an adult now, a faithful wife so far as we are aware, holds down a responsible job,pays her way, has never done anybody any harm, and will help anybody if she can. I'm glad she's standing up for herself. 

Double standards ? Yes ! Raj is hardly ever criticised for his attitude to sex. In fact for the most part he gets approval. When Leonard had different women to stay overnight, Sheldon's only grumbles were when he found it a nuisance and he never remarked on the morality of it. It's time he stopped mentioning her past to Penny. It wasn't any of his business anyway and still isn't.

The point is the lines Penny says are written by the writers, Penny "judged" herself because the writers did that, while they absolved\absolve the guys. That's exactly what double standards are about.

Edited November 11, 2017 by mirs1

[joyceraye]

4 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

The point is the lines Penny says are written by the writers, Penny "judged" herself because the writers did that, while they absolved\absolve the guys. That's exactly what double standards are about.

Yup ! 'Twas ever thus. 

[Jonny]

12 hours ago, legacy99 said:

So Leonard's the bad guy when sheldon walks away from a project that he thinks hes to good for and leonard steps in to help I think maybe sheldon might need to get down from the pedestal he puts himself on

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I had zero problems with Leonard doing what he did in this episode.

[joyceraye]

On 11/11/2017 at 8:27 AM, bfm said:

So if Shelly boy is being a jerk offending people and thus making them not want to collaborate with him then Leonard cannot collaborate with them? It's not like he was using Sheldon's work to get in the project. Bert was looking for a physicist, it didn't work with Sheldon (to say the least) so he turned to Leonard. You need more then great professional knowledge (which Leonard has) to be a good collaborator, interpersonal skills are also important. 

Sheldon can collaborate when he wants to  - or has to. He's done it on the guidance project, separately with Leonard and Amy, and even to a slight extent albeit unwillingly, with Leslie and Ramona. He's done it with Kripke when made to. He couldn't resist the role of gift horse and so he changed his mind about working with Bert and did well at it. The chance of worthwhile research, I suppose, was too tempting in the end.  Trouble was, he kept up this attitude that he was somehow lowering himself.   There's the rub. It's not good science to be so close-minded as to look down on others' fields or ideas just because they're not one's own. He came round to accepting that it was the work that counted but he was too late. 

I wish they hadn't sent Sheldon into reverse like this. What happened to 'Bert's success is not my failure' and  'I'm proud of you' ? 

At least he's being called on for his attitude in this season . Even Stephen Hawking 's  mentioned it.  Amy said, 'You may not be the smartest person in this room'.  Bert, Penny and so on are standing up to him and putting him in his place. We talk about how Sheldon is maturing -  'I'm the mean boy' is an example -  but at the same time everybody else is ageing and at a faster pace. As people get older they get a better idea of their own self-worth and gain the confidence to reject others' BS. 

Edited November 12, 2017 by joyceraye

[veejay]

43 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Sheldon can collaborate when he wants to  - or has to. He's done it on the guidance project, separately with Leonard and Amy, and even to a slight extent albeit unwillingly, with Leslie and Ramona. He's done it with Kripke when made to. He couldn't resist the role of gift horse and so he changed his mind about working with Bert and did well at it. The chance of worthwhile research, I suppose, was too tempting in the end.  Trouble was, he kept up this attitude that he was somehow lowering himself.   There's the rub. It's not good science to be so close-minded as to look down on others' fields or ideas just because they're not one's own. He came round to accepting that it was the work that counted but he was too late. 

I wish they hadn't sent Sheldon into reverse like this. What happened to 'Bert's success is not my failure' and  'I'm proud of you' ? 

At least he's being called on for his attitude in this season . Even Stephen Hawking 's  mentioned it.  Amy said, 'You may not be the smartest person in this room'.  Bert, Penny and so on are standing up to him and putting him in his place. We talk about how Sheldon is maturing -  'I'm the mean boy' is an example -  but at the same time everybody else is ageing and at a faster pace. As people get older they get a better idea of our own self-worth and gain the confidence to reject others' BS. 

That's exactly my problem with the so-called development of Sheldon. For the writers he was/is just, well, Sheldon. The same dilemma with Raj, whose development resembles also a roller coaster without a chance getting out of it. Compared to our other pals, this presentation seems tiresome and unbelievable in the long run. More important, for me, this comedy will not be funnier but rather cataclysmic boring.

[bfm]

1 hour ago, joyceraye said:

Sheldon can collaborate when he wants to  - or has to. He's done it on the guidance project, separately with Leonard and Amy, and even to a slight extent albeit unwillingly, with Leslie and Ramona. He's done it with Kripke when made to. He couldn't resist the role of gift horse and so he changed his mind about working with Bert and did well at it. The chance of worthwhile research, I suppose, was too tempting in the end.  Trouble was, he kept up this attitude that he was somehow lowering himself.   There's the rub. It's not good science to be so close-minded as to look down on others' fields or ideas just because they're not one's own. He came round to accepting that it was the work that counted but he was too late. 

I wish they hadn't sent Sheldon into reverse like this. What happened to 'Bert's success is not my failure' and  'I'm proud of you' ? 

At least he's being called on for his attitude in this season . Even Stephen Hawking 's  mentioned it.  Amy said, 'You may not be the smartest person in this room'.  Bert, Penny and so on are standing up to him and putting him in his place. We talk about how Sheldon is maturing -  'I'm the mean boy' is an example -  but at the same time everybody else is ageing and at a faster pace. As people get older they get a better idea of our own self-worth and gain the confidence to reject others' BS. 

I don't think he cannot collaborate and cannot make major contributions to collaborative projects, but I think he is far from a great person to work with. It may have worked with Amy but he was hard to deal with on the gyroscope project, a nightmare on the app idea, better on the super helium but still messed up big time in the latter interview, with Kripke he kept giving him fake papers and spread lies about him and Amy because he couldn't handle Kripke doing a better work and Ramona was completely smitten with him so he could have been a total jerk and she would probably be fine with it. He is a wonderful asset professionally, it's the interpersonal aspect of collaborating that he is terrible at. Whoever collaborates with him has to pay that price.

[spidergirl]

8 hours ago, mirs1 said:

The point is the lines Penny says are written by the writers, Penny "judged" herself because the writers did that, while they absolved\absolve the guys. That's exactly what double standards are about.

Exactly! The show ( writers) has always excused the sexist remarks from the guys while Penny , for have a different way to aproach sex and relationships , she has been too called or hinted as someone promiscuous. Even in some moments in past she got those remarks from girls. But they, girls, and guys had matured about relationships through the years. Course this is a comedy show but after 10 years as we saw how much these guys got more socialized and less awkard in some extent, I mean about dating and be in relationships, it is getting too odd these old sexist jokes that we laughed at first seasons for these characters quirkyness and awkardness, these days it get to be a bit bizarre as they , after a time they said less sexist stuff as they realized some things were not exactly they thought they would, they (guys) are back to say that kind of stuff to each others.  And keep treating Penny as if they were stucked on s2-4 .There are so many jokes that the writers could build about married people,  long time single people or parenthood that they would not need to get back from show archive these old jokes. They only give to the episodes a sense of filler that at this time of the show doesnt make any sense. Because they have so many things to build or conclude to each character that imo it is a waste of time the back to old jokes travel setled lately.

Edited November 11, 2017 by spidergirl

[bfm]

23 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Exactly! The show ( writers) has always excused the sexist remarks from the guys while Penny , for have a different way to aproach sex and relationships , she has been too called or hinted as someone promiscuous. Even in some moments in past she got those remarks from girls. But they, girls, and guys had matured about relationships through the years. Course this is a comedy show but after 10 years as we saw how much these guys got more socialized and less awkard in some extent, I mean about dating and be in relationships, it is getting too odd these old sexist jokes that we laughed at first seasons for these characters quirkyness and awkardness, these days it get to be a bit bizarre as they , after a time they said less sexist stuff as they realized some things were not exactly they thought they would, they (guys) are back to say that kind of stuff to each others.  And keep treating Penny as if they were stucked on s2-4 .There are so many jokes that the writers could build about married people,  long time single people or parenthood that they would not need to get back from show archive these old jokes. They only give to the episodes a sense of filler that at this time of the show doesnt make any sense. Because they have so many things to build or conclude to each character that imo it is a waste of time the back to old jokes travel setled lately.

Do they, though? IMO, Lenny and Howardette could "ride to the sunset" every minute now (actually they could have done that about a year and a half ago), for Shamy it is mostly getting married and Sheldon learning to shut up (which he will probably never master so it could be just a certain degree of improvement). Raj is the one who has the longest way to go, if not finding a partner than at least learning to be responsible with his money, less of a jerk or concentrating on his job. (There's also Penny's job but they don't seem to really want to change that)

So for me these two seasons are mostly filler, waiting for the conclusion. In fact it feels like almost everything Lenny related has been filler since their wedding. 

Edited November 11, 2017 by bfm

[spidergirl]

12 minutes ago, bfm said:

Do they, though? IMO, Lenny and Howardette could "ride to the sunset" every minute now (actually they could have done that about a year and a half ago), for Shamy it is mostly getting married and Sheldon learning to shut up (which he will probably never master so it could be just a certain degree of improvement). Raj is the one who has the longest way to go, if not finding a partner than at least learning to be responsible with his money, less of a jerk or concentrating on his job. (There's also Penny's job but they don't seem to really want to change that)

There are two seasons before the show end for good, if it was not renewed for more seasons beyond 12. If there wont s11 and s12, all characters could have got their nice end in last three, four episodes of s10. As it did not happened , there must be told more about each character until end of s12, right? Two couples married, one with children , other that might have theirs, a couple enganged , a single guy and a group of scientists that could  show us how updated their careers might be with real life scientist advances... I still see potencial for good episodes.  The thing is I am not writer, so I have to wait who is do their job!

 

Edited November 11, 2017 by spidergirl

[Swedish Chef]

52 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

There are two seasons before the show end for good, if it was not renewed for more seasons beyond 12. If there wont s11 and s12, all characters could have got their nice end in last three, four episodes of s10. As it did not happened , there must be told more about each character until end of s12, right? Two couples married, one with children , other that might have theirs, a couple enganged , a single guy and a group of scientists that could  show us how updated their careers might be with real life scientist advances... I still see potencial for good episodes.  The thing is I am not writer, so I have to wait who is do their job!

 

The writers seems to be pretty stuck with their storytelling about some of the characters on the show  in my opinion to be honest. 

[joyceraye]

3 hours ago, spidergirl said:

There are two seasons before the show end for good, if it was not renewed for more seasons beyond 12. If there wont s11 and s12, all characters could have got their nice end in last three, four episodes of s10. As it did not happened , there must be told more about each character until end of s12, right? Two couples married, one with children , other that might have theirs, a couple enganged , a single guy and a group of scientists that could  show us how updated their careers might be with real life scientist advances... I still see potential for good episodes.  The thing is I am not writer, so I have to wait who is do their job!

 

Well said ! Last year  I hoped for more seasons because I wanted to know what was going to happen to these people. So far it's b ____r all. Of course we can't have life-changing events every week, that wouldn't be believable and a little repetition is good for continuity,  but they're a third of the way through a season now and they've done next to nothing. They haven't even built on anything that has come up.

There's plenty they could have followed up on. Amy and Howard could have made something useful in their prosthetic project and won a prize and got featured on the news ; Sheldon and Howard could have designed and built a better model rocket and made some money; Beverly could have come to stay in 4a at Penny's invitation while she writes a book or escapes after giving a controversial radio interview about her last one on high-achieving couples; We could have had some girls' nights with Bernie stretched out on the sofa;  Shamy could have been house-hunting with the drama teacher's wife who's a realtor; Sheldon could have been interfering with Wil's TV science show or even better, writing scripts for it; Raj could have met a girl who doesn't want to go to bed as soon as she's been introduced to him and they could be shown doing interesting things that don't cost much money. Sheldon could buy a car and take confidence-building refresher driving lessons; Penny could have an idea for a new medicine; She might read an article and suspect she's infertile thanks to her and Leonard's chequered sexual pasts, but turn out to be wrong.  All this stuff they have the foundations for already and the development of it could use up a lot of episodes with a little bit of it every week. Lots of 'coulds' there and I'm sure we all have our own ideas. Why the writers seem short of them, goodness knows.

[spidergirl]

8 hours ago, Lagernisse said:

The writers seems to be pretty stuck with their storytelling about some of the characters on the show  in my opinion to be honest. 

Agree. I would add they are getting to be stuck with that to most characters at the moment. However I , as viewer, have to keep the faith they would improve about it soon. Because if I stop to believe they could, I will only  have two choices: or I stop watching or I stop posting here. I am not willing to pick none at moment so I still believe. 

Edited November 12, 2017 by spidergirl

[Swedish Chef]

4 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Well said ! Last year  I hoped for more seasons because I wanted to know what was going to happen to these people. So far it's b ____r all. Of course we can't have life-changing events every week, that wouldn't be believable and a little repetition is good for continuity,  but they're a third of the way through a season now and they've done next to nothing. They haven't even built on anything that has come up.

There's plenty they could have followed up on. Amy and Howard could have made something useful in their prosthetic project and won a prize and got featured on the news ; Sheldon and Howard could have designed and built a better model rocket and made some money; Beverly could have come to stay in 4a at Penny's invitation while she writes a book or escapes after giving a controversial radio interview about her last one on high-achieving couples; We could have had some girls' nights with Bernie stretched out on the sofa;  Shamy could have been house-hunting with the drama teacher's wife who's a realtor; Sheldon could have been interfering with Wil's TV science show or even better, writing scripts for it; Raj could have met a girl who doesn't want to go to bed as soon as she's been introduced to him and they could be shown doing interesting things that don't cost much money. Sheldon could buy a car and take confidence-building refresher driving lessons; Penny could have an idea for a new medicine; She might read an article and suspect she's infertile thanks to her and Leonard's chequered sexual pasts, but turn out to be wrong.  All this stuff they have the foundations for already and the development of it could use up a lot of episodes with a little bit of it every week. Lots of 'coulds' there and I'm sure we all have our own ideas. Why the writers seem short of them, goodness knows.

I agree with all you wrote and to me it feels like the writers are using old discarding scripts from previous seasons because the stories they are telling doesn't really fit in season 11 at the moment in my opinion. 

[djsurrey]

10 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Agree. I would add they are getting to be stuck with that to most characters at the moment. However I , as viewer, have to keep the faith they would improve about it soon. Because if I stop to believe they could, I will only  have two choices: or I stop watching or I stop posting here. I am not willing to pick none at moment so I still believe. 

Funny, with this episode I thought we saw something new. Bert closing the door in Sheldon's face.

[bfm]

29 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Agree. I would add they are getting to be stuck with that to most characters at the moment. However I , as viewer, have to keep the faith they would improve about it soon. Because if I stop to believe they could, I will only  have two choices: or I stop watching or I stop posting here. I am not willing to pick none at moment so I still believe. 

I don't think they will be making major developments but still watch and post... I am hoping for minor developments here and there and also when done right a "filler episode" can be really fun (think "The Scavanger Vortex").