episodes 1108 - The Tesla Recoil (November 16)

[April]

3 minutes ago, bfm said:

I disagree with some of your comments but mostly about Bernie. There have been many times her meam side was shown. You are right that she's not like season 4 Bernie but that character is not so much the Bernie we have come to know, in many respects.

Yeah, Bernie's ruthlessness at work has been pretty consistently established in the past years, like when Penny and her boss bonded over how mean Bernie is, or even when Bernie was worried about her projects before she had Halley and ended up threatening the higher ups with a lawsuit or something. This is a later season thing.

[bfm]

3 minutes ago, April said:

Yeah, Bernie's ruthlessness at work has been pretty consistently established in the past years, like when Penny and her boss bonded over how mean Bernie is, or even when Bernie was worried about her projects before she had Halley and ended up threatening the higher ups with a lawsuit or something. This is a later season thing.

There was also the incident when she signed a get well card thinking it was a farewell card and hoped the woman will die or something luke that before she reads it. Not career promoting but morally questionable, to say the least... I think that was season 6 and Howard asks her there if she was like this when they met, which could be seen as a meta joke on her change.

[spidergirl]

I might have not explained myself  properly about my opinion about Bernie, my apologies. Yes, it has been consistently established earlier her ruthlessness at work and that is ic. What I meant  was how she is getting too rough this season about her interactions with others. Her hormones may have a word to say about it but I dont think it is funny she almost cross the lines often like she was someone close to get furious  to most of people, including her husband.

That s what meant but it is just my opinion, course. Doesnt mean it is how the most of people would take on it...

Edited November 17, 2017 by spidergirl
Improved last sentence

[April]

Just now, bfm said:

There was also the incident when she signed a get well card thinking it was a farewell card and hoped the woman will die or something luke that before she reads it. Not career promoting but morally questionable, to say the least... I think that was season 6 and Howard asks her there if she was like this when they met, which could be seen as a meta joke on her change.

Oh, was that so early? I thought it was later. Either way though, it's not something that has dramatically changed in the past few seasons so that there'd be a distinctive feeling of "Bernie's character development regressed" here.

[Kathy2611]

9 minutes ago, bfm said:

There was also the incident when she signed a get well card thinking it was a farewell card and hoped the woman will die or something luke that before she reads it. Not career promoting but morally questionable, to say the least... I think that was season 6 and Howard asks her there if she was like this when they met, which could be seen as a meta joke on her change.

7:19. The Indecision Amalgamation 

[vonmar]

3 hours ago, spidergirl said:

Do you know how the show looks like these days? That was found a notebook of storyplots from s6 lost behind a scenario from the set and the writers decided to use them this season and only write original stuff for s12! What a lack of creativity and good execution of the storyplots!

The dialogues have made me cringe more than I wished and that sense of "let put the charaters fight and be offensive among themselves because it will surely be fun" in this episode ,,,well it did not please me a bit and the worst was I laughed once in the whole episode....

All guys imo did wrong about their work project and I dont think they learned any lesson from it for the future as the show these days live of repetitive plots and jokes. I wonder why all characters (at least for me) look like s9 and 10 did not happen. I know continuity is something not always followed on the show but this season seem cut and past pieces from old seasons as they dont make any sense for most of things characters were living by the end of s10.

BTW, I hate what they are doing with Bernie. The character needs bed rest but it doesnt mean she has to sound so violent or paranoid. Imo it doesnt suit the character we know from since s4. She is smart and also sarcastic but not so rough....

 

And what was the point of Ruchi on the show? Imo is the bigest mistery of the moment..

 

 

It's odd, the show does feel a little "off" to me and I'm confused as to why this is happening.

Holland has the reins, but Lorre, Prady and Molaro are all still involved.  We've seen pictures of them all there on tape night.  It's still Lorre and Prady's baby.  Lorre has put his foot down in the past when he hasn't like a particular scene, even demanding re-shoots.  It's assumed that they track the ratings and I would assume that someone is reading the recaps/reviews the day after an episode airs, so why are we seeing what we are seeing.

My only guess is that they are on some sort of internal story arc where everything that is happening is leading to something.  I don't know what that could be, but it is happening under the watchful eyes of TPTB and this has to be happening for a reason.

[veejay]

11 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Or for some people he seems to be der Kotzbrocken. I'd call him ein Arsch mit Ohren or say Der hat nicht alle Tassen in Schrank.

Himmel, Arsch und Zwirn. You're loosing the "Zimt" on your "Zicke".

[April]

7 hours ago, vonmar said:

My only guess is that they are on some sort of internal story arc where everything that is happening is leading to something.  I don't know what that could be, but it is happening under the watchful eyes of TPTB and this has to be happening for a reason.

Yeah, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop on this one. If, say, there's some sort of payoff at the end of whatever is going on with Sheldon this season that explains his behaviour beyond "there's a new showrunner in town" then I'm sure willing to reevaluate the writing.

[bfm]

11 hours ago, spidergirl said:

I might have not explained myself  properly about my opinion about Bernie, my apologies. Yes, it has been consistently established earlier her ruthlessness at work and that is ic. What I meant  was how she is getting too rough this season about her interactions with others. Her hormones may have a word to say about it but I dont think it is funny she almost cross the lines often like she was someone close to get furious  to most of people, including her husband.

That s what meant but it is just my opinion, course. Doesnt mean it is how the most of people would take on it...

Oh, got it. Thanks for clarifying. Although I didn't feel it was too much, I think Bernie cares a lot about her job and is really worried her career might suffer. 

 

9 hours ago, vonmar said:

It's odd, the show does feel a little "off" to me and I'm confused as to why this is happening.

Holland has the reins, but Lorre, Prady and Molaro are all still involved.  We've seen pictures of them all there on tape night.  It's still Lorre and Prady's baby.  Lorre has put his foot down in the past when he hasn't like a particular scene, even demanding re-shoots.  It's assumed that they track the ratings and I would assume that someone is reading the recaps/reviews the day after an episode airs, so why are we seeing what we are seeing.

My only guess is that they are on some sort of internal story arc where everything that is happening is leading to something.  I don't know what that could be, but it is happening under the watchful eyes of TPTB and this has to be happening for a reason.

Okay so I usually give likes to posts I fully agree with but I really like yours so I gave it a tiara haha. 

I don't feel things are much more off than they have been in past seasons, especially 10. I think ships has to do with that, Lenny as a couple and as individuals felt really off to me in seasons 8-10 (again especially 10) and now it feels like they are getting back to themselves. Sheldon on the other hand... I think he has lost his sharpness before this season, in fact we have been discussing it prior to this season. But in seasons 8-10 we were shown different parts of him, especially the "romantic" part, his growth in regards to Amy. To me What we're seeing now, in most part (I do think thus episode was a bit too much), is not regression, but things that are still there and were not seen in seasons 8-10 that much because the situations that give rise to these behaviors in Sheldon weren't the focus of his plots. Behaviors like these in some occasions prior to this season, for example when he did the interview about the super helium and didn't include Leonard. I think we're seeing that Sheldon developed when it comes to his relationship with Amy but he's not that changed in other regards. 

What I like about your post the most is your thoughts about them having some goal. I agree and I think it can be speculated reading Holland's interviews. I think they are showing Sheldon getting told off more and more. They are also showing Leonard coming to understand he can be more rough with him*. Maybe they're building to a rupture between Sheldon and friend/s/the group or Sheldon and someone else where all/most of the group do not support Sheldon, with the consequences of him making more efforts to be better to other people.

 

*Remember the whole thing started with the two of them? And lately we have Sheldon asking him for a ride, in "The Colaboration Contamination" it lead to the siren game and Leonard raising Sheldon's feelings about Amy and Howard's collaboration but in this episode it didn't really get us somewhere specific, maybe it was to remind us that they're still friends and hang out on a daily, casual basis.

Edited November 18, 2017 by bfm

[mirs1]

48 minutes ago, bfm said:

Oh, go it. Thanks for clarifying. Although I didn't feel it was too much, I think Bernie cares a lot about her job and is really worried her career might suffer. 

 

Okay so I usually give likes to posts I fully agree with but I really like yours so I gave it a tiara haha. 

I don't feel things are much more off than they have been in past seasons, especially 10. I think ships has to do with that, Lenny as a couple and as individuals felt really off to me in seasons 8-10 (again especially 10) and now it feels like they are getting back to themselves. Sheldon on the other hand... I think he has lost his sharpness before this season, in fact we have been discussing it prior to this season. But in seasons 8-10 we were shown different parts of him, especially the "romantic" part, his growth in regards to Amy. To me What we're seeing now, in most part (I do think thus episode was a bit too much), is not regression, but things that are still there and were not seen in seasons 8-10 that much because the situations that give rise to these behaviors in Sheldon weren't the focus of his plots. Behaviors like these in some occasions prior to this season, for example when he did the interview about the super helium and didn't include Leonard. I think we're seeing that Sheldon developed when it comes to his relationship with Amy but he's not that changed in other regards. 

What I like about your post the most is your thoughts about them having some goal. I agree and I think it can be speculated reading Holland's interviews. I think they are showing Sheldon getting told off more and more. They are also showing Leonard coming to understand he can be more rough with him*. Maybe they're building to a rupture between Sheldon and friend/s/the group or Sheldon and someone else where all/most of the group do not support Sheldon, with the consequences of him making more efforts to be better to other people.

 

*Remember the whole thing started with the two of them? And lately we have Sheldon asking him for a ride, in "The Colaboration Contamination" it lead to the siren game and Leonard raising Sheldon's feelings about Amy and Howard's collaboration but in this episode it didn't really get us somewhere specific, maybe it was to remind us that they're still friends and hang out on a daily, casual basis.

Yes and no. It's true that this season so far has been less focused on romantic relationships (which is not bad, per se, if only the other things it was focused on were funny) and in particular on the things that softened Sheldon's character. But it's also true that he has been there with all the career issues he is having this season, and he "seemed" to have learnt the lesson at the times. Plus, IMO, they have sharpened his flows. I get what you are saying about him facing the consequences of his actions, but that didn't happen in this episode, which to me is by far the worst thing he has ever made career-wise. Not sharing credits with Leonard in S. 8 was bad, but that was a review piece (on a very important journal, I admit that), it's not like Sheldon published the original paper just in his name. This time it is a whole other level of bad, he used a very recent research he did with other colleagues to pitch a project with the military, which would have given him a lot of funds.  If a colleague, let alone a friend, did something like that to me, I'd make sure they would never work with me (or with anybody attached to me) again. However, the way the episode ended, with both him and Leonard and Howard loosing their projects, reinforced him in the fact that he was "right" all along. It didn't help that Amy herself said everyone acted badly. So, even if I'm all for this to be a story arc and going somewhere, this episode doesn't seem point in the right direction.

Edited November 18, 2017 by mirs1

[bfm]

1 hour ago, mirs1 said:

Yes and no. It's true that this season so far has been less focused on romantic relationships (which is not bad, per se, if only the other things it was focused on were funny) and in particular on the things that softened Sheldon's character. But it's also true that he has been there with all the career issues he is having this season, and he "seemed" to have learnt the lesson at the times. Plus, IMO, they have sharpened his flows. I get what you are saying about him facing the consequences of his actions, but that didn't happen in this episode, which to me is by far the worst thing he has ever made career-wise. Not sharing credits with Leonard in S. 8 was bad, but that was a review piece (on a very important journal, I admit that), it's not like Sheldon published the original paper just in his name. This time it is a whole other level of bad, he used a very recent research he did with other colleagues to pitch a project with the military, which would have given him a lot of funds.  If a colleague, let alone a friend, did something like that to me, I'd make sure they would never work with me (or with anybody attached to me) again. However, the way the episode ended, with both him and Leonard and Howard loosing their projects, reinforced him in the fact that he was "right" all along. It didn't help that Amy herself said everyone acted badly. So, even if I'm all for this to be a story arc and going somewhere, this episode doesn't seem point in the right direction.

I agree he didn't get half of what he should have gotten and I didn't like they put the "everybody was wrong" spin on that because Leonard and Howard's wrong was different, it was a wrong coming out of revenge (that's part of the tit-for-tat theme I said I didn't like). But I think he would have gotten out of it much better were it season 9 or 10. Howard and Leonard did come and say directly what they thought to his face and Amy did justify them on that. He was even kind of mocked for not really growing in that regard. In previous seasons I felt there was too much Sheldon glorifying. I'm glad this is changing, although I do agree they sometimes (like this time) take it too far.

[spidergirl]

9 hours ago, vonmar said:

It's odd, the show does feel a little "off" to me and I'm confused as to why this is happening.

Holland has the reins, but Lorre, Prady and Molaro are all still involved.  We've seen pictures of them all there on tape night.  It's still Lorre and Prady's baby.  Lorre has put his foot down in the past when he hasn't like a particular scene, even demanding re-shoots.  It's assumed that they track the ratings and I would assume that someone is reading the recaps/reviews the day after an episode airs, so why are we seeing what we are seeing.

My only guess is that they are on some sort of internal story arc where everything that is happening is leading to something.  I don't know what that could be, but it is happening under the watchful eyes of TPTB and this has to be happening for a reason.

Tbh it is hard to believe that some of internal story arc could be behind all these storyplots from s11 so far as they seem to me litle cut and past tidbits from earlier seasons. I hope you could be right because it would make at least some sense though.

[Jonny]

Yeah the hope is that there is an episode when it gets resolved and you think to yourself  'Ah, now all that build up made sense with hindsight'. But I don't think Sheldon is learning anything much from these episodes at all so you have got to wonder what the endpoint to this arc (assuming we are still on this kind of arc that Holland mentioned before the season started, it could be over and what are seeing now has nothing to do with it) will be.

[April]

@bfm

I think you bring up some good points.

1) RE: The show feels "off". I think we can compromise here that this depends on one's personal preferences. The show sure felt "off" looking at it through Lenny shipping glasses since at least S8 (some even say earlier). S11 now feels less "off" cause it reversed the course from the past few seasons with Lenny leading to more enjoyment from their fans. Outside of the Lenny focus the show felt less "off" in the past years cause the Shamy and even Howardette portions followed a rather coherent narrative about their respective relationships evolving. The stories and character developments here have been pretty great if that's what you're into. The change in S11 now comes off as a hard cut to those storylines and thus the season feels more "off" in these areas (though it's probably worse with Shamy than with Howardette cause the latter are usually more in the background thus minimising the jarring effect).

2) RE: The Sheldon issue with S11. If you're a fan of Sheldon's development then the last 3 seasons were like catnip. (Naturally, if that version of Sheldon doesn't jive with your old school headcanon or if you just don't care about the guy you'd be a lot less thrilled.) From the tentative beginnings in S8 to the big shift in S9 to the even bigger payoff in S10 it felt rather coherent and flowed nicely as a character arc. But as you said, this might have been because it mostly concentrated on his private issues, mainly his relationship with Amy and occasionally trying to be a good friend. And he has been consistently shown to try his best and really make an effort. Sure, he sometimes still fucked up and was an ass but those occasions became less and less as time moved on. Now in S11 however he's in full on asshole mode for some reason. We're one third into the season and he's displayed more awful behaviour than in all of S10 combined. It could indeed be because of his job issues and I would agree with you that they haven't been addressed in the show so far on an appropriately lager scale (probably because the personal issues were the bigger focus). Anyway, there could indeed be something bigger at play here and Holland even suggested there would be a bit of an arc about that. But the jarring part is how it's presented. With Amy at the beginning of the season he was still shown to make an effort and deal with the situation. So far so good. But then it kinda went down hill and one episode after another it seems to be escalating further and further. And it's decidedly not a "Sheldon learns a lesson" situation cause even though he is called out for his behaviour (which is good, no doubt) there's no reflection about it, no lesson learned, no resolution. Not yet anyway. And this lack of resolution and the lack of Sheldon showing even a minimal amount of willingness to do better like he did in S9/10 is what feels so jarring about it making many of us question whether or not this is indeed an arc or just Holland dicking around with some old ideas.

Fingers crossed this all will lead to a proper payoff in the end!

[Die Zimtzicke]

4 hours ago, veejay said:

Himmel, Arsch und Zwirn. You're loosing the "Zimt" on your "Zicke".

Well, Sheldon DOES have big ears. LOL! I've only been on one other board where someone made a comment about that screen name, which of course means a bi+chy and quarrelsome old woman. This is a treat, But i try to stay away from German usually as I am really not good at it anymore. I haven't spoken it since my grandfather died forty some odd years ago. Some of his favorite phrases will never leave me. though. When he was really old and we were trying to get him to do things I heard, "Du kannst mich mal am Arsch lecken!" more times than I needed to. I often wonder which of TBBT characters would have the most colorful vocabulary if it were allowed. I'll bet Bernie could let loose if she wanted to.

1 hour ago, April said:

And he has been consistently shown to try his best and really make an effort. Sure, he sometimes still fucked up and was an ass but those occasions became less and less as time moved on. Now in S11 however he's in full on asshole mode for some reason. We're one third into the season and he's displayed more awful behaviour than in all of S10 combined. It could indeed be because of his job issues and I would agree with you that they haven't been addressed in the show so far on an appropriately lager scale (probably because the personal issues were the bigger focus). Anyway, there could indeed be something bigger at play here and Holland even suggested there would be a bit of an arc about that. But the jarring part is how it's presented.

This is a fantastic comment. I salute you.

[veejay]

1 hour ago, April said:

@bfm

I think you bring up some good points.

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Fingers crossed this all will lead to a proper payoff in the end!

I agree with your analysis. I would like to add one more aspect. In addition to the basic problem of continuity and plausibility in the series, from today's point of view it seems to me that a simultaneous development has taken place between the sequence of S. 1-7 using Lenny as an example and Shamy's development since S. 4-10 which follows a similar pattern. The outstanding feature within both directions arises from the character of Sheldon, who has been enthroned from the very beginning as an unpredictable contemporary (kind of an elephant in the room) about all things. Here I'm closing my cycle to a possible end in Season 12.

[bfm]

3 hours ago, April said:

@bfm

I think you bring up some good points.

1) RE: The show feels "off". I think we can compromise here that this depends on one's personal preferences. The show sure felt "off" looking at it through Lenny shipping glasses since at least S8 (some even say earlier). S11 now feels less "off" cause it reversed the course from the past few seasons with Lenny leading to more enjoyment from their fans. Outside of the Lenny focus the show felt less "off" in the past years cause the Shamy and even Howardette portions followed a rather coherent narrative about their respective relationships evolving. The stories and character developments here have been pretty great if that's what you're into. The change in S11 now comes off as a hard cut to those storylines and thus the season feels more "off" in these areas (though it's probably worse with Shamy than with Howardette cause the latter are usually more in the background thus minimising the jarring effect).

2) RE: The Sheldon issue with S11. If you're a fan of Sheldon's development then the last 3 seasons were like catnip. (Naturally, if that version of Sheldon doesn't jive with your old school headcanon or if you just don't care about the guy you'd be a lot less thrilled.) From the tentative beginnings in S8 to the big shift in S9 to the even bigger payoff in S10 it felt rather coherent and flowed nicely as a character arc. But as you said, this might have been because it mostly concentrated on his private issues, mainly his relationship with Amy and occasionally trying to be a good friend. And he has been consistently shown to try his best and really make an effort. Sure, he sometimes still fucked up and was an ass but those occasions became less and less as time moved on. Now in S11 however he's in full on asshole mode for some reason. We're one third into the season and he's displayed more awful behaviour than in all of S10 combined. It could indeed be because of his job issues and I would agree with you that they haven't been addressed in the show so far on an appropriately lager scale (probably because the personal issues were the bigger focus). Anyway, there could indeed be something bigger at play here and Holland even suggested there would be a bit of an arc about that. But the jarring part is how it's presented. With Amy at the beginning of the season he was still shown to make an effort and deal with the situation. So far so good. But then it kinda went down hill and one episode after another it seems to be escalating further and further. And it's decidedly not a "Sheldon learns a lesson" situation cause even though he is called out for his behaviour (which is good, no doubt) there's no reflection about it, no lesson learned, no resolution. Not yet anyway. And this lack of resolution and the lack of Sheldon showing even a minimal amount of willingness to do better like he did in S9/10 is what feels so jarring about it making many of us question whether or not this is indeed an arc or just Holland dicking around with some old ideas.

Fingers crossed this all will lead to a proper payoff in the end!

I agree with you in general but differ in some nuances.

I don't see a "jarring effect" with Howardette, they just appear less as a couple because Melissa works less (I think, she had a major part in this episode but a very minor one in the prior episode).

Re: Sheldon's growth. I think if you take out all Shamy parts and just look at his other parts in seasons 8-10 you won't see that much growth. He had parts where he tried harder but I don't think it was that much... His treatment of his friends for example has been mostly bad, sometimes way over the line (e.g., inviting a homeless person who could be dangerous to his "best friends"' house). I do agree in this episode it does feel that he has regressed but I think the real change is smaller than the percieved change. Notwithstanding, at the end of the day I think the "feel" of the show is more important for viewers than the logical plausibility of it (not that the latter is unimportant, I'm talking relatively...) and the percieved change is the one that is relevant for it. If you are more focused on Shamy their scenes would naturally be more prominent in the composition of your perception of Sheldon, hence the percieved change could be greater for you. If you are less focused on them and perhaps, like me, more focused on Lenny, to which his behavior was far far worse in seasons 8-10, then the percieved change could be smaller for you. 

Anyway, I hope we will get a payoff soon. Actually I started hoping it will come from Shelnard or Sheldon-Lenny I think that could be interesting if they seriously go with it and not just give in quickly and reverse everything like they did many times before (e.g., the friendship retraction, the GoT episode, the super helium interview...).  

[April]

3 minutes ago, bfm said:

I agree with you in general but differ in some nuances.

I don't see a "jarring effect" with Howardette, they just appear less as a couple because Melissa works less (I think, she had a major part in this episode but a very minor one in the prior episode).

Yes, of course there's less of an issue with them if you know the reason behind the second pregnancy and all that. And as said, they are more in the background anyway. But on a strict writing level there's still a change with them as well thanks to the lack of couple's stories in general. If you were a big Howardette fan and were hoping for more sweetness with them this season wouldn't have that much to offer.

3 minutes ago, bfm said:

Re: Sheldon's growth. I think if you take out all Shamy parts and just look at his other parts in seasons 8-10 you won't see that much growth. He had parts where he tried harder but I don't think it was that much... His treatment of his friends for example has been mostly bad, sometimes way over the line (e.g., inviting a homeless person who could be dangerous to his "best friends"' house). I do agree in this episode it does feel that he has regressed but I think the real change is smaller than the percieved change. Notwithstanding, at the end of the day I think the "feel" of the show is more important for viewers than the logical plausibility of it (not that the latter is unimportant, I'm talking relatively...) and the percieved change is the one that is relevant for it. If you are more focused on Shamy their scenes would naturally be more prominent in the composition of your perception of Sheldon, hence the percieved change could be greater for you. If you are less focused on them and perhaps, like me, more focused on Lenny, to which his behavior was far far worse in seasons 8-10, then the percieved change could be smaller for you. 

Well, since we're both having our personal viewpoints I could counter that Sheldon is by far not as bad as you percieve him to be and mostly he isn't more or less awful to his friends than his friends are to him (exceptions prove the rule, etc etc). In the end that wouldn't get us anywhere. The truth (if one can even call it that) is as usual probably somewhere in the middle.

I'd still like to point out though, if only to clarify my earlier post, that the biggest change for me is not nessessarily how well he pulls off being a good friend but rather that he's willing to try and work on himself. Or at least he was until S11 where at most he's willing to do better for Amy in the early episodes but none of this attitude seems to be left for his friends now.

3 minutes ago, bfm said:

Anyway, I hope we will get a payoff soon. Actually I started hoping it will come from Shelnard or Sheldon-Lenny I think that could be interesting if they seriously go with it and not just give in quickly and reverse everything like they did many times before (e.g., the friendship retraction, the GoT episode, the super helium interview...).  

Yeah, I'm curious how they'll solve this if there is indeed some sort of big plan behind all of it. We'll see.

[bfm]

3 hours ago, April said:

Well, since we're both having our personal viewpoints I could counter that Sheldon is by far not as bad as you percieve him to be and mostly he isn't more or less awful to his friends than his friends are to him (exceptions prove the rule, etc etc). In the end that wouldn't get us anywhere. The truth (if one can even call it that) is as usual probably somewhere in the middle.

Yeah I certainly do not agree with that. Not saying the others are so great but I think they (at least Leonard and Penny) are better friends to him than he is to them. But we will never agree on that 

3 hours ago, April said:

Yes, of course there's less of an issue with them if you know the reason behind the second pregnancy and all that. And as said, they are more in the background anyway. But on a strict writing level there's still a change with them as well thanks to the lack of couple's stories in general. If you were a big Howardette fan and were hoping for more sweetness with them this season wouldn't have that much to offer.

I think they did have some sweet little moments, e.g., "I'm runnimg to you". Again given the circumstances I think that's fine and I don't see it as a writing problem.

[April]

4 minutes ago, bfm said:

Yeah I certainly do not agree with that. Not saying the others are so great but I think they (at least Leonard and Penny) are better friends to him than he is to them. But we will never agree on that 

Exactly my point! LOL

10 minutes ago, bfm said:

I think they did have some sweet little moments, e.g., "I'm runnimg to you". Again given the circumstances I think that's fine and I don't see it as a writing problem.

Yes, but they also had a good old "Bernie is Howard's ersatz mother" joke again. ugh

[bfm]

29 minutes ago, April said:

 

Yes, but they also had a good old "Bernie is Howard's ersatz mother" joke again. ugh

IDK I actually liked that joke, and Sheldon's "congratulations" (that is a proper use of Sheldon, IMO!). I don't dislike these jokes per se, it's a matter of dosage for me. 

[April]

1 minute ago, bfm said:

IDK I actually liked that joke, and Sheldon's "congratulations" (that is a proper use of Sheldon, IMO!). I don't dislike these jokes per se, it's a matter of dosage for me. 

Everyone has their pet peeves - this just happens to be the one I have with Howardette. Or rather "had" cause thankfully they abandonned that schtick a while ago. But I'm sure not happy to see that old S6 nonsense brought back as well.

[bfm]

2 minutes ago, April said:

Everyone has their pet peeves - this just happens to be the one I have with Howardette. Or rather "had" cause thankfully they abandonned that schtick a while ago. But I'm sure not happy to see that old S6 nonsense brought back as well.

I expected it when it was revealed that Melissa is pregnant (so she wouldn't be seen as much).

Edited November 18, 2017 by bfm

[3ku11]

The show has been off for a few seasons now. Not sure why people expected a dramatic change under a new Showrunner. Like the quality of the storylines under Holland has vastly improoved under Steve Holland. But hearing comments like "Not liking the show under Holland". I ask the question whats changed really under Holland compared to Moloro? Nothing that I can tell. 

[Shelldon]

This episode isn't worth a wall. It made me recoil.

1. It's not believable at all that Sheldon would be hired back to the military. In fact, it was contrived that they all got fired last season just for the mean-spirited humor of it. Sheldon is a scumbag who has the reset button pressed on his morals every week. Caring too much about other's feelings? No. He's just mad he got caught and people were angry at him.  Kripke winning in the end is lame.

2. They finally took my idea to have Raj be forced to choose between his friends and a girl. The problem is I liked Ruchi. Now it just seems like her past two plotlines were setting up her career fixation and her telling Raj straight out last week that she disagrees with his entire romance worldview just to tie both together into her concluding episode. RajxRuchi can still work as an endgame if in a future episode Raj is able to change her mind....but I don't see that kind of character development happening here. Just a case of cruel people doing cruel things to each other and Raj misreading a situation. P.S. Bernadette is terribly evil and I don't mind any karma towards her.  P.S.S. Ruchi was mega hot.