episodes 1110 - The Confidence Erosion (December 7)

[luminous]

1 hour ago, bfm said:

Of course but her reaction to what Leonard said was actually a barb, Penny understands implications very well. I felt it was completely unnecessary in an episode where she truly tries to be nicer, it just made that niceness seem vain.

I thought it was unnecessary too upon first hearing, but the way how Penny said it and the way Leonard reacted don't let me look back at this particular line with disgruntlement. The nice things Penny said before are the things that stick in my memory when think of this episode.

Apart from that I totally agree with everything what is said about this episode in the Lenny shipper thread.

Edited December 10, 2017 by luminous

[Stephen Hawking]

14 hours ago, Chrismo said:

Didn't  Sheldon tell Amy in  episode three this season to plan the wedding? Didn't he basically say tell me when and I will be there?

People can change their mind.

Maybe he realised, that a wedding at City Hall wasn't good enough, for the woman who is better than dark matter.

Edited December 10, 2017 by Stephen Hawking

[Stephen Hawking]

9 hours ago, Chrismo said:

But at the Observatory Raj’s talk was meant for people like Penny not the rest of the guys or Amy. It was made simple for people to understand.

Like Dr. Brian Greene's new book, The Hidden Reality.

BTW. I've only just realised, that it's a real book, rather than something they invented for the show.

Edited December 10, 2017 by Stephen Hawking

[Chrismo]

39 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

People can change their mind.

Maybe he realised, that a wedding at City Hall wasn't good enough, for the woman who is better than dark matter.

I get that people change their mind. But it appears to me what Sheldon stated in episode 3 about letting Amy plan everything was totally ignored in this episode. I.can understand this storyline if Sheldon said nothing in episode 3. Also the end result was obvious before it played out. They weren't getting married at city hall.

25 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Like Dr. Brian Greene's new book, The Hidden Reality.

BTW. I've only just realised, that it's a real book, rather than something they invented for the show.

Exactly. I was thinking of that (and  ( and couldn't remember) when I wrote that.

[Jonny]

21 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I get that people change their mind. But it appears to me what Sheldon stated in episode 3 about letting Amy plan everything was totally ignored in this episode. I.can understand this storyline if Sheldon said nothing in episode 3. Also the end result was obvious before it played out. They weren't getting married at city hall.

Exactly. I was thinking of that (and  ( and couldn't remember) when I wrote that.

I never thought for a minute Sheldon would give up full decision making, you had him chuddering on as he went to have a shower what he thought about a cliff side wedding.

Maybe he changed his mind offscreen when he saw his fiancee planning it all and wanted to help? Maybe Sheldon came across some article suggesting scientific methods of wedding planning and it piqued his interest? Or Amy lured him in with sexy science talk after she found this process?

I think from a comedy perspective it gives them more options if they are indeed both involved in the planning process, so the writers got both of them involved in it.

[Chrismo]

33 minutes ago, Jonny said:

I never thought for a minute Sheldon would give up full decision making, you had him chuddering on as he went to have a shower what he thought about a cliff side wedding.

Maybe he changed his mind offscreen when he saw his fiancee planning it all and wanted to help? Maybe Sheldon came across some article suggesting scientific methods of wedding planning and it piqued his interest? Or Amy lured him in with sexy science talk after she found this process?

I think from a comedy perspective it gives them more options if they are indeed both involved in the planning process, so the writers got both of them involved in it.

i understand what you are saying but then don't have him say the line period in episode 3. to me some reference had to be said on screen especially since he said it this season. Doesn't he remember everything he says? Does it give more comedy options? I suppose. But I know I'm not the only one tiring of wedding planning. To top it all off they didn't do decision science like Sheldon said  but random assignment. TPTB didn't even get the science right.

Edited December 10, 2017 by Chrismo

[April]

53 minutes ago, Jonny said:

I never thought for a minute Sheldon would give up full decision making, you had him chuddering on as he went to have a shower what he thought about a cliff side wedding.

Maybe he changed his mind offscreen when he saw his fiancee planning it all and wanted to help? Maybe Sheldon came across some article suggesting scientific methods of wedding planning and it piqued his interest? Or Amy lured him in with sexy science talk after she found this process?

I think from a comedy perspective it gives them more options if they are indeed both involved in the planning process, so the writers got both of them involved in it.

From what I gathered from their talk in the previous episode Amy wanted to make him part of the decision making process - why else would she take him looking for a location? To me she clearly wanted his input or else she could have just picked her favourite cliff and be done with it. It's not like she doesn't know Sheldon and his opinions about outdoorsy stuff (and one could even wonder if she wasn't so sure about this either cause she isn't exactly the beachy type herself, see their "never have I ever" for reference). In the end it's rather nice of her cause would you really want a wedding where your partner feels miserable? I sure wouldn't. Which is pretty much the conflict of this episode when they start their one-upmanship with the different decisions and realise that, no, this is stupid we need to stop. I think it works rather well like that.

So what 11x03 did was mostly stalling the wedding preparations and have Amy tinker a bit with it in the background as per a few mentions here and there. And now wedding preparations are brought back to the forefront. Was it needed? Eh, Idk. Is it some sort of terrible inconsistency? Nah.

[Die Zimtzicke]

1 hour ago, Chrismo said:

I get that people change their mind. But it appears to me what Sheldon stated in episode 3 about letting Amy plan everything was totally ignored in this episode. I.can understand this storyline if Sheldon said nothing in episode 3. Also the end result was obvious before it played out. They weren't getting married at city hall.

I never thought Amy wanted it that way, with no input at all from him.

[Jonny]

3 minutes ago, April said:

From what I gathered from their talk in the previous episode Amy wanted to make him part of the decision making process - why else would she take him looking for a location? To me she clearly wanted his input or else she could have just picked her favourite cliff and be done with it. It's not like she doesn't know Sheldon and his opinions about outdoorsy stuff (and one could even wonder if she wasn't so sure about this either cause she isn't exactly the beachy type herself, see their "never have I ever" for reference). In the end it's rather nice of her cause would you really want a wedding where your partner feels miserable? I sure wouldn't. Which is pretty much the conflict of this episode when they start their one-upmanship with the different decisions and realise that, no, this is stupid we need to stop. I think it works rather well like that.

So what 11x03 did was mostly stalling the wedding preparations and have Amy tinker a bit with it in the background as per a few mentions here and there. And now wedding preparations are brought back to the forefront. Was it needed? Eh, Idk. Is it some sort of terrible inconsistency? Nah.

I just go off the assumption that he or they changed their mind offscreen. Which I think is perfectly plausible.

lol it wouldn't be the first time this show has the character saying one thing and doing the opposite later even in the same season.

I think its a good thing they are both involved as long as they can compromise and make it work.

[April]

Just now, Jonny said:

I just go off the assumption that he or they changed their mind offscreen. Which I think is perfectly plausible.

lol it wouldn't be the first time this show has the character saying one thing and doing the opposite later even in the same season.

I think its a good thing they are both involved as long as they can compromise and make it work.

Oh indeed. I just wouldn't put the onus here completely on Sheldon - I think Amy was involved in this as well, maybe even more so than him. After all we've heard about her planning quite a bit. I like the idea that they're both working this out, and preferably in a manner that doesn't stress them too much.

[Jonny]

Just now, April said:

Oh indeed. I just wouldn't put the onus here completely on Sheldon - I think Amy was involved in this as well, maybe even more so than him. After all we've heard about her planning quite a bit. I like the idea that they're both working this out, and preferably in a manner that doesn't stress them too much.

I suspect Amy is more involved in the planning and organising, like you said we know she has made more references to it. Sheldon also at the end of this one kind of gave her the lead on this again.

I think they will both be involved in decisions but Amy will be in charge of it more.

[Chrismo]

2 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I never thought Amy wanted it that way, with no input at all from him.

I'm not denying that. I can only go by what he said at the time. I never heard her say that she needed his help.

[joyceraye]

On 08/12/2017 at 11:56 AM, RoRo said:

I liked this episode. I liked the Shamy interaction and Sheldons speech about dark matter, basically saying that Amy is the light in his life. I liked the Raj storyline and that he did just fine without Howard. I liked that Lenny were supportive friends. I still am trying to figure out why they have changed Amys look back to a few seasons ago with the poker straight hair  (I liked the softer look and the dresses that made her look still geeky but more modern). Over all a good episode when I was becoming disappointed.

I can't recall that they've been to anything as formal as a wedding since they moved into 4B so Amy won't have had occasion to go shopping for a smart or ptretty dress. She'd need to choose the most suitable from what she had available. I supose that lightweight costume could have been folded in a drawer rather than hanging up where her other clothes got wet. Or perhaps it was among the ones that cleaned up all right.  I expect the dress she wore to Penny's park wedding was among the stuff that was destroyed. she probably thinks her hair looks smarter when it's straightened and held back by an alice band. She'd dispensed with the granny-tights for once and had nice shoes with heels. And she had enough fashion sense to realise the venue wasn't the place for a tiara ! They've both grown up a lot.

6 hours ago, Chrismo said:

I'm not denying that. I can only go by what he said at the time. I never heard her say that she needed his help.

Why is she doing it without Bernie and Penny ? Their weddings,especially Bernie's,involved the three of them.

[vonmar]

52 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Why is she doing it without Bernie and Penny ? Their weddings,especially Bernie's,involved the three of them.

I think most of Amy and Penny's involvement in Bernie's wedding happened later in the planning process.  Shopping for dresses, that sort of stuff...the kind of things that occur once the engaged couple make some major decisions. We may yet get to see the girls getting involved in the S/A process.

[Chrismo]

1 hour ago, vonmar said:

I think most of Amy and Penny's involvement in Bernie's wedding happened later in the planning process.  Shopping for dresses, that sort of stuff...the kind of things that occur once the engaged couple make some major decisions. We may yet get to see the girls getting involved in the S/A process.

Sheldon's interest in the process should be like most guys?

1. When and where is the wedding?

2. What am I wearing?

3. When's the bachelor party?

[vonmar]

2 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Sheldon's interest in the process should be like most guys?

1. When and where is the wedding?

2. What am I wearing?

3. When's the bachelor party?

Interesting, my husband was way more involved than that short list.

[legacy99]

Interesting, my husband was way more involved than that short list.

For me Chrismo has it down exactly the way i felt when i got married

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[vonmar]

4 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

For me Chrismo has it down exactly the way i felt when i got married

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So neither of you cared about things like the food, the booze, the guest list, or the honeymoon destination? Wow.

My husband had very strong opinions.

[legacy99]

So neither of you cared about things like the food, the booze, the guest list, or the honeymoon destination? Wow.
My husband had very strong opinions.

What can i say. It worked out great for us but like you say everyone is different and i bet we all had a good time either way

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[vonmar]

5 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

What can i say. It worked out great for us but like you say everyone is different and i bet we all had a good time either way

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I'm sure we both did.

[Tensor]

 

18 minutes ago, vonmar said:

So neither of you cared about things like the food... 

We couldn't afford much of anything. And I was going by the rule that it's the bride's day, so I let her get what she wanted.  It was simply finger sandwiches, the cake from her grandmother, and punch. 

18 minutes ago, vonmar said:

So neither of you cared about things like the ..., the booze,...

No booze, the church hall didn't allow it, and yes, she chose the church and type of ceremony.  

18 minutes ago, vonmar said:

So neither of you cared about things like... the guest list...

Except for my parents and brother, and her grandmother, the guest list was simply our friends.  My extended family didn't attend because...

18 minutes ago, vonmar said:

So neither of you cared about things like...the honeymoon destination? Wow.

She suggested going to my home town for our honeymoon because A) she wanted to see it, B ) it allowed my family to see us C) it was within our finances (i.e., we had various offers to stay for free).  About the only thing I was involved in, was the color of the tuxes.  

 

 

 

 

[vonmar]

14 minutes ago, Tensor said:

 

We couldn't afford much of anything. And I was going by the rule that it's the bride's day, so I let her get what she wanted.  It was simply finger sandwiches, the cake from her grandmother, and punch. 

No booze, the church hall didn't allow it, and yes, she chose the church and type of ceremony.  

Except for my parents and brother, and her grandmother, the guest list was simply our friends.  My extended family didn't attend because...

She suggested going to my home town for our honeymoon because A) she wanted to see it, B ) it allowed my family to see us C) it was within our finances (i.e., we had various offers to stay for free).  About the only thing I was involved in, was the color of the tuxes.  

A broad generalization was made...

1 hour ago, Chrismo said:

Sheldon's interest in the process should be like most guys?

It's very clear that every one's experience is different, that was my point.  

[Tensor]

You seemed surprised (that wow at the end) that they didn't care about the food, booze, guest list and honeymoon.   I was just giving my experience that I didn't care about those things.  

[djsurrey]

I was involved but not calling the shots. We had a lot of help and with that things kind of take on a life of their own. My wife even had a friend who volunteered as a wedding planner.  As I recall it was quite exhausting even still. Especially the invitations as we somehow decided to hand write them ourselves (biggest mistake from MPOV).

I do recall not caring about colors and flowers (I am color blind) but it was important to my bride that I be involved.

[Chrismo]

18 hours ago, vonmar said:

 

It's very clear that every one's experience is different, that was my point.  

But Sheldon is very much into chivalry and tradition thus  getting involved in wedding planning is OOC. And As I said before he stated that he was leaving the planning to Amy in episode 3.