episodes 1110 - The Confidence Erosion (December 7)

[Die Zimtzicke]

23 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Why is she doing it without Bernie and Penny ? Their weddings,especially Bernie's,involved the three of them.

Why should she ask them? Neither of them had a big wedding. Bernie's was the biggest but she is on bed rest.

[Chrismo]

1 hour ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Why should she ask them? Neither of them had a big wedding. Bernie's was the biggest but she is on bed rest.

Why not? Sheldon told Amy to do the planning so who's left? Raj. I was a little disappointed that they just didn't get married.

[legacy99]

Why should she ask them? Neither of them had a big wedding. Bernie's was the biggest but she is on bed rest.

I'm just guessing but are you suggesting penny and Bernadette aren't good enough to help amy plan a wedding

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[Chrismo]

Amy's going to wear that gown from the woman who died from carbon monoxide.

[Die Zimtzicke]

1 hour ago, legacy99 said:

I'm just guessing but are you suggesting penny and Bernadette aren't good enough to help amy plan a wedding

Not at all. I never said that. I just am not sure why anyone assumes she wants or needs someone else to help plan her wedding...aside from her future husband, since she has apparently drawn Sheldon back into the planning, especially when one of the people suggested is unavailable.

1 hour ago, Chrismo said:

Why not? Sheldon told Amy to do the planning so who's left? Raj. I was a little disappointed that they just didn't get married.

But Sheldon is now helping with the planning, so obviously he's changed his mind, or she got him to change it.

Edited December 12, 2017 by Die Zimtzicke

[Carlos]

On 12/11/2017 at 2:45 AM, vonmar said:

So neither of you cared about things like the food, the booze, the guest list, or the honeymoon destination? Wow.

Either way it's OK. A husband can involve himself as much or as little as he wants as long as it's OK with his bride. IMO, as long as the couple works out what's best for them, then that's OK.

Edited May 18, 2018 by Tripper

[legacy99]

Why should she ask them? Neither of them had a big wedding. Bernie's was the biggest but she is on bed rest.

Well Amy has never been involved in a big wedding either so i don't see why she wouldn't want help from her friends I'm also sure Bernadette and Penny probably have had more experiences with weddings than sheldon.

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[Carlos]

In regards to the episode itself, I can't say I had too much of a problem with Shamy wedding planning and the problems they encountered, except for the fact that it didn't interest me, What I found OOC and forced was the Raj/Howard split. Howard was not as bad as portrayed and Raj was never as innocent and nice as depicted in this episode. It appears to me TPTB attempted fro us to feel sorry for Raj. I, for one, didn't.

[3ku11]

I don't think Penny said anything bad to Leonard. What she said is what she would of said to anyone. She liked the show. And the banter between her and Leonard was nice and light hearted. IT seems a bit pointless to compare the Dialogue to Holcast. That was like 5 seasons ago lol. I think were giving the show too much credit here. That was a one off. 

I do recall with Bernies wedding Penny and Amy helped her out trying out wedding dresses. I had no problem with the wedding planning per say too . I just found alot of it really boring. But that was just me. 

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

In the old days when our Great-Grandparents and Great-Great Grandparents (depending on when you were born for some it be Parents or Grandparents and Great-Grandparents) got married, it was custom or expected for the Groom not do anything and take no part in Wedding Planning. The only thing the Groom was expected to do was just show up in his nicest attire and say I do. Back then the Bride Parent DID ALL the planning and Paid for all of it. The Groom parent may have had one or two requests and may have paid for a couple things but The Bride Parents usually did everything and bought most everything 

 

In the most recent weddings, I went to which was one of My Brother and One to a Male Cousin and Female Cousin. My Female Cousin did a lot of the planning but her Mother In law did help and her husband too. He was the type of Guy who would help with anything. Actually, they both were lucky because they had Family on both sides who help with anything they needed and did. 

The Male Cousin who wedding I was a Groomen at, His Wife and Mother in Law I think planned most of the wedding, The only thing He did was choose out Tux but other planning he did help when asked

My Brother Wedding was very simple and an outdoor and moderately small. My brother did take some part in it. My Mom and grandma did help my Sister In Law becue she really had no Family here. 

By the way, If I remember correctly Sheldon was willing to help and wanted to but Amy told him to forget about it and that he didn't need to help anymore in planning their wedding that the only thing he needed to do was show up in his Tux and ay I do. Every couple is different. Some Women are fine with doing all the planning. 

But the idea that Men shpould take in Wedding Planning is a fairly new thing 

Edited December 12, 2017 by MTBigBangTheoryFan

[djsurrey]

Where I am living much depends on the ethnicity of the individuals getting married and how immersed they may be in either an ethnic or religious community. There is a lot of diversity here. 30% of the population was born outside the country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrey,_British_Columbia#Demographics

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The non-minorities population is 211,445, or 53.9% of the city's population. The foreign-born population is 150,235, constituting 30.3% of the city's population. Visible minorities number 181,005, or 46.1% of the population, while Aboriginal people constitute 1.9% of the population.^[10][11] The City of Surrey estimated that 508,040 residents lived within its municipality in 2014,^[12] while the 2016 census 2016 has the population at 517,887, an increase of 10.6% from 2011.

 

[Chrismo]

2 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

 

But Sheldon is now helping with the planning, so obviously he's changed his mind, or she got him to change it.

I must of missed that discussed in the episode.

[vonmar]

5 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I must of missed that discussed in the episode.

Things happen to Shamy off camera, just like they do for everyone else.

[bfm]

1 hour ago, Carlos said:

In regards to the episode itself, I can't say I had too much of a problem with Shamy wedding planning and the problems they encountered, except for the fact that it didn't interest me, What I found OOC and forced was the Raj/Howard split. Howard was not as bad as portrayed and Raj was never as innocent and nice as depicted in this episode. It appears to me TPTB attempted fro us to feel sorry for Raj. I, for one, didn't.

I don't think they intended to make everybody side with Raj. I think their approximate here was Leonard who understood Raj's complaints but thought the "break up" was a bad decision and noticed how much Howard cares about Raj.

[3ku11]

50 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Things happen to Shamy off camera, just like they do for everyone else.

Hahaha most things happen for Shamy on screen. Everyone else off screen, especially Lenny.

[Chrismo]

15 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Hahaha most things happen for Shamy on screen. Everyone else off screen, especially Lenny.

Agree with that. Considering the amount of screen time they get. The storyline was filler anyways. What was accomplished?

[djsurrey]

2 hours ago, Chrismo said:

Agree with that. Considering the amount of screen time they get. The storyline was filler anyways. What was accomplished?

I found it amusing which is all I expect from a sitcom.

 

[joyceraye]

11 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Why should she ask them? Neither of them had a big wedding. Bernie's was the biggest but she is on bed rest.

Because Amy all but took over Bernie's  originally-planned wedding which she thought was her role and she seemed to do it well. Presumably Amy carried on with whatever her job was with the rest of the re-arranged proceedings - which we never saw - when Howard got back. While stuck in bed it would give Bernie something to do. Penny involved them both in the little that was done for her park do. It was Amy rather than Sheldon  whom Howardette asked to view Lenny's online  first wedding, which I thought was because Amy and Penny had been more involved together in theirs. On the day after Amy was engaged, Bernie and Penny were discussing things like the wedding cake. I assumed it meant they'd be involved or expected to be.

Perhaps it's because I don't know much about American weddings. I've never been to one but a close friend  (I was her bridesmaid)  has and from what I've heard and the literal bookful of photographs they gave me, I gather there are some significant differences in the traditions. We don't usually have a maid of honour,flower-girl or ring-bearer for instance, and nobody says 'I do' unless the bride's father feels like saying something instead of just standing there.

[Jonny]

1 hour ago, joyceraye said:

Because Amy all but took over Bernie's  originally-planned wedding which she thought was her role and she seemed to do it well. Presumably Amy carried on with whatever her job was with the rest of the re-arranged proceedings - which we never saw - when Howard got back. While stuck in bed it would give Bernie something to do. Penny involved them both in the little that was done for her park do. It was Amy rather than Sheldon  whom Howardette asked to view Lenny's online  first wedding, which I thought was because Amy and Penny had been more involved together in theirs. On the day after Amy was engaged, Bernie and Penny were discussing things like the wedding cake. I assumed it meant they'd be involved or expected to be.

Perhaps it's because I don't know much about American weddings. I've never been to one but a close friend  (I was her bridesmaid)  has and from what I've heard and the literal bookful of photographs they gave me, I gather there are some significant differences in the traditions. We don't usually have a maid of honour,flower-girl or ring-bearer for instance, and nobody says 'I do' unless the bride's father feels like saying something instead of just standing there.

I think she got excited, making suggestions of say wedding customs in other cultures and parts of the world and suggestions about music, themes etc based on what she would like if it was her getting married. It was done for comedy purposes and I don't think she actually had a say in their wedding at all really.

I expect the same with Shamy's wedding, for comedy purposes you might get the others involved in some way but at the most they get involved if Amy or Sheldon asks them for help.

[Die Zimtzicke]

10 hours ago, legacy99 said:

Well Amy has never been involved in a big wedding either so i don't see why she wouldn't want help from her friends I'm also sure Bernadette and Penny probably have had more experiences with weddings than sheldon.

If Amy is like most women she's thought over the years about what she would want her wedding to be like. She knows what would suit her best. And again, Bernie is on bedrest. Probably not in the mood to help plan a wedding.

9 hours ago, Chrismo said:

I must of missed that discussed in the episode.

Yes, it had to have happened off screen, but since he was helping divvy up things that needed to be done, it must have happened. We never see everything on screen.

Edited December 12, 2017 by Die Zimtzicke

[bfm]

41 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

If Amy is like most women she's thought over the years about what she would want her wedding to be like. She knows what would suit her best. And again, Bernie is on bedrest. Probably not in the mood to help plan a wedding.

Yes, it had to have happened off screen, but since he was helping divvy up things that needed to be done, it must have happened. We never see everything on screen.

How do you know most women think of that? I think that's just a stereotype. 

[Chrismo]

48 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

 

Yes, it had to have happened off screen, but since he was helping divvy up things that needed to be done, it must have happened. We never see everything on screen.

The reason it happened is the writers have run out of things to write about. I don't think the writers care if one episode conflicts with another. I remember all the hoopla with Bernadette's 12 month pregnancy. I see this as the same thing.

6 hours ago, djsurrey said:

I found it amusing which is all I expect from a sitcom.

 

I found it more stupid than amusing and lacking any real creativity.

[joyceraye]

I've never heard of a time when the grooms did little or nothing.  They might, just as Sheldon did after all his traumas, have felt like it.   The first wedding I attended in which I knew what was going on was in 1959. I read up about it in old books published from late Victorian times to the 1920s. Publishers of etiquette books used to make a fortune from bridegrooms. Traditionally the groom  makes sure his best man knows the names of the bridesmaids and chief bridesmaid so he can toast them.  He makes sure the best man has got the ring. He chooses the best man. The groom books  the cars  or other transport and organises the honeymoon, the destination of which is traditionally kept secret. He supplies the bride's parents with details of the friends and relations on his side who are to be invited. He arranges the suits for the best man and any supporters or groomsmen. He pays the marriage licence or certificate fee and also the choir and organist if it's in church. He orders the buttonholes. He buys presents for the bridesmaids. All this was still pretty much the case when I was last a bridesmaid in the early 1980s. I don't know if this fits with the idea of how great-grandparents and grandparents did things. That couple have just had their first grandchild. 

There's no rule that says any of the above have to be complied with. There has always needed to be some co-operation between the two sides with regard to guests, hymns,choice of best man, catering etc. The last few weddings I've attended have been of couples from 'ethic minorities' and they've all had at least two weddings. 

[legacy99]

I've never heard of a time when the grooms did little or nothing.  They might, just as Sheldon did after all his traumas, have felt like it.  [emoji4] The first wedding I attended in which I knew what was going on was in 1959. I read up about it in old books published from late Victorian times to the 1920s. Publishers of etiquette books used to make a fortune from bridegrooms. Traditionally the groom  makes sure his best man knows the names of the bridesmaids and chief bridesmaid so he can toast them.  [emoji4] He makes sure the best man has got the ring. He chooses the best man. The groom books  the cars  or other transport and organises the honeymoon, the destination of which is traditionally kept secret. He supplies the bride's parents with details of the friends and relations on his side who are to be invited. He arranges the suits for the best man and any supporters or groomsmen. He pays the marriage licence or certificate fee and also the choir and organist if it's in church. He orders the buttonholes. He buys presents for the bridesmaids. All this was still pretty much the case when I was last a bridesmaid in the early 1980s. I don't know if this fits with the idea of how great-grandparents and grandparents did things. That couple have just had their first grandchild. 
There's no rule that says any of the above have to be complied with. There has always needed to be some co-operation between the two sides with regard to guests, hymns,choice of best man, catering etc. The last few weddings I've attended have been of couples from 'ethic minorities' and they've all had at least two weddings. 

If I would have had to go through all that I never would have gotten married even once

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[spidergirl]

25 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

I've never heard of a time when the grooms did little or nothing.  They might, just as Sheldon did after all his traumas, have felt like it.   The first wedding I attended in which I knew what was going on was in 1959. I read up about it in old books published from late Victorian times to the 1920s. Publishers of etiquette books used to make a fortune from bridegrooms. Traditionally the groom  makes sure his best man knows the names of the bridesmaids and chief bridesmaid so he can toast them.  He makes sure the best man has got the ring. He chooses the best man. The groom books  the cars  or other transport and organises the honeymoon, the destination of which is traditionally kept secret. He supplies the bride's parents with details of the friends and relations on his side who are to be invited. He arranges the suits for the best man and any supporters or groomsmen. He pays the marriage licence or certificate fee and also the choir and organist if it's in church. He orders the buttonholes. He buys presents for the bridesmaids. All this was still pretty much the case when I was last a bridesmaid in the early 1980s. I don't know if this fits with the idea of how great-grandparents and grandparents did things. That couple have just had their first grandchild. 

There's no rule that says any of the above have to be complied with. There has always needed to be some co-operation between the two sides with regard to guests, hymns,choice of best man, catering etc. The last few weddings I've attended have been of couples from 'ethic minorities' and they've all had at least two weddings. 

Interisting post. I enjoyed getting to know all that info. However I am glad things are simpler nowdays. Well at least if I got married, everything would be simple and minimal

Edited December 12, 2017 by spidergirl