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32 minutes ago, bfm said:

I know it is a joke, I just think it is over the line...

Was it a joke or was it a subtle hint to link the previous episode with the next.  The meaning being that Penny’s  problem with kids is not she doesn’t want them but she is afraid to have them because she is convinced she will be a horrible mom.

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Just now, Chrismo said:

I took it as a joke too. This episode itself was showing Penny changing her mind. I don’t buy that she’s okay with Leonard donating his sperm. She didn’t answer his question about that. To me it didn’t cement no kids. If it was cemented, like in the 3rd episode, there would be no point for this storyline. JMO but Zack and Marissa’s next appearance(s) will be the key to what happens in this storyline.

Well I hope you’re right! :) 

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16 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I took it as a joke too. This episode itself was showing Penny changing her mind. I don’t buy that she’s okay with Leonard donating his sperm. She didn’t answer his question about that. To me it didn’t cement no kids. If it was cemented, like in the 3rd episode, there would be no point for this storyline. JMO but Zack and Marissa’s next appearance(s) will be the key to what happens in this storyline.

I agree that their next appearance could be quite telling indeed!

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2 minutes ago, SRAM said:

Was it a joke or was it a subtle hint to link the previous episode with the next.  The meaning being that Penny’s  problem with kids is not she doesn’t want them but she is afraid to have them because she is convinced she will be a horrible mom.

Both 

1 minute ago, smartandbeautiful said:

Well I hope you’re right! :) 

I look at this way. Penny said that earlier in the season she didn’t want kids. Can it get worse?

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1 minute ago, Chrismo said:

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We shall see!   😏

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5 minutes ago, SRAM said:

Was it a joke or was it a subtle hint to link the previous episode with the next.  The meaning being that Penny’s  problem with kids is not she doesn’t want them but she is afraid to have them because she is convinced she will be a horrible mom.

As I said, this is an option (just like it is an option that her letting Leonard donate as opposed to not letting Bernadette hire someone else means she really doesn't want kids), but this joke about manipulating someone to get pregnant is way over the line IMO and should be edited out.

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3 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

 

I look at this way. Penny said that earlier in the season she didn’t want kids. Can it get worse?

Knowing these writers, I'd say YES, IT CAN 😂

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5 minutes ago, chucky said:

I agree that their next appearance could be quite telling indeed!

My logic, usually wrong, is that it appears Marissa wants kids and she may be more relatable to Penny than Bernadette. I would be interested in her story

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14 hours ago, margarete said:

@Tensor, seems only scenes in Bernadettes office and one scene on the stairs were pretaped. Was the Bernadettes office set there at all? My last two visits it was at the right side.

My favorite stage is stairway btw.  Strange they did not record stairs scene live because both girls were there

I'm sorry, the stairs scene was shot there.  I erroneously put pre taped on it.  I've made the changes.  

I have some plans for the day (going to see The Queen Mary, and then meet up with Legacy ).  I have some other stuff I'll put up then.  

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13 minutes ago, bfm said:

As I said, this is an option (just like it is an option that her letting Leonard donate as opposed to not letting Bernadette hire someone else means she really doesn't want kids), but this joke about manipulating someone to get pregnant is way over the line IMO and should be edited out.

It's not over the line. Bernadette says it to herself, patting herself on the back for changing Penny's mind about the job. That's like my mother telling me I'd argue with Jesus whenever I'd argue a point about something when I was a kid. She didn't say that that's her goal now, to change Penny's mind.

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17 minutes ago, BigBang15 said:

It's not over the line. Bernadette says it to herself, patting herself on the back for changing Penny's mind about the job. That's like my mother telling me I'd argue with Jesus whenever I'd argue a point about something when I was a kid. She didn't say that that's her goal now, to change Penny's mind.

I understand its meaning, but it is my opinion that it is over the line.

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30 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

My logic, usually wrong, is that it appears Marissa wants kids and she may be more relatable to Penny than Bernadette. I would be interested in her story

me as well!

27 minutes ago, Tensor said:

I'm sorry, the stairs scene was shot their.  I erroneously put pre taped on it.  I've made the changes.  

I have some plans for the day (going to see The Queen Mary, and then meet up with Legacy ).  I have some other stuff I'll put up then.  

Can't wait!

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I don’t think it’s been mentioned on the episode or on this thread but it seems to me Zack and or Marissa really want a kid. It would be ironic if it was Zack because that means she is willing to get pregnant just for him. 

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31 minutes ago, bfm said:

I understand its meaning, but it is my opinion that it is over the line.

Seriously curious, exactly what line is it over?

What do you think she means by that, that makes it over the line?

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16 minutes ago, BigBang15 said:

Seriously curious, exactly what line is it over?

What do you think she means by that, that makes it over the line?

Ironically the line is actually not true. Bernadette has already tried to talk her into getting pregnant.

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2 hours ago, bfm said:

@Tensor your phenomenal memory never ceases to amaze me. Thank you so so much!!!

 

The episode sounds nice and funny

But is it true that only three people can be nominated for a Nobel?

And the stairs scenes has me very confused. One possible interpretation is the writers are revealing their cards, hinting Penny is nervous about having kids but it's not that she doesn't want them, and will confess when another woman is about to be having Leonard's biological child. On the other hand... when another woman having Leonard's biological child became a possibility she ended up allowing this to happen if Leonard wanted that, and repeated the decision she had made not to have children, so...maybe this is different and she really doesn't want to have kids? 

I also did not like at all the joke about manipulating Penny to get pregnant. It is wayyyyyy over the line IMO, even somewhat sinister. And now if they do the same trick to have Penny decide to have children there may be this "bitter taste" to it - did she really want it or was she manipulated into wanting it? Not a good look. I hope they edit this line out.

Not nominated but it's true that only three  individuals for each prize ( chemistry, literature, physics, and physiology or medicine) can recieve a Nobel Prize.

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16 minutes ago, Swedish Chef said:

Not nominated but it's true that only three  individuals for each prize ( chemistry, literature, physics, and physiology or medicine) can recieve a Nobel Prize.

Well JMO its going to come down to what's more important the Nobel Prize or Amy?

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48 minutes ago, BigBang15 said:

Seriously curious, exactly what line is it over?

What do you think she means by that, that makes it over the line?

It's a joke about making someone get pregnant supposedly through lying/manipulation. This is not "I could get her to dye her hair pink"... It is not something to joke about, IMO.

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23 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Well JMO its going to come down to what's more important the Nobel Prize or Amy?

....of course, Sheldon will at last make a selfless choice and the world will say "what a wonderful person".  And of course, the CalTech version of the nomination will be accepted and Sheldon and Amy will be awarded for their work.....(or as Penny said "What? Is this my first day?") 

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adding more sarcasm...
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48 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

....of course, Sheldon will at last make a selfless choice and the world will say "what a wonderful person".  And of course, the CalTech version of the nomination will be accepted and Sheldon and Amy will be awarded for their work.....(or as Penny said "What? Is this my first day?") 

I think the "truly astonishing" thing Prady referred to was Sheldon/Shamy winning/being nominated for a Nobel. I can't see them missing the chance to make YS the story of the childhood of a Nobel laureate.

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10 hours ago, Tensor said:

Scene 11 Sheldon barges into Siebert's office, telling him what the other scientists are doing, and objecting to them trying to get rid of Amy.  Siebert says he agrees and Caltech will fight to get Amy on the Nobel committee.  Sheldon stops short, says he was expecting more pushback.  Siebert says his job is to take care of Sheldon's academic and personal needs.  "Huh," says Sheldon.  What do I do with all this nervous energy.   Siebert says they have a brand new weight center, go there to work it off.    Sheldon asks, where is it?   Siebert says it's in the new gymnasium center.  Sheldon goes, Where's that?"  Siebert gets up to take him to the 

Scene 12 . Penny is walking up the stairs and she finds Bernadette sitting on the step on the second floor.  Penny asks if she's been there long, and Bernadette says, "Long enough for two of your neighbors to ask if I was lost  and needed my mommy."   Penny says she isn't going to do the job.   Bernadette says no problem, she found another salesperson  (I don't remember the name, lets call her Peggy) to do the job.  Penny is upset, because that woman has been stealing her yogurt.  Bernadette says she had to pick her, since Penny didn't want to do the job and besides Peggy is smart because she has a masters. Penny says that she is smarter than Peggy, because she can read Penny on the yogurt.   Bernadette says she needed someone who could handle the job, be tough and she didn't want to press Penny, since she didn't want to do it.  Penny says it's not that she doesn't want to do it, she's just nervous about doing it....Hey, wait a minute, I know what you're doing.  Bernadette goes "Is it working?"  Penny goes "Yessssss" and then turned to go up the steps.  Bernadette says " does this mean I'll see you Monday?"  penny says "Yesssssss" as she turns the corner of the staircase.   Bernadette snickers, and says, "I could get her pregnant if I wanted to."  

 

Tag Scene Pre taped . Penny has just completed her presentation to the salespeople working for her.  As she passed out the folders with all the information in them.  She says they have to learn all the information by tomorrow, and one salesman, Peggy, says no one can learn all of the info overnight, besides, do you know everything that's in there?  Penny give her a withering look and says, "Do you want to go head to head on this, the winner get the yogurt in the fridge."  The other woman looks away, with Bernadette smiling.  Then Penny says go ahead and go, learn it.  They are still milling around and Penny yells, "I said go learn this, now and everyone be back her in the morning."  The other salesmen run off and Bernadette walks up to congratulate Penny and ask, "do you really know all the data in the packet?"  Penny start talking to Bernadette in the same tone of voice she yelled at the other salesman.  Bernadette says, stop, that tone doesn't work on me."  Penny goes, "yeah, I know, sorry."  

 

Ok, that's it for the taping.  I may wait until tomorrow to give you the rest of the BTS info, I'm tired.  

Great job Tensor and most appreciated

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3 hours ago, Chrismo said:

I took it as a joke too. This episode itself was showing Penny changing her mind. I don’t buy that she’s okay with Leonard donating his sperm. She didn’t answer his question about that. To me it didn’t cement no kids. If it was cemented, like in the 3rd episode, there would be no point for this storyline. JMO but Zack and Marissa’s next appearance(s) will be the key to what happens in this storyline.

It seems like the issue is still unresolved.  I kind of think that Leonard will say yes to Penny and she will sulk about it.  But when he returns he says he could not go through with it and maybe then they have a good heart - to - heart talk about having children and Penny will reveal her fears and anxieties about having children.

4 hours ago, Chrismo said:

It seems to me Leonard saying are you okay with this suggests he is going to say yes to Zack and Marissa. It doesn’t appear at this point Penny’s changed her mind about kids. Lenny are in no position to have input in each other positions. As to Bernadette’s line I could get her pregnant to me that meant Penny really doesn’t know exactly what she wants. Bernadette knew she had doubts  about leading the team, it didn’t mean she wasn’t capable of doing it. Bernadette’s pregnancy line suggests Penny’s no kids line isn’t final

I just don't get that line from Penny about her making the decision on no kids so she shouldn't have any input into Leonard's decision to donate his sperm. To me marriage is a partnership and these kind of decisions should be made together. Are any of these writers married and talk to their wives because it certainly does not seem so in their writing.?

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