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2 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Remember when Bridget Loves Bernie got cancelled? Very high ratings but lots of objections to an interfaith marriage. It was was based loosely on the premise of the 1920s Broadway play and 1940s radio show called Abie's Irish Rose and the two leads actually got married. It was the highest-rated television program to be canceled after only one season.

Yikes!  I have not thought about that show forever.  David Birney and Meredith Baxter (Birney).   They had a messy divorce years after the series ended....

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2 hours ago, mirs1 said:

I think there were many young adults (18-34 demo) watching the show when it started, but, if they have stuck with it, they have since then grown and "changed" demo segment (24-54 or more...) Very young people nowadays very seldom watch broadcast TV, they prefer to watch their favourite shows on other media which are not detected with the present ratings system, that's one of the reasons why that particular demo is the most valuable for advertisers.

Then I’m guessing the United States has different preferences when it comes to teens. I’m assuming most of this is due to te popularity Netflix shows have gained, but for what I know most sitcom viewers in Spain are mostly people my age (17 year olds). Shows like Mom, Modern family and two and a half men are widely acclaimed between teens.

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Aren't we all twelve years older than we were when TBBT started ? Or is it just me ?

ETA Thank you to bfm for pointing out the difference between one and twelve is eleven.,LOL.

Note to self : do maths after breakfast, not before.

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50 minutes ago, thebigbangtheorist said:

Then I’m guessing the United States has different preferences when it comes to teens. I’m assuming most of this is due to te popularity Netflix shows have gained, but for what I know most sitcom viewers in Spain are mostly people my age (17 year olds). Shows like Mom, Modern family and two and a half men are widely acclaimed between teens.

Do you watch them on broadcast TV or on various steaming sites? If I tried to watch those shows weekly on broadcast TV in my Country, I would be facing a delay of more than one year with respect to USA schedule, most likely they would air at ungodly hours or in the early afternoon, and the schedule itself would be very erratic. So I just watch them at my convenience on Netflix or on some other streaming sites. Those ratings are not detected in any way. 

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4 hours ago, BigBang15 said:

The "older crowd" is spending less money (on advertised products) than the younger demo.

Actually that's not true.     It really has nothing to do with who is spending what.  It has to do with who is watching.   Those over 50 have much more disposable income than those 18-49.     Older groups watch more television.  If they miss an ad on one channel, they may very well see it on another, so why pay more for a show older people watch a lot.   The reason the 18-49 group has, historically, be so prized by advertisers, is because they are harder to reach with ads than those 50 and over.  

A good example involves TBBT.   Both TBBT and NCIS have around 12 million viewers.   The reason TBBT pulls in more per ad spot than NCIS ($285,000 vs $137,000) is that last year, the 18-49 demo for TBBT was 2.7, while the demo for NCIS was 1.4.    That translates to around 3 million 18-49 viewers for TBBT, and only 1.5 million 18-49 viewers for NCIS.

Advertisers  will pay more for shows that have a higher 18-49 demo, simply because that group is harder to reach than the over 50 group.  In recent years,  the 18-34 demo has been even harder to reach, as they watch the least television (and those that do, are more likely to be cord cutting).  Shows that pull in more 18-34 viewers will get more for their ad spots, even if the 18-49 are equal.

Again, TBBT is a good example.  TBBT and This is Us have a 2.7 demo for the 18-49, While TBBT pulls in 12 million viewers, and This is Us pulls in only 10.5.  So why does This is Us get over $400,000 for an ad spot?   The answer is in the 18-34 ratings for each of the show's second episode.  TBBT had a 1.0 rating for the 18-34 demo, while This is Us had a 1.6 rating in the 18-34 demo, over a half a point higher.  

 

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4 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Remember when Bridget Loves Bernie got cancelled? Very high ratings but lots of objections to an interfaith marriage. It was was based loosely on the premise of the 1920s Broadway play and 1940s radio show called Abie's Irish Rose and the two leads actually got married. It was the highest-rated television program to be canceled after only one season.

Sometimes I think there other reasons for the cancellation of a highly rated TV Show (Especially that on for only 1 season but that is rare!) that they don't tell us about. Sometimes it just the Network doesn't like the show. 

In 1994-1995, there was a show that came on after Friends (actually I think it came on after Mad About You) but the same night), that premiered the same year and finish  in the top 10 but was cancelled after only 1 Season. That goes to show sometimes a time slot on a good night is the only thing that helping a show stay afloat. It must have been pretty bad for NBC to pill the plug 

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26 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Actually that's not true.     It really has nothing to do with who is spending what.  It has to do with who is watching.   Those over 50 have much more disposable income than those 18-49.     Older groups watch more television.  If they miss an ad on one channel, they may very well see it on another, so why pay more for a show older people watch a lot.   The reason the 18-49 group has, historically, be so prized by advertisers, is because they are harder to reach with ads than those 50 and over.  

A good example involves TBBT.   Both TBBT and NCIS have around 12 million viewers.   The reason TBBT pulls in more per ad spot than NCIS ($285,000 vs $137,000) is that last year, the 18-49 demo for TBBT was 2.7, while the demo for NCIS was 1.4.    That translates to around 3 million 18-49 viewers for TBBT, and only 1.5 million 18-49 viewers for NCIS.

Advertisers  will pay more for shows that have a higher 18-49 demo, simply because that group is harder to reach than the over 50 group.  In recent years,  the 18-34 demo has been even harder to reach, as they watch the least television (and those that do, are more likely to be cord cutting).  Shows that pull in more 18-34 viewers will get more for their ad spots, even if the 18-49 are equal.

Again, TBBT is a good example.  TBBT and This is Us have a 2.7 demo for the 18-49, While TBBT pulls in 12 million viewers, and This is Us pulls in only 10.5.  So why does This is Us get over $400,000 for an ad spot?   The answer is in the 18-34 ratings for each of the show's second episode.  TBBT had a 1.0 rating for the 18-34 demo, while This is Us had a 1.6 rating in the 18-34 demo, over a half a point higher.  

 

If I am not mistaken, CBS is the most popular network among older viewers (over 50) and the American middle/working class Viewersv. That is their base audience and who they appeal to the most.  In the 1990s they got a reputation for for being the "old People" Network. 

 

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1 hour ago, mirs1 said:

Do you watch them on broadcast TV or on various steaming sites? If I tried to watch those shows weekly on broadcast TV in my Country, I would be facing a delay of more than one year with respect to USA schedule, most likely they would air at ungodly hours or in the early afternoon, and the schedule itself would be very erratic. So I just watch them at my convenience on Netflix or on some other streaming sites. Those ratings are not detected in any way. 

I watch it on TV! We have two channels that show episodes, TNT and Neox. So far TNT is releasing episodes one day after they come out with subtitles, I’m getting episode 3 tomorrow and not today with subtitles. Then Neox airs them one week after they’ve aired the US in Spanish 

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13 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

If I am not mistaken, CBS is the most popular network among older viewers (over 50) and the American middle/working class Viewersv. That is their base audience and who they appeal to the most.  In the 1990s they got a reputation for for being the "old People" Network. 

That may be, but there was a similar situation in the late 60s early 70s, where CBS's base was older skewing and/or made up of  Rural programing.  CBS intituted what became known as  the "Rural Purge" in the early 70s.   Below is a list of show CBS got rid of in 1970-71.  All of them were either rural and/or older skewing shows, although many were in the top 30 and some even the top 15 in ratings.   CBS brought in the likes of Mary Tyler Moore, All in the Family, Newhart, MASH, Carol Burnett , Flip Wilson, and several other more urban, and edgy shows, some of them spin offs of the above shows..  

 

The Original Amateur Hour (CBS, 1959–1970)  Older skewing

Petticoat Junction (CBS, 1963–1970)

The Red Skelton Show (CBS, 1953–1970;)  Older skewing

The Jackie Gleason Show (CBS, 1952–1970)    Older skewing

Green Acres (CBS, 1965-1971)

The Beverly Hillbillies (CBS, 1962–1971)

Mayberry R.F.D. (CBS, 1968–1971)

Hee-Haw (CBS, 1969–1971,)

Lassie (CBS, 1954–1971)       Older skewing

Family Affair (CBS, 1966–1971)     Older skewing

Hogan's Heroes (CBS, 1965–1971)  Older skewing

The Jim Nabors Hour (CBS, 1969–1971)

The Governor & J.J. (CBS, two seasons)    Older skewing

The New Andy Griffith Show (CBS, 1970–1971)

The Ed Sullivan Show (CBS, 1948-1971)     Older skewing.

 

 

 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, veejay said:

Nope, but..

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I don't know, I feel a lot older now than then. I understand Kaley's remarks about wanting that elevator fixed. I really feel the difference in these 12 years. 51 to 63 is a heck of a jump!

6 minutes ago, Tensor said:

That may be, but there was a similar situation in the late 60s early 70s, where CBS's base was older skewing and/or made up of  Rural programing.  CBS intituted what became known as  the "Rural Purge" in the early 70s.   Below is a list of show CBS got rid of in 1970-71.  All of them were either rural and/or older skewing shows, although many were in the top 30 and some even the top 15 in ratings.   CBS brought in the likes of Mary Tyler Moore, All in the Family, Newhart, MASH, Carol Burnett , Flip Wilson, and several other more urban, and edgy shows, some of them spin offs of the above shows..  

 

The Original Amateur Hour (CBS, 1959–1970)  Older skewing

Petticoat Junction (CBS, 1963–1970)

The Red Skelton Show (CBS, 1953–1970;)  Older skewing

The Jackie Gleason Show (CBS, 1952–1970)    Older skewing

Green Acres (CBS, 1965-1971)

The Beverly Hillbillies (CBS, 1962–1971)

Mayberry R.F.D. (CBS, 1968–1971)

Hee-Haw (CBS, 1969–1971,)

Lassie (CBS, 1954–1971)       Older skewing

Family Affair (CBS, 1966–1971)     Older skewing

Hogan's Heroes (CBS, 1965–1971)  Older skewing

The Jim Nabors Hour (CBS, 1969–1971)

The Governor & J.J. (CBS, two seasons)    Older skewing

The New Andy Griffith Show (CBS, 1970–1971)

The Ed Sullivan Show (CBS, 1948-1971)     Older skewing.

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks, I never realized that!

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14 minutes ago, Tensor said:

That may be, but there was a similar situation in the late 60s early 70s, where CBS's base was older skewing and/or made up of  Rural programing.  CBS intituted what became known as  the "Rural Purge" in the early 70s.   Below is a list of show CBS got rid of in 1970-71.  All of them were either rural and/or older skewing shows, although many were in the top 30 and some even the top 15 in ratings.   CBS brought in the likes of Mary Tyler Moore, All in the Family, Newhart, MASH, Carol Burnett , Flip Wilson, and several other more urban, and edgy shows, some of them spin offs of the above shows..  

 

The Original Amateur Hour (CBS, 1959–1970)  Older skewing

Petticoat Junction (CBS, 1963–1970)

The Red Skelton Show (CBS, 1953–1970;)  Older skewing

The Jackie Gleason Show (CBS, 1952–1970)    Older skewing

Green Acres (CBS, 1965-1971)

The Beverly Hillbillies (CBS, 1962–1971)

Mayberry R.F.D. (CBS, 1968–1971)

Hee-Haw (CBS, 1969–1971,)

Lassie (CBS, 1954–1971)       Older skewing

Family Affair (CBS, 1966–1971)     Older skewing

Hogan's Heroes (CBS, 1965–1971)  Older skewing

The Jim Nabors Hour (CBS, 1969–1971)

The Governor & J.J. (CBS, two seasons)    Older skewing

The New Andy Griffith Show (CBS, 1970–1971)

The Ed Sullivan Show (CBS, 1948-1971)     Older skewing.

 

 

 

 

 

I have great memories for most of these.....(born in 1957...)  "From the sun, fun capital of the world: Miami Beach, it's The Jackie Gleason Show!"

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52 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Sometimes I think there other reasons for the cancellation of a highly rated TV Show (Especially that on for only 1 season but that is rare!) that they don't tell us about. Sometimes it just the Network doesn't like the show. 

In 1994-1995, there was a show that came on after Friends (actually I think it came on after Mad About You) but the same night), that premiered the same year and finish  in the top 10 but was cancelled after only 1 Season. That goes to show sometimes a time slot on a good night is the only thing that helping a show stay afloat. It must have been pretty bad for NBC to pill the plug 

The show I think you're thinking about was called "Hope and Gloria".  It was a summer replacement in the 1994-95 season (13 episodes) and got 22 episodes in the 1995-96 season, although it moved to Saturday night, where it's ratings dropped and was cancelled.    There were two shows in the 1995-96 season there were broadcast between Friends (at #3) and Seindfeld (at #2) .   Both the shows , The Single Guy ( at #6) and Boston Common (at #8)  were moved out of that slot the next year, and both their ratings collapsed and they were cancelled at the end of the 1996-97 season.  

Interesting thing, why Thursday's on NBC was called must see TV in the late 90s.   At 8, was Friends at #3;  At 8:30,  was The Single Guy at #6; at 9 was Seinfeld at #2; at 9:30, was Caroline in the City at #4; and at 10, was ER at #1.   NBC had five of the top Six programs for the year on the same night.  At #5 was Monday Night Football on ABC.   

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4 minutes ago, Tensor said:

The show I think you're thinking about was called "Hope and Gloria".  It was a summer replacement in the 1994-95 season (13 episodes) and got 22 episodes in the 1995-96 season, although it moved to Saturday night, where it's ratings dropped and was cancelled.    There were two shows in the 1995-96 season there were broadcast between Friends (at #3) and Seindfeld (at #2) .   Both the shows , The Single Guy ( at #6) and Boston Common (at #8)  were moved out of that slot the next year, and both their ratings collapsed and they were cancelled at the end of the 1996-97 season.  

Interesting thing, why Thursday's on NBC was called must see TV in the late 90s.   At 8, was Friends at #3;  At 8:30,  was The Single Guy at #6; at 9 was Seinfeld at #2; at 9:30, was Caroline in the City at #4; and at 10, was ER at #1.   NBC had five of the top Six programs for the year on the same night.  At #5 was Monday Night Football on ABC.   

No that not the show I talking about. Hope & Gloria was never on Thursday 

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1 hour ago, joyceraye said:

Aren't we all twelve years older than we were when TBBT started ? Or is it just me ?

Eleven years (end of 2007 to end of 2018). That's not true for me actually, I joined in VERY late, early 2016 I think, catching up in a few months. I was (one month short of) 15 when it actually started and was mostly watching Friends and Argentinian teen shows. 

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11 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

No that not the show I talking about. Hope & Gloria was never on Thursday 

Yes it was, it's first thirteen episodes were on at Thursday at 8:30 PM, it's second season it was on Saturday night at 9  It was the only night it was on after Mad About You(and it was also on after Friends for a few months).   It was also the only season both Mad About You and Friends were on.  The next season,  the other two I mentioned were on between Friends and Seinfeld.  

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1 minute ago, Tensor said:

Yes it was, it's first thirteen episodes were on at Thursday at 8:30 PM, it's second season it was on Saturday night at 9  It was the only night it was on after Mad About You(and it was also on after Friends for a few months).   It was also the only season both Mad About You and Friends were on.  The next season,  the other two I mentioned were on between Friends and Seinfeld.  

The Show I talking about was called "Madame of The People" 

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TBBT is shown in England (don't know about the rest of the UK)  in pairs of episodes at different times of day. Products advertised vary. We get ads for baby food, funeral plans, stair lifts, walk-in baths, absorbent underwear, careers the government would like young people to take up, toys and medicines  for toddlers, sex toys,contraceptives, toilet rolls, tampons and fast cars.They obviously think different demographics view the episodes at certain times. The late night versions of the show are unbowdlerised.

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Here the setellite companies airs the new episodes, on a channel with no commercials (profits are from people joining the company's service amd paying for the channel). I think they start airing the season some weeks after in starts and then with the gaps in the USA airing schedule it eventually becomes a one week delay. 

The cable company has seasons 1-8 on its VOD (video on demand) service. There are other smaller services, I think some of them may have episodes but maybe not the new one, unless they made some deal with the settelite company (which I doubt, this company has been using TBBT to draw people for years, although not so much now that streaming became so popular and TBBT has "aged").

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33 minutes ago, Tensor said:

I can't find that anywhere in my sources.  You're saying this was on in 1994-95, on NBC?

Madman of the people. It was on between Seinfeld and ER

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2 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Madman of the people 

Ahhhh, OK, that was on at 9:30 between Seinfeld and ER.   It was between the number one and number two shows for the season, but it lost about a third of it's audience from Seinfeld.   

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