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3 minutes ago, chucky said:

Hopefully some nice "Lenny" time and not too much angst over having children.

She says in that caption that its IF something she wants or is ready for.  I think she just throws this out to Leonard as a point of discussion. I don't think despite all the speculation these past two weeks, that she ever says she definitely does not want children.  What I am interested to see is if there is a resolution to this topic or will they just leave it hanging like so many other plotlines.  My guess is it will be revisited later on in the season.

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27 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

She says in that caption that its IF something she wants or is ready for.  I think she just throws this out to Leonard as a point of discussion. I don't think despite all the speculation these past two weeks, that she ever says she definitely does not want children.  What I am interested to see is if there is a resolution to this topic or will they just leave it hanging like so many other plotlines.  My guess is it will be revisited later on in the season.

We know, thanks to the very generous person who gave us the details (sorry, forgot the username), that she doesn't say she definitely doesn't want kids but that she might not want them. If it were sealed in one episode I would be even more upset with them, it would be ridiculous. But, having been burned too much before and reading Holland say he agrees with Kaley on not wanting Lenny to have kids, I do my best to not let myself have hopes. I don't want to be burned again. 

I think they may also use this episode to "test the waters", see what kind of reaction they get. The problem is, they may be reading mostly reviews in media outlets' sight. From what I've seen, these reviewers are often not too invested in the characters and their history. They sometimes just focus on the episode itself without considering thr context too much and sometimes also blow things out of proportion. Also, they may assign more importance to the social relevance of the story (as this may bring more readers and appear to be more serious) than the way it fits (or doesn't fit) the characters and what has been shown before. There's Radloff who's a big fan but she's so much into Shamy* and seems to be not fond of Leonard at all, and she also writes for a women's site so I think she'd just praise them for having Penny make such a decision. So while some of us fans may not like this idea, TPTB may think it is being well recieved.

 

*I'm NOT saying all Shamy fans don't care about Lenny or want them to not have kids. I think in Radloff's case she doesn't care much and doesn't pay much attention to Lenny. All speculation though.

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24 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

My guess is it will be revisited later on in the season.

I agree, probably revisited several times.

2 minutes ago, bfm said:

We know, thanks to the very generous person who gave us the details (sorry, forgot the username), that she doesn't say she definitely doesn't want kids but that she might not want them. If it were sealed in one episode I would be even more upset with them, it would be ridiculous. But, having been burned too much before and reading Holland say he agrees with Kaley on not wanting Lenny to have kids, I do my best to not let myself have hopes. I don't want to be burned again. 

I think they may also use this episode to "test the waters", see what kind of reaction they get. The problem is, they may be reading mostly reviews in media outlets' sight. From what I've seen, these reviewers are often not too invested in the characters and their history. They sometimes just focus on the episode itself without considering thr context too much and sometimes also blow things out of proportion. Also, they may assign more importance to the social relevance of the story (as this may bring more readers and appear to be more serious) than the way it fits (or doesn't fit) the characters and what has been shown before. There's Radloff who's a big fan but she's so much into Shamy and seems to be not fond of Leonard at all, and she also writes for a women's site so I think she'd just praise them for having Penny make such a decision. So while some of us fans may not like this idea, TPTB may think it is being well recieved.

Totally agree. I'm betting Holland will only acknowledge responses that agree with his opinion and forget the remaining responses.

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4 hours ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Sometimes I think there other reasons for the cancellation of a highly rated TV Show (Especially that on for only 1 season but that is rare!) that they don't tell us about. Sometimes it just the Network doesn't like the show. 

They had no reason not to like it, especially putting it where they did. Bridget Loves Bernie was a slam dunk. It came on between All in the Family and The Mary Tyler Moore  Show on Saturday nights It was #5 in the ratings among all shows for the 1972-73 television season and obtained a 24.2 rating

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50 minutes ago, bfm said:

We know, thanks to the very generous person who gave us the details (sorry, forgot the username), that she doesn't say she definitely doesn't want kids but that she might not want them. If it were sealed in one episode I would be even more upset with them, it would be ridiculous. But, having been burned too much before and reading Holland say he agrees with Kaley on not wanting Lenny to have kids, I do my best to not let myself have hopes. I don't want to be burned again. 

I think they may also use this episode to "test the waters", see what kind of reaction they get. The problem is, they may be reading mostly reviews in media outlets' sight. From what I've seen, these reviewers are often not too invested in the characters and their history. They sometimes just focus on the episode itself without considering thr context too much and sometimes also blow things out of proportion. Also, they may assign more importance to the social relevance of the story (as this may bring more readers and appear to be more serious) than the way it fits (or doesn't fit) the characters and what has been shown before. There's Radloff who's a big fan but she's so much into Shamy* and seems to be not fond of Leonard at all, and she also writes for a women's site so I think she'd just praise them for having Penny make such a decision. So while some of us fans may not like this idea, TPTB may think it is being well recieved.

 

*I'm NOT saying all Shamy fans don't care about Lenny or want them to not have kids. I think in Radloff's case she doesn't care much and doesn't pay much attention to Lenny. All speculation though.

I think you could be right about how the fans will react. If you watch the clip and listen at the big sigh the audience has when she asks Leonard how he feels  about not having kids. I think audience reaction plays a big part in their stories which is a factor in taping before a live audience.  Usually, I agree with your comments but in this instance I think Jessica Radloff is a fan of L&P and writes more stories on them than anyone else. However, I would like to read her take on tonights episode.

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45 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

I think you could be right about how the fans will react. If you watch the clip and listen at the big sigh the audience has when she asks Leonard how he feels  about not having kids. I think audience reaction plays a big part in their stories which is a factor in taping before a live audience.  Usually, I agree with your comments but in this instance I think Jessica Radloff is a fan of L&P and writes more stories on them than anyone else. However, I would like to read her take on tonights episode.

I don't pay attention to most outside babble. In the past I've read articles raving about Lenny and a month later the same columnist criticizing Lenny. It's not just Lenny or TBBT. So I tend to stay away that, as I said, babble.

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15 minutes ago, vonmar said:

It looks like they are working on a Halloween episode this week.  Kunal posted an IG story and in the background 4A is decorated with a skeleton, chains, orange and black crepe paper and warning tape.

This is really exciting news! Thanks for sharing, I have been waiting for one Hw episode so long that I had already stopped to believe in it...

Btw happy new episode day, everyone!

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1 hour ago, chucky said:

I don't remember that show.

Me neither, I was pretty young shen it was on though. I never seen an episode of it so I don’t know what it was like. But I remember hearing aboit it 

It only lasted 1 season so it not worth my time. 

 

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3 hours ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Me neither, I was pretty young shen it was on though. I never seen an episode of it so I don’t know what it was like. But I remember hearing aboit it 

It only lasted 1 season so it not worth my time. 

 

Thanks, I thought I might have missed something!

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13 hours ago, Mario D. said:

I think you could be right about how the fans will react. If you watch the clip and listen at the big sigh the audience has when she asks Leonard how he feels  about not having kids. I think audience reaction plays a big part in their stories which is a factor in taping before a live audience.  Usually, I agree with your comments but in this instance I think Jessica Radloff is a fan of L&P and writes more stories on them than anyone else. However, I would like to read her take on tonights episode.

I think she is more invested than any other reviewer, that's why I separated her from the rest. I personally just find her too critical of Leonard and less involved in the Lenny (overall) story than in other stories.

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14 hours ago, Mario D. said:

I think you could be right about how the fans will react. If you watch the clip and listen at the big sigh the audience has when she asks Leonard how he feels  about not having kids. I think audience reaction plays a big part in their stories which is a factor in taping before a live audience.  Usually, I agree with your comments but in this instance I think Jessica Radloff is a fan of L&P and writes more stories on them than anyone else. However, I would like to read her take on tonights episode.

Do we know for sure that they always keep original audience reaction?

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1 hour ago, bfm said:

I think she is more invested than any other reviewer, that's why I separated her from the rest. I personally just find her too critical of Leonard and less involved in the Lenny (overall) story than in other stories.

The Big Bang Theory Season 12, Episode 3 Recap: Penny Tells Leonard She Doesn't Want Kids

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"…Penny and Leonard have a heart-to-heart and admit that as long as they have each other, they'll be OK. However, the writers left the door open for a much larger discussion by bringing in Keith Carradine (Penny's dad) for a brief cameo to express his disappointment that he won't be a grandfather. What will be interesting to watch, should the show go that direction, is how Penny responds to outside pressure not just from her friends but her family. To that I say, continue to do what's right for you, Penny. You've more than proven that."

22 minutes ago, margarete said:

Do we know for sure that they always keep original audience reaction?

Mostly yes, but they edit them afterwards (cut/shorten, edit volume, etc).

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13 minutes ago, veejay said:

The Big Bang Theory Season 12, Episode 3 Recap: Penny Tells Leonard She Doesn't Want Kids

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"…Penny and Leonard have a heart-to-heart and admit that as long as they have each other, they'll be OK. However, the writers left the door open for a much larger discussion by bringing in Keith Carradine (Penny's dad) for a brief cameo to express his disappointment that he won't be a grandfather. What will be interesting to watch, should the show go that direction, is how Penny responds to outside pressure not just from her friends but her family. To that I say, continue to do what's right for you, Penny. You've more than proven that."

Mostly yes, but they edit them afterwards (cut/shorten, edit volume, etc).

I agree that it wasn't completely sealed but I don't think Penny will have kids just because her dad wants her to (I also don't want that).

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1 hour ago, bfm said:

I agree that it wasn't completely sealed but I don't think Penny will have kids just because her dad wants her to (I also don't want that).

I agree, there are alternatives!

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9 hours ago, bfm said:

I agree that it wasn't completely sealed but I don't think Penny will have kids just because her dad wants her to (I also don't want that).

I don't think that is a remote possibility. He could possibly influence her but she did not run off to California and live with Kurt to please her dad. I don't think she operates like that.

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I thought Penny seems pretty sure she does not want kids. She didn't seem to be swayed at all by those around her, even when Leonard was upset. I wouldn't be surprised if they had another conversation about it. But I think she knows what she wants and it is not kids. 

I think I know the answer, but has Penny herself ever brought up wanting kids to Leonard? Or has Leonard always initiated the conversation about kids. Aside from last night when she tells him she doesn't think kids are for her...

I did feel bad for Leonard when she admitted this, but I don't think it is a deal breaker for him. I also think he should not have gotten her dad involved. It is a Penny and Leonard decision. 

I loved Raj storyline as well as Howardette/Stunice. Amy was a little much for me...

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10 minutes ago, Sah said:

I thought Penny seems pretty sure she does not want kids. She didn't seem to be swayed at all by those around her, even when Leonard was upset. I wouldn't be surprised if they had another conversation about it. But I think she knows what she wants and it is not kids. 

I think I know the answer, but has Penny herself ever brought up wanting kids to Leonard? Or has Leonard always initiated the conversation about kids. Aside from last night when she tells him she doesn't think kids are for her...

I did feel bad for Leonard when she admitted this, but I don't think it is a deal breaker for him. I also think he should not have gotten her dad involved. It is a Penny and Leonard decision. 

I loved Raj storyline as well as Howardette/Stunice. Amy was a little much for me...

Two points. The more you try to convince Penny the more she goes the other way. The other point she seemed to make the decision of no kids without Leonard. This is not over yet

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