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Looks like S12 is going to be all about Lenny bashing from TPTB. Every episode has had some kind of dig at lenny and how incompartable and not on the same page. Is there no end to this madness from the writers. Maybe like a lot of ppls are suggesting including media outlet, they are heading for divorce.

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1 minute ago, Tonstar17 said:

Is there no end to this madness from the writers.

Yes, I believe it's Episode 12/24! I feel your pain.

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Just now, chucky said:

Yes, I believe it's Episode 12/24! I feel your pain.

I’m not sure this episode is necessarily Lenny bashing. I’m not sure why Leonard is shocked she doesn’t remember that night. He knew she was drunk. It would be nice though if they brought back that outfit she was wearing.

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Just now, Chrismo said:

I’m not sure this episode is necessarily Lenny bashing. I’m not sure why Leonard is shocked she doesn’t remember that night. He knew she was drunk. It would be nice though if they brought back that outfit she was wearing.

Would it fit or do they find a larger size top. I'd like to see her wear the original!

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I’m not sure this episode is necessarily Lenny bashing. I’m not sure why Leonard is shocked she doesn’t remember that night. He knew she was drunk. It would be nice though if they brought back that outfit she was wearing.
How is it not? Penny was not that drunk and went back to her party. Every episode so far is based on Lenny not on the same page. Why cant they write lenny in a positive way for once instead of all this BS.

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What the hell is going on with the writing this season?!  Why does there have to be some kind of petty bs friction between somebody in every god damn episode?
Exactly my point, not just Lenny then.

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23 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Why cant they write lenny in a positive way for once instead of all this BS.

IMHO, if they do, it will look badly on their precious shamy. That's all I can see and I don't see why that is even possible.

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It looks like from Alex's IG story that they were pre-taping outside earlier today.

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1 hour ago, Tonstar17 said:

How is it not? Penny was not that drunk and went back to her party. Every episode so far is based on Lenny not on the same page. Why cant they write lenny in a positive way for once instead of all this BS.

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Leonard  told her she was drunk. Penny acknowledged that in the episode. I’m not sure where the friction is in this. Was she any more drunk when she hooked up with Raj?

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Leonard  told her she was drunk. Penny acknowledged that in the episode. I’m not sure where the friction is in this. Was she any more drunk when she hooked up with Raj?
Been drunk to me is tipsy and gives you confidence, making you feel excited, but aware to an extend. Intoxicated is losing control of your behaviour,
and been emotional which in turn could make you lose control. Hence what lead to the raj incident.

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I guess it makes sense because she was drunk, well at least I hope that's the kiss they're refering to, it makes sense because it comes up in Halloween. But I don't understand why it is necessary. I hope there will be some kind of nice payoff, but these little payoffs really don't worth the angst anymore, as the angst is just getting worse (not exactly from time to time, this one is not that big, but in general). I really don't understand what they're trying to do with Lenny this season. 

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Kaley's latest IG story, they are all at the Wolowitz deck/backyard. All in costume.

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3 hours ago, Chrismo said:

I’m not sure this episode is necessarily Lenny bashing. I’m not sure why Leonard is shocked she doesn’t remember that night. He knew she was drunk. It would be nice though if they brought back that outfit she was wearing.

So are we going to have more Lenny bickering and arguments   Damn, I am so tired of this BS.  Just watched the redo wedding on my local station. Even my wife mentioned why were there so many interruptions and remarks at Lenny wedding and none of that was at Shamy wedding   I said now you know why all the Lenny fans are annoyed and frustrated.

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5 hours ago, smartandbeautiful said:

In her defense, she was drunk, and it was 12 years ago 😅

Presumably this is the first kiss she prob remembers

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I don't think Penny should be expected to remember a kiss when she was tipsy in 2007. 11 years ago. When she was upset over her ex. I am sure Penny has supressed the memory. As it is embarrassing for her. ITs not something she would like to relate to her and Leonards first time. I think their first date when they were both lupid. Is prob a memory more prevalent to her. And hey if the payoff is Penny has a makeout session with Leonard. Than great.

And as for TPTB making digs at Lenny. And whether or not that points to a divorce. I woulden't worry about that. I mean hell its been a long running gag since Season 3. Ever since Leonard was like "I cant beleive were going out". And Raj was like “No one can bro”. Later on in the season, in The Precious Fragmentation. Sheldon was like 'What do you two talk about after the coitus?". Of course in S7. Stuart proclaimed Lenny are the strongest couple on the show. So I just think as it is. With the writers liking to see Leonard squirm. Also Like in Friends with Ross Divorce”s, or We Were on a break! (They werent). ITs just gags. I would love them to drop it. Theyve been together for years. They deserve credit for making something riduclous work over a decade. The fact they’ve been the longest couple on this show. I think it’s past nerdy guy and girl from across the hall. 

Theirs simply no substance to a divorce angle. Next episode they are happy and equals. Nothing really changes their. The kid thing is the only real substance angle they could bring up. But that’s only if Leonard really wants kids. And I don’t think he does. Not enough to outweigh his relationship with Penny anyway. 

Another point to consider. Is future syndication. They want to make money off this series for decades to come. Only way I see a divorce is if they are jumping the shark. I just don’t think they would risk passing off a certain subset of the fan base. And risk all of that. As it is. I see no evidence of such. 

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I’m not sure where the bickering is in the episode description. I will have to see what happens to decide that. What I take from the description is that this will be the last Halloween episode ever. Obviously there is some reminiscing to season 1 since that was the only other apartment party.  I think it’s obviously going to be more memorable for Leonard than Penny.  There is no reason to doubt that Penny  doesn’t remember.

the other part of the episode is Sheldon getting even with Howard and or Leonard. I’m guessing that relates to the season 5 Halloween episode.

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3 hours ago, Chrismo said:

I’m not sure where the bickering is in the episode description. I will have to see what happens to decide that. What I take from the description is that this will be the last Halloween episode ever. Obviously there is some reminiscing to season 1 since that was the only other apartment party.  I think it’s obviously going to be more memorable for Leonard than Penny.  There is no reason to doubt that Penny  doesn’t remember.

the other part of the episode is Sheldon getting even with Howard and or Leonard. I’m guessing that relates to the season 5 Halloween episode.

Yeah I diddnt see any indicator their would be bickering.  Just wait and see how it plays out.  And I agree it seems they well be making a ton of callbacks to previous Halloween episodes. From S5 and S6. 

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28 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Yeah I diddnt see any indicator their would be bickering. I think some are jumping to conclusions. Just wait and see how it plays out.  And I agree it seems they well be making a ton of callbacks to previous Halloween episodes. From S5 and S6. 

Of course there is another scenario to the season 1 Halloween episode. She left Leonard in 4a and hooked up with Kurt in 4B.

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6 hours ago, Babar said:

SHELDON’S NOT THE ONLY SHELDON, ON “THE BIG BANG THEORY,” THURSDAY, OCT. 25

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The Imitation Perturbation” – When Wolowitz dresses up as Sheldon for Halloween, Sheldon seeks retaliation at Leonard and Penny’s Halloween party. Also, Leonard is shocked that Penny doesn’t remember their first kiss, on THE BIG BANG THEORY, Thursday, Oct. 25 (8:00-8:31 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network

Yay!!!!! The writers taking another huge enormous dump on Lenny again! Can they write any stories that:

a) Don't feature too much Sheldon, and

b) Don't shit all over Lenny?

Apparently not.

5 hours ago, Chrismo said:

Leonard  told her she was drunk. Penny acknowledged that in the episode. I’m not sure where the friction is in this. Was she any more drunk when she hooked up with Raj?

Well, but of course she was! She blacked out for fuck's sake!

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1 hour ago, Carlos said:

Yay!!!!! The writers taking another huge enormous dump on Lenny again! Can they write any stories that:

a) Don't feature too much Sheldon, and

b) Don't shit all over Lenny?

Apparently not.

Well, but of course she was! She blacked out for fuck's sake!

Leonard diddnt recipucate. I guess that’s the difference. 

1 hour ago, Chrismo said:

Of course there is another scenario to the season 1 Halloween episode. She left Leonard in 4a and hooked up with Kurt in 4B.

That’s not how it played out. We Saw Leonard telling Kurt this is how we roll in the Shire. And slammed the door lol. But hey we know this show and revisionism. Of course they got a taste of a backlash to revisional writing. With Leonard cheating storyline. So why would they bother changing history from 11 seasons ago? And their doesent seem to be any indicator. Just Penny can’t remember their first kiss. Take that firbehat you well. But it well play out differently I bet. If she has no recollection of he first kiss with Leonard from 11 years ago.

Then how the hell does she even remember anything from that episode. Hell I can’t even remember what I had for tea last night lol. Let alone ten years ago. Seems like a gag. Penny’s like ohhh that’s right. And that’s it. And I don’t see how Leonard can be upset by this. Therefore friction. Unless he’s going to get angry over the idea of Penny forgetting about something from 11 years ago when she was drunk. Would make Leonard seem kinda petty. So I’m gathering Leonard reminds her. And that’s that. 

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2 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Presumably this is the first kiss she prob remembers

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Or

240?cb=20121010013644

I don't think Penny should be expected to remember a kiss when she was tipsy in 2007. 11 years ago. When she was upset over her ex. I am sure Penny has supressed the memory. As it is embarrassing for her. ITs not something she would like to relate to her and Leonards first time. I think their first date when they were both lupid. Is prob a memory more prevalent to her. And hey if the payoff is Penny has a makeout session with Leonard. Than great.

And as for TPTB making digs at Lenny. And whether or not that points to a divorce. I woulden't worry about that. I mean hell its been a long running gag since Season 3. Ever since Leonard was like "I cant beleive were going out". And Raj was like “No one can bro”. Later on in the season, in The Precious Fragmentation. Sheldon was like 'What do you two talk about after the coitus?". Of course in S7. Stuart proclaimed Lenny are the strongest couple on the show. So I just think as it is. With the writers liking to see Leonard squirm. Also Like in Friends with Ross Divorce”s, or We Were on a break! (They werent). ITs just gags. I would love them to drop it. Theyve been together for years. They deserve credit for making something riduclous work over a decade. The fact they’ve been the longest couple on this show. I think it’s past nerdy guy and girl from across the hall. 

Theirs simply no substance to a divorce angle. Next episode they are happy and equals. Nothing really changes their. The kid thing is the only real substance angle they could bring up. But that’s only if Leonard really wants kids. And I don’t think he does. Not enough to outweigh his relationship with Penny anyway. 

Another point to consider. Is future syndication. They want to make money off this series for decades to come. Only way I see a divorce is if they are jumping the shark. I just don’t think they would risk passing off a certain subset of the fan base. And risk all of that. As it is. I see no evidence of such. 

We can only hope that the writers gets their heads out of their asses!

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4 minutes ago, chucky said:

We can only hope that the writers gets their heads out of their asses!

It’s been up their since 2012. Good luck with that one. 

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5 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

It’s been up their since 2012. Good luck with that one. 

As I said, we can only hope! I think their heads have been up their asses so long that it's starting to feel comfortable and is an enjoyment to them!

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Honestly, I wouldn’t worry too much. It’s 100% normal Penny doesn’t remember, she was drunk and upset and it was 11 years ago, can’t blame her. When I read the description at first, I thought it could be a nice was to reminisce their first Halloween together, and who knows maybe because she doesn’t remember they have another kiss in the couch as a parallel to s1, but I never read it as something negative (even if I do agree that the writers pick on Lenny a lot

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