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So ive just typed up what feels like a essay but i figure this is my last taping i go to so might as well do the spoilers right lol here you go and if its too much sorry in advance 😂😂😂 Cold open

Here you go anyone wanting spoilers 😄 The opening scene is so cute its sheldon waking Amy up in bed saying good morning wife and she says good morning husband, then he makes a comment about how i

"The Laureate Accumulation" The gang is watching Campbell/Pemberton on Ellen. Sheldon is just waiting for Ellen to ask them what exactly Super Asymmetry is so the world can see what big frauds th

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A couple hours ago Spidergirl said in a post in the Howardette thread, that Howard and Bernadette were meant to be together. I agree, also Lenny and Shamy are meant to be together as well. After a long time thinking, I have to also say that Raj and Cinnamon are meant to be together. Cinnamon helped get him thru his break ups with Emily, Claire, the cleaning lady, Lucy and is there for him in his attempts with Anu.  :hi:

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On ‎10‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 11:39 PM, Shelldon said:

Read it a little more carefully champ, I'm sure he kissed that boat girl more than just one time, a make-out session is made up of several dozen kisses

Ok, champ, but whether reading carefully or not the fact of the matter is that the only thing that's canon is one, and I repeat one drunken kiss.

On ‎10‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 11:41 PM, Chrismo said:

I think it’s being stated that on YS that Sheldon has kids. However I don’t think that guarantees Amy is going to be pregnant on TBBT.

Did they confirm on YS that these kids were with Amy?

On ‎10‎/‎17‎/‎2018 at 8:31 PM, vonmar said:

If that's what you got from the article fine.  I thought it was a nice tribute to a 89 year old actor who is probably making his last appearance on the show that finally won him a well deserved Emmy Award. 

That is the only logical conclusion. Sheldon has a problem: Professor Proton. And it is always about Sheldon nowadays. IMO it is what has ruined the show.

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14 minutes ago, Carlos said:

That is the only logical conclusion. Sheldon has a problem: Professor Proton. And it is always about Sheldon nowadays. IMO it is what has ruined the show.

Or maybe in their final season they wanted a beloved 89 year old actor on their show one more time and wrote an episode to make that happen.

Maybe it's not about the "Sheldon Show", maybe it's simply about looking backwards while looking forward.

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37 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Or maybe in their final season they wanted a beloved 89 year old actor on their show one more time and wrote an episode to make that happen.

Maybe it's not about the "Sheldon Show", maybe it's simply about looking backwards while looking forward.

Too bad they didn’t write something better for Bob.

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8 hours ago, JE7 said:

A question for @veejay and our other German members, does this

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Make up for this

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In a way. Penny and Sheldon are associated in view of the traditional Bavarian dress code (woman: Dirndl / man: Lederhose). I think that further considerations in this context are too far-fetched, or even dangerous. LOL

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2 hours ago, vonmar said:

Or maybe in their final season they wanted a beloved 89 year old actor on their show one more time and wrote an episode to make that happen.

Maybe it's not about the "Sheldon Show", maybe it's simply about looking backwards while looking forward.

Oh its All about the Sheldon Show 🤣

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5 hours ago, vonmar said:

Maybe it's not about the "Sheldon Show", maybe it's simply about looking backwards while looking forward.

Of course!

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Back to the future: Young Sheldon for the win!?

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5 hours ago, vonmar said:

Or maybe in their final season they wanted a beloved 89 year old actor on their show one more time and wrote an episode to make that happen.

Maybe it's not about the "Sheldon Show", maybe it's simply about looking backwards while looking forward.

No, definitely is the Sheldon Cooper Show. It has to be, since it's not funny anymore. A show that used to make me laugh has been reduced to giggles!

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7 hours ago, vonmar said:

Or maybe in their final season they wanted a beloved 89 year old actor on their show one more time and wrote an episode to make that happen.

Maybe it's not about the "Sheldon Show", maybe it's simply about looking backwards while looking forward.

It would be imaginative refreshing if Professor Proton and Arthur Jeffries appeared in a dream to Leonard, you know, because he was an important part of young a master Hofstadter’s life. Or in a dream of Penny’s,  because in the short time they knew each other, they shared some warm moments. She also knows how important his influence was to her husband. THAT would make it not about the Sheldon show and would give a beloved actor the exposure and ability to act with differing fellow actors.

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1 hour ago, chucky said:

No, definitely is the Sheldon Cooper Show. It has to be, since it's not funny anymore. A show that used to make me laugh has been reduced to giggles!

There have been many occasions when Sheldon has been funny over the years. 

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7 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

It would be imaginative refreshing if Professor Proton and Arthur Jeffries appeared in a dream to Leonard, you know, because he was an important part of young a master Hofstadter’s life. Or in a dream of Penny’s,  because in the short time they knew each other, they shared some warm moments. She also knows how important his influence was to her husband. THAT would make it not about the Sheldon show and would give a beloved actor the exposure and ability to act with differing fellow actors.

I would love to see it as well, but that'll never happen. Mainly because Leonard isn't as broken as Sheldon. Sheldon grew up being told by Mary and Meemaw how great he is. They did everything for him, so he grew up expecting that treatment. Leonard had a different childhood and in a way it prepared him more for the disappointments in life. Probably not in a good way. So PP probably realizes Leonard is in no need of his help. In the academia world, he's got that covered. The rest of life he has covered as well with Penny to help him through things he has questions about!

Just now, Die Zimtzicke said:

There have been many occasions when Sheldon has been funny over the years. 

More times he's been just plain obnoxious, condescending, controlling, boring and being babyish! 

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29 minutes ago, chucky said:

I would love to see it as well, but that'll never happen. Mainly because Leonard isn't as broken as Sheldon. Sheldon grew up being told by Mary and Meemaw how great he is. They did everything for him, so he grew up expecting that treatment. Leonard had a different childhood and in a way it prepared him more for the disappointments in life. Probably not in a good way. So PP probably realizes Leonard is in no need of his help. In the academia world, he's got that covered. The rest of life he has covered as well with Penny to help him through things he has questions about!

 

I’ll make the argument that Leonard is just as broken, perhaps even more so, as/than Sheldon. A domineering, insensitive, unloving mother , a largely absent father. A roommate/best friend that discounts his intelligence and career and accomplishments therein. I could go on.

Very often our dream lives can help us in our waking lives. Perhaps Professor Proton could bring guidance or solace or help in solving life’s issues for Leonard (a person who was effected greatly in his youth by PP). Perhaps Arthur Jeffries (the distinction here is on purpose) could provide advice to Penny (someone who admired him in the brief time they were acquainted AND someone her husband respects) help her see certain things in a different light.

Again, a way to make Bob Newhart’s appearances more wide-ranging.

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11 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

I’ll make the argument that Leonard is just as broken, perhaps even more so, as/than Sheldon. A domineering, insensitive, unloving mother , a largely absent father. A roommate/best friend that discounts his intelligence and career and accomplishments therein. I could go on.

Very often our dream lives can help us in our waking lives. Perhaps Professor Proton could bring guidance or solace or help in solving life’s issues for Leonard (a person who was effected greatly in his youth by PP). Perhaps Arthur Jeffries (the distinction here is on purpose) could provide advice to Penny (someone who admired him in the brief time they were acquainted AND someone her husband respects) help her see certain things in a different light.

Again, a way to make Bob Newhart’s appearances more wide-ranging.

I like this.

Yes, Leonard is just as "broken" as Sheldon is.  Leonard had a horrible childhood.

In Sheldon's case, it is how he is wired.  I'd love to see Professor Proton 'talk' to Leonard.

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The thing is, PP is in Sheldon's imagination. I guess Leonard doesn't imagine him when he has problems. What does he do? I don't know. We weren't shown that much. I wish we did. Like, maybe the kids thing wasn't the only thing he turned to Wyatt about. That would be sweet, Leonard having a parental figure to support him, unlike his own parents.

They could also show Newhart in flashbacks, he doesn't have to be an Obi-Wan ghost LOL

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18 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

In Sheldon's case, it is how he is wired.  I'd love to see Professor Proton 'talk' to Leonard.

that Sheldons own little thing it would not suit Leonard 

 

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9 minutes ago, bfm said:

The thing is, PP is in Sheldon's imagination. I guess Leonard doesn't imagine him when he has problems. What does he do? I don't know. We weren't shown that much. I wish we did. Like, maybe the kids thing wasn't the only thing he turned to Wyatt about. That would be sweet, Leonard having a parental figure to support him, unlike his own parents.

They could also show Newhart in flashbacks, he doesn't have to be an Obi-Wan ghost LOL

He doesn’t have to be an Obi-Wan type ghost to Leonard and/or Penny. Just a person that influenced their lives appearing to guide and inspire them in their imagination. It would be a great touch and tribute to the Proton/Jeffries character that he was so beloved.

Wyatt would be another option. I think the actor’s availability would be a factor. Keith has responsibilities with Madam Secretary. IMHO, an episode with Jeffers/Proton “visiting” the cast (even briefly Howard, Bernadette, Raj and even Stuart) would be a brilliant use of Mr Newhart.

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I’m not going to give up on this. I guess my main point is Protron/Jeffers was not only about Sheldon. His persona and early life influence was also felt elsewhere on youthful TBBT characters. He also made an impression on the adult Penny. There was always a continuing possibility to use him in a wider manner.

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46 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

I’ll make the argument that Leonard is just as broken, perhaps even more so, as/than Sheldon. A domineering, insensitive, unloving mother , a largely absent father. A roommate/best friend that discounts his intelligence and career and accomplishments therein. I could go on.

Very often our dream lives can help us in our waking lives. Perhaps Professor Proton could bring guidance or solace or help in solving life’s issues for Leonard (a person who was effected greatly in his youth by PP). Perhaps Arthur Jeffries (the distinction here is on purpose) could provide advice to Penny (someone who admired him in the brief time they were acquainted AND someone her husband respects) help her see certain things in a different light.

Again, a way to make Bob Newhart’s appearances more wide-ranging.

I don't see him as broken as Sheldon. Yes he had a tough childhood as did Sheldon. But Leonard emerged as a caring, loving individual, where as Sheldon emerged as a condescending jerk of a know-it-all. Sheldon has way more issues than Leonard!

1 minute ago, hokie3457 said:

I’m not going to give up on this. I guess my main point is Protron/Jeffers was not only about Sheldon. His persona and early life influence was also felt elsewhere on youthful TBBT characters. He also made an impression on the adult Penny. There was always a continuing possibility to use him in a wider manner.

Yes, but not as a dream conscience. Just a dream Jefferies helping Leonard sort thru issues. But, that will never happen as the writers would probably believe that would be infringing on Sheldon's dreams!

11 hours ago, legacy99 said:

My only prediction for the finale will be Amy and sheldon getting the Nobel prize and sheldon being upset because he has to share it with Amy

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He don't like to share!

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50 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

I’m not going to give up on this. I guess my main point is Protron/Jeffers was not only about Sheldon. His persona and early life influence was also felt elsewhere on youthful TBBT characters. He also made an impression on the adult Penny. There was always a continuing possibility to use him in a wider manner.

Given the fact that the writers had portrayed Penny as a blond dummy in their first encounter with PP ("Any chance we could plug it into the potato?"), I had to grin about your remark.

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But you're right. Penny left a rather positive impression on him.

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Personally, I can relate to that very well.  😉

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2 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

He doesn’t have to be an Obi-Wan type ghost to Leonard and/or Penny. Just a person that influenced their lives appearing to guide and inspire them in their imagination. It would be a great touch and tribute to the Proton/Jeffries character that he was so beloved.

Wyatt would be another option. I think the actor’s availability would be a factor. Keith has responsibilities with Madam Secretary. IMHO, an episode with Jeffers/Proton “visiting” the cast (even briefly Howard, Bernadette, Raj and even Stuart) would be a brilliant use of Mr Newhart.

They have chosen to give only Sheldon a wider range of dreams. Leonard gets only nightmares. It seems that Leonard is more broken even if he appears more normal.

3 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

I’ll make the argument that Leonard is just as broken, perhaps even more so, as/than Sheldon. A domineering, insensitive, unloving mother , a largely absent father. A roommate/best friend that discounts his intelligence and career and accomplishments therein. I could go on.

I agree.

3 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

Very often our dream lives can help us in our waking lives. Perhaps Professor Proton could bring guidance or solace or help in solving life’s issues for Leonard (a person who was effected greatly in his youth by PP). Perhaps Arthur Jeffries (the distinction here is on purpose) could provide advice to Penny (someone who admired him in the brief time they were acquainted AND someone her husband respects) help her see certain things in a different light.

I believe that PP started appearing in Sheldon's dreams in a Star Wars day episode The Proton Transmogrification. Penny and Leonard actually go to the funeral and Sheldon skips it. That is the beginning of his PP Obi-Wan dreams.

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3 hours ago, Capt. Hilts said:

I like this.

Yes, Leonard is just as "broken" as Sheldon is.  Leonard had a horrible childhood.

In Sheldon's case, it is how he is wired.  I'd love to see Professor Proton 'talk' to Leonard.

Yes That would be an engaging scene.  I agree Leonard might be more broken than Sheldon but he has Penny who brought him "out of his shell" and gave him a confidence boost. This maybe the primary reason why he would not leave Penny along with that he loves her to death, even with the no-baby issue.

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Thing is it's clear that he's part of Sheldon's subconscious mind, conjured up when he knows he's done something wrong or is facing a dilemma and it's his brain's way of processing it.

If Proton starts appearing in other people's dreams then what is he? A ghost? a Spirit?

I think if he was to appear again on the show on a storyline involving something else I think flashback scenes would be only way to do it.  Maybe there is a documentary being made about his life or something and one of the gang remembers a conversation he had with him or something with a flashback scene?

But honestly and this is just my opinion the actual material for Newhart hasn't been that good in his last couple of appearances. On that basis I am not sure I want to see his character again during the final season.

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12 hours ago, vonmar said:

Or maybe in their final season they wanted a beloved 89 year old actor on their show one more time and wrote an episode to make that happen.

Maybe it's not about the "Sheldon Show", maybe it's simply about looking backwards while looking forward.

It is open to interpretation, of course, but I still maintain it just is more about the Sheldon Show, and less about their care for Bob Newhart. To me it is a shame what the show has become, and I am very glad that this is the last season. The agony will finally be over. As I've mentioned before I don't even know why I keep on watching, even if I suspect it is out of some misplaced loyalty of mine.

5 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

There have been many occasions when Sheldon has been funny over the years. 

Even a broken clock is right twice a day...

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