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38 minutes ago, Burberry said:

It’s just not new, it happens whenever 

As Usual We Disagree! Have A Nice Day!!

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1 hour ago, Burberry said:

It’s just not new, it happens whenever 

When exactly is whenever?  Do you have some specific examples?

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17 hours ago, Chrismo said:

My biggest complaint is their not Beverly or Mary who you have seen throughout the years. But they have been on 3 out of the last  9 episode. JMO its too much.

They just joined the show. They couldn't have been on like Mary and Beverly were. I like them. I think they're funny. Teller especially. To me it's all about the comedy.

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1 hour ago, Tensor said:

When exactly is whenever?  Do you have some specific examples?

Whenever is not specific 

Whevever is whenever 

Penny sits in that chair whenever 

and Leonard sits in that chair whenever 

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3 minutes ago, Burberry said:

Whenever is not specific 

Whevever is whenever 

Penny sits in that chair whenever 

and Leonard sits in that chair whenever 

But you said “ It means nothing” that she is sitting in the chair.   We know she sits in the chair when Leonard isn’t there. But at group dinners, which is what the original post was about, Leonard sits in the chair next to the table and Penny sits in another chair, next to him. That’s why I asked if you had a specific example of her sitting there when Leonard is around. Without one(actually several) your “whenever”  is simply wrong. 

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8 hours ago, spidergirl said:

Both imo were selfish. I think the difference is people tend to defend the actions from those who they care for. Bad actions are always bad, no matter what.

You are correct as usual, but there is a big difference: Sheldon is selfish most of the time, and Leonard is selfish very rarely. If we go by who is a better person to his friends it is not even a contest. I know you like and care about Sheldon but he is one of the most selfish and self centered characters ever created. Furthermore, in this episode more than being straight up selfish, IMO Leonard came out as desperate, as not knowing what to do, and took the decision of awarding the money to himself as a last resort measure. The fact that he benefitted himself in the process was indeed selfish, but nothing major, IMO.

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19 minutes ago, Carlos said:

You are correct as usual, but there is a big difference: Sheldon is selfish most of the time, and Leonard is selfish very rarely. If we go by who is a better person to his friends it is not even a contest. I know you like and care about Sheldon but he is one of the most selfish and self centered characters ever created. Furthermore, in this episode more than being straight up selfish, IMO Leonard came out as desperate, as not knowing what to do, and took the decision of awarding the money to himself as a last resort measure. The fact that he benefitted himself in the process was indeed selfish, but nothing major, IMO.

Totally agree!

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They tapeTuesday night.  Do they write in Johnny’s broken finger?  How have they handled stuff like that in the past.  Someone in the comment indicated Mayim had a cast on her hand at some point.  They can’t hide a hand too easily.  It seems like they could write,something me jokes about it but maybe not by Tuesday.  The X-ray was taken yesterday afternoon 2ish so they haven’t had much time.

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11 minutes ago, MsGreentea said:

They tapeTuesday night.  Do they write in Johnny’s broken finger?  How have they handled stuff like that in the past.  Someone in the comment indicated Mayim had a cast on her hand at some point.  They can’t hide a hand too easily.  It seems like they could write,something me jokes about it but maybe not by Tuesday.  The X-ray was taken yesterday afternoon 2ish so they haven’t had much time.

They can easily hide the hand having Johnny standing behind the kitchen island or other objects in 4A.

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They can easily hide the hand having Johnny standing behind the kitchen island or other objects in 4A.

It looks like the break is splinted and not casted. As long as he does not have to carry or grab anything for the episode the splint could easily be removed for taping. I broke my ring finger in high school and took the splint off to play my musical instrument since homecoming week was quickly coming up and the band is heavily involved with homecoming activities.


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3 hours ago, Carlos said:

You are correct as usual, but there is a big difference: Sheldon is selfish most of the time, and Leonard is selfish very rarely. If we go by who is a better person to his friends it is not even a contest. I know you like and care about Sheldon but he is one of the most selfish and self centered characters ever created. Furthermore, in this episode more than being straight up selfish, IMO Leonard came out as desperate, as not knowing what to do, and took the decision of awarding the money to himself as a last resort measure. The fact that he benefitted himself in the process was indeed selfish, but nothing major, IMO.

Leonard was selfish in this episode, I don't see how it can be argued any other way.

They have ALL been selfish multiple times on the show.

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37 minutes ago, Jonny said:

Leonard was selfish in this episode, I don't see how it can be argued any other way.

They have ALL been selfish multiple times on the show.

And did I say anything to the contrary? Read my last sentence. But there were other reasons for him acting as he did, and as you very well know it wasn't his intention from the start to keep the money, now was it? While you are correct in saying that they have all been selfish throughout the show, it is also correct to point out that Sheldon has been by far the most selfish throughout the run of the show and that cannot be argued any other way, either.

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4 minutes ago, Carlos said:

And did I say anything to the contrary? Read my last sentence. But there were other reasons for him acting as he did, and as you very well know it wasn't his intention from the start to keep the money, now was it? While you are correct in saying that they have all been selfish throughout the show, it is also correct to point out that Sheldon has been by far the most selfish throughout the run of the show and that cannot be argued any other way, either.

Your facts are undeniable!

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39 minutes ago, Carlos said:

And did I say anything to the contrary? Read my last sentence. But there were other reasons for him acting as he did, and as you very well know it wasn't his intention from the start to keep the money, now was it? While you are correct in saying that they have all been selfish throughout the show, it is also correct to point out that Sheldon has been by far the most selfish throughout the run of the show and that cannot be argued any other way, either.

 

There was a 'get out.'

He could have simply gone to Siebert and said that he weighed up all the options all three are doing great work and funding would help that further but he ultimately couldn't decide so he was giving up the responsibility.  Siebert would have then passed the decision on to somebody else as he revealed to Leonard. He did go to Siebert, the thing is he didn't give it up.

If it was me in that position the one thing I wouldn't do is allocate the funding to myself, from the outset that could not have been an option.  If I felt strongly that the funding would have helped me and that my case for funding was just as strong as the other candidates then I would have submitted my proposal to whoever was going to take charge of the decision after I gave it up.

Doesn't matter how he came to that outcome even if he had noble intentions from the outset, he made a decision that ultimately benefited himself.

I'm not comparing or ranking selfishness moments on the show between the characters, nor do I see the argument 'Well he's not as selfish as so and so so we can let him off just this time' as a valid one.

Leonard was selfish and I have no problem with it, none of the characters are saints on this show and it would be kind of boring if they were truth be told.

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He could have called all three to his lab, had them write their name on small pieces of paper and drawn one out of a beaker.

In other words, he didn't have to actively make a choice and certainly shouldn't have chosen himself.

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1 minute ago, Capt. Hilts said:

He could have called all three to his lab, had them write their name on small pieces of paper and drawn one out of a beaker.

In other words, he didn't have to actively make a choice and certainly shouldn't have chosen himself.

Sure it was selfish and pulling a name out of a hat would be more fair-  but the losers would be just as likely to be mad at him.  Do you think Kripke cares about fair?  He would jus call him a loser for not making a decision n his favor.

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21 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

He could have called all three to his lab, had them write their name on small pieces of paper and drawn one out of a beaker.

In other words, he didn't have to actively make a choice and certainly shouldn't have chosen himself.

Seeing as this is a sitcom, your suggestion wouldn't be funny or resolve anything!

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10 minutes ago, chucky said:

Seeing as this is a sitcom, your suggestion wouldn't be funny or resolve anything!

I said same in an earlier post.

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I'll take the liberty of using a quote at this point. 😉

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1 hour ago, Carlos said:

And did I say anything to the contrary? Read my last sentence. But there were other reasons for him acting as he did, and as you very well know it wasn't his intention from the start to keep the money, now was it? While you are correct in saying that they have all been selfish throughout the show, it is also correct to point out that Sheldon has been by far the most selfish throughout the run of the show and that cannot be argued any other way, either.

It makes you understand why this plot was centered around Leonard, is there any doubt in anyone’s mind that if Siebert gave to task to Sheldon he would have immediately taken the money for himself, since he is “Homo-Novus” after all, and that would have been the end to it.

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4 hours ago, MsGreentea said:

They tapeTuesday night.  Do they write in Johnny’s broken finger?  How have they handled stuff like that in the past.  Someone in the comment indicated Mayim had a cast on her hand at some point.  They can’t hide a hand too easily.  It seems like they could write,something me jokes about it but maybe not by Tuesday.  The X-ray was taken yesterday afternoon 2ish so they haven’t had much time.

That bone looks completely broken and since it doesn’t look like he had an operation to pin it or put a plate in, like Kaley had done, I can’t image he would be allowed to take the bracing off in less than a week of the injury.  So unless they find a way to hide it, I think we will see the brace in the show.

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34 minutes ago, SRAM said:

That bone looks completely broken and since it doesn’t look like he had an operation to pin it or put a plate in, like Kaley had done, I can’t image he would be allowed to take the bracing off in less than a week of the injury.  So unless they find a way to hide it, I think we will see the brace in the show.

If he went to the ER, that brace may be temporary until he can see a specialist. A specialist might actually put him in a cast for a period of time.  I can't imagine that he can take that brace off for filming.

I broke my left arm a few years ago and the ER put me in a brace.  3 days later (after the swelling went down) I went to the specialist who set the break back in place and then put a cast on my arm.

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2 hours ago, Capt. Hilts said:

I said same in an earlier post.

 I know! I added the wouldn't be funny and reiterated your not resolve anything.

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I don’t get what point were trying to establish here. Was Leonard selfish in this particular instance? Yes. But he’s not a selfish character in cannon. Sheldon is. If we’re taking score. It’s Sheldon 10000, Leonard 10. Theirs more vast and broader evidence over the course of the past 12 seasons of Sheldon generally being a selfish character. That doesent mean I don’t think he has any redeeming qualities. He’s proove he cares about Leonard. But you can’t quantifie one selfish action from Leonard. Which can be argued as OOC. In the same volume as Sheldons pathological pattern of selfish behaviour.

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