[Spoilers] Season 12 Discussion Thread

[chucky]

2 hours ago, joyceraye said:

You must have missed or dismissed episode 1203.

Wasn't the first time I dismissed an episode!

2 hours ago, Sah said:

Leonard participated as well. Raj and Howard participated. 

But Leonard stopped when thinking Beverly did those on him. Whereas the great sheldon cooper continued and got upset when he was forced to stop. Then was happy at the thought of maybe doing more in the future. What a nice guy!

Edited March 10, 2019 by chucky

[Sah]

14 hours ago, MsGreentea said:

1 P&L two potentially good parents who will not have a child because Penny has  suddenly decided she doesn’t want to  - even though she knows Leonard really does want a child.  

2  H&B a woman who adamently did not want a child but agreed to have them only if her husband would agree to be the primary caregiver - she had two children and he provides little help and they seem to have forgotten the agreement   

3. Amy &Sheldon a socially awkward woman who will need a lot of support raising children —yet will parent a child with a man who is a male  Beverly Hofstedter.  

 

I disagree with the concept of having a child solely because your spouse wants a child. This could lead to resentment, anger and divorce. Children are not a requirement for a successful, happy, life together.

[Chrismo]

4 minutes ago, Sah said:

Leonard participated as well. Raj and Howard participated. 

Leonard and Raj were going there just go there experiment or not.

[Sah]

4 minutes ago, chucky said:

Wasn't the first time I dismissed an episode!

But Leomard stopped when thinking Beverly did those on him. Whereas the great sheldon cooper continued and got upset when he was forced to stop. Then was happy at the thought of maybe doing more in the future. What a nice guy!

As did everyone else....it wasn't just Sheldon. Remember uncle kooth?

[Chrismo]

1 minute ago, Sah said:

I disagree with the concept of having a child solely because your spouse wants a child. This could lead to resentment, anger and divorce. Children are not a requirement for a successful, happy, life together.

Doesn’t Bernadette and Howard have kids? Bernadette was the poster child of not wanting kids.

[chucky]

2 minutes ago, Sah said:

As did everyone else....it wasn't just Sheldon. Remember uncle kooth?

But not Leonard. The others, except Amy, were thinking of doing more at a later date!

[Sah]

Just now, Chrismo said:

Doesn’t Bernadette and Howard have kids? Bernadette was the poster child of not wanting kids.

So what? People are different and make different choices. Who knows how Penny will feel later on. She is allowed to change her mind at some point as Bernadette did. 

[Chrismo]

1 minute ago, Sah said:

So what? People are different and make different choices. Who knows how Penny will feel later on. She is allowed to change her mind at some point as Bernadette did. 

And who knows she may have changed it already.

[Sah]

Just now, Chrismo said:

And who knows she may have changed it already.

You never know.

[Chrismo]

I think what’s frustrating to some Lenny fans is she selfishly based her decision with no consideration to Leonard. Leonard took into consideration that Penny didn’t want him to donate his sperm

[chucky]

1 hour ago, Chrismo said:

I think what’s frustrating to some Lenny fans is she selfishly based her decision with no consideration to Leonard. Leonard took into consideration that Penny didn’t want him to donate his sperm

That's an affirmative statement!

[bfm]

3 hours ago, Jonny said:

Leonard and Penny will be happy for them, if Leonard becomes jealous then he needs to grow the f up (...)

Umm... If this were RL I would be concerned if a guy who recently got his dream of having children crushed did not feel jealous of his friend having a kid. People are entitled to feel jealous, what they do with their feelings is another question and I don't see Leonard doing anything vicious.

Edited March 10, 2019 by bfm

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

I wonder if Penny would go for adopting a Baby? Sure it wouldn’t be biological/blood and not carry a combination of their DNA but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t love the child any less if it isn’t their own. I think Leonard would love the child and raise it like it his own and not treat it any differently.

They also may be helping someone

Nonetheless, I still think Penny will end up Pregnant on the series finale. And possibly Amy too.

Edited March 10, 2019 by MTBigBangTheoryFan

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

It just occurred to me but I no  remembered both Leonard and Sheldon donated their Sperm in the Picot Episode

They seem to have forgotten that
 

[shell]

3 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

It just occurred to me but I no  remembered both Leonard and Sheldon donated their Sperm in the Picot Episode

They seem to have forgotten that
 

They didn't go through with it though

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

Just now, shell said:

They didn't go through with it though

Did they not? For some reason I thought they did but been quit a while since I seen the Pilot 

[shell]

Just now, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Did they not? For some reason I thought they did but been quit a while since I seen the Pilot 

Actually I just saw it the other day. Sheldon was worried because there's no guarantee their smart genes would be passed down

[Die Zimtzicke]

4 hours ago, Mario D. said:

If TBBT ends this way with both Amy and Penny pregnant would be ok with me.  But if they write it as only Amy being pregnant how would Penny and Leonard feel about not having kids?  To have someone like Sheldon be a father first when he never considered a woman in his realm of worldly things would just be a decisive kick in the gut for Leonard and I imagine Penny would feel even guiltier than she already does.

Penny should be happy for them. She's the one who decided not to have kids. As for feeling guilty, she probably could but I don't think she does, since her dad told her he'd love her no matter what she does and Leonard seems to be at the point where he'd rather have Penny and no kids than sit Penny down and discuss her reasoning for not wanting them. He's being a wuss again.

 

5 hours ago, Mario D. said:

Yes Beverly treats Sheldon better than her own son........a very poor example of what a mother should be

But since she treats Sheldon well, I don't think he considers her a bad mother.

 

4 hours ago, Chrismo said:

That’s easy to say from the perspective of a non Lenny fan.

That's easy to say from the point of ANYONE who never got into the show for the relationships. They are out there and none of them will take this personally and consider it a slap in the face or a kick in the gut or whatever. It's still just a sit com  even though it leans more toward rom com at some points. Not everyone who watches takes it as seriously as some of us do.

[3ku11]

The idea of Shamy having children seems highley experiemental to me. I fear Sheldon would be like a Lite Beverley. 

I Feel Leonard would want to erase his childhood, and is desperately seeking a connection. That he never had with his own Mother growing up. So to me the story of the narrative is Leonard seeking that kinda depth that he has never had in his life. Fullfulment. So that is why I Think it makes sense to me Leonard as a father, more then Sheldon.

Hypothetically if Shamy have kids, for whatever reason. I think Leonard is entitled to feel jealous. I don't think he is a wuss for compromising in his marrige. I thought it showed great courage and strength. And showed how much he loves his wife, more then he wants children. But he is a human being, not a robot. Its natural. As it is I Think Penny well give birth by end of the series, I am predicting. 

 

Edited March 10, 2019 by 3ku11

[Die Zimtzicke]

1 minute ago, 3ku11 said:

I Feel Leonard would want to erase his childhood, and is desperately seeking a connection. That he never had with his own Mother growing up. So to me the story of the narrative is Leonard seeking that kinda depth that he has never had in his life. Fullfulment. So that is why I Think it makes sense to me Leonard as a father, more then Sheldon. 

Then he should sit Penny down and find out why she doesn't want to have them instead of sulking around or just going with the flow. He's such a wimp sometimes.

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

Then he should sit Penny down and find out why she doesn't want to have them instead of sulking around or just going with the flow. He's such a wimp sometimes.

I agree with you here. It about time Him and Penny sat down and had serious face to face conversation about having kids.


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[bfm]

27 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Then he should sit Penny down and find out why she doesn't want to have them instead of sulking around or just going with the flow. He's such a wimp sometimes.

If he did people would blame him for pushing her and not considering just not wanting kids legitimate.

[Nogravitasatall]

23 hours ago, Sah said:

That would be wonderful! But didn't new neighbors build that deck over looking Howard's hot tub? Or is that a different neighbor?

Wouldn't it be great of Howard has been secretly taking classes and now has a doctorate? That could be a cool ending for him...

It would be great, but doctorates, as I understand it, aren’t about coursework. They are, sometime, life consuming projects. Sheldon got two because he had plenty of time for himself.  That’s kind of an indicator of his ability to focus on task and not see the rest of the world. I think it’d be like Howard secretly nurturing a third child. So, unlikely

I want him to be head-hunted by Bezos or Musk and get aerospace stock in the next tech wave. Take that Big Pharma Bernadette! Further, Sheldon and Amy might emigrate to Mars but Howard will own the ships they fly there on.

That’d be cool. And equally unlikely, or more so.

Edited March 10, 2019 by Nogravitasatall

[Jonny]

27 minutes ago, bfm said:

If he did people would blame him for pushing her and not considering just not wanting kids legitimate.

No, I think they need to have this discussion and resolve it once and for all, instead of pussyfooting around for fear of hurting the other. Not talking about it results in ideas like agreeing to be a donor for your wife's ex-husband and a counter move in trying to sabotage that donation.

I think both stances are perfectly reasonable and I don't think that either of them should budge on the issue purely to please the other. If Penny doesn't ever want kids that's fine, if Leonard has to have kids then that's also fine and so we know where they both stand and what their options are going forward.

Edited March 10, 2019 by Jonny

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

12 minutes ago, Jonny said:

No, I think they need to have this discussion and resolve it once and for all, instead of pussyfooting around for fear of hurting the other. Not talking about it results in ideas like agreeing to be a donor for your wife's ex-husband and a counter move in trying to sabotage that donation.

I think both stances are perfectly reasonable and I don't think that either of them should budge on the issue purely to please the other. If Penny doesn't ever want kids that's fine, if Leonard has to have kids then that's also fine and so we know where they both stand and what their options are going forward.

This is where Leonard should bring up the idea of adopting. It better then agreeing  to be a sperm donor for our Wife Ex Boyfriend.    You do make a good point though neither one of them should be pushed into something or be forced to do something against their will that they don't want too. 

I wonder if secretly Penny had never wanted Kids (I really  can't remember her ever directly stating she would like to have kids) but Leonard always assumed she wanted them and so Penny let him assume that this whole time?  If that the case then she should not be leading him on that way and should be upfront with him. The longer it goes on the worst it becomes.  

 

Bernadette  originally never wanted kids either. Remember she was very adamant about children when her and Howard for became engaged.  Howard actually seemed accepting of her feelings about Kids but held out hope.  She was quit hesitant for several years until Bernadette father ask  them when he would get grandchildren.  she tried to blame it on Howard.