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12 minutes ago, Jonny said:

No, I think they need to have this discussion and resolve it once and for all, instead of pussyfooting around for fear of hurting the other. Not talking about it results in ideas like agreeing to be a donor for your wife's ex-husband and a counter move in trying to sabotage that donation.

I think both stances are perfectly reasonable and I don't think that either of them should budge on the issue purely to please the other. If Penny doesn't ever want kids that's fine, if Leonard has to have kids then that's also fine and so we know where they both stand and what their options are going forward.

This is where Leonard should bring up the idea of adopting. It better then agreeing  to be a sperm donor for our Wife Ex Boyfriend.    You do make a good point though neither one of them should be pushed into something or be forced to do something against their will that they don't want too. 

I wonder if secretly Penny had never wanted Kids (I really  can't remember her ever directly stating she would like to have kids) but Leonard always assumed she wanted them and so Penny let him assume that this whole time?  If that the case then she should not be leading him on that way and should be upfront with him. The longer it goes on the worst it becomes.  

 

Bernadette  originally never wanted kids either. Remember she was very adamant about children when her and Howard for became engaged.  Howard actually seemed accepting of her feelings about Kids but held out hope.  She was quit hesitant for several years until Bernadette father ask  them when he would get grandchildren.  she tried to blame it on Howard. 

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1 hour ago, bfm said:

If he did people would blame him for pushing her and not considering just not wanting kids legitimate.

Well, I wouldn't  because I feel that couples should discuss these things together. Not that there would be much humor in it.

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25 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:



I wonder if secretly Penny had never wanted Kids (I really  can't remember her ever directly stating she would like to have kids) but Leonard always assumed she wanted them and so Penny let him assume that this whole time?  If that the case then she should not be leading him on that way and should be upfront with him. The longer it goes on the worst it becomes.  

 

 

I remember the one when they all did karaoke Penny said she wanted kids some day after Leonard had asked her. It was the one Bernadette announced she was pregnant

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29 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

I wonder if secretly Penny had never wanted Kids (I really  can't remember her ever directly stating she would like to have kids) but Leonard always assumed she wanted them and so Penny let him assume that this whole time?  If that the case then she should not be leading him on that way and should be upfront with him. The longer it goes on the worst it becomes.  

She kept saying maybe someday, until after the ep where Bernie is on bed rest and Penny helps take care of her and Halley. I often wondered if seeing Bernie in that state ever had anything to do with her changing her mind?

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3 hours ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

I wonder if Penny would go for adopting a Baby? Sure it wouldn’t be biological/blood and not carry a combination of their DNA but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t love the child any less if it isn’t their own. I think Leonard would love the child and raise it like it his own and not treat it any differently.

They also may be helping someone

Nonetheless, I still think Penny will end up Pregnant on the series finale. And possibly Amy too.

I think this depends on what she tells Leonard about not wanting children

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17 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

I think this depends on what she tells Leonard about not wanting children

True, the adoption scenario works if the issue is about her not wanting to ever be pregnant.  It doesn't work if Penny can't see children ever being part of her daily life.

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Personally, I don't see an adoption as an option. I feel Penny will have the baby or there won't be one!

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2 hours ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

This is where Leonard should bring up the idea of adopting.

 

1 hour ago, vonmar said:

True, the adoption scenario works if the issue is about her not wanting to ever be pregnant.  It doesn't work if Penny can't see children ever being part of her daily life.

 

54 minutes ago, chucky said:

Personally, I don't see an adoption as an option. I feel Penny will have the baby or there won't be one!

Lenny wouldn't be accepted as adopters of babies if their only motive was avoiding pregnancy for non-medical reasons, would they ? We don't really know Penny's reasons. 

 If they said they wanted to save an older child from misery, perhaps a gifted one whose education the care system couldn't afford to support, and whose foster parents didn't understand,they might get away with that, provided they had  somewhere more appropriate to live.  Imagine the court social worker interviewing their friends for the home study.  (Shades of the time the secret service took up Howard's references.) They could get all that into an episode in 18 minutes 22 seconds.

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4 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

It would be great, but doctorates, as I understand it, aren’t about coursework. They are, sometime, life consuming projects. Sheldon got two because he had plenty of time for himself.  That’s kind of an indicator of his ability to focus on task and not see the rest of the world. I think it’d be like Howard secretly nurturing a third child. So, unlikely

I want him to be head-hunted by Bezos or Musk and get aerospace stock in the next tech wave. Take that Big Pharma Bernadette! Further,

I agree with you on this. Being head hunted by Musk or Bezos would be extremely cool for Howard. I hope we meet his father even more though.

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48 minutes ago, Sah said:

I agree with you on this. Being head hunted by Musk or Bezos would be extremely cool for Howard. I hope we meet his father even more though.

I don't think we will meet Howard Father now. Not enough time left but here 5 Episodes left to tape before the Finale (6 inottal) so who knows?  I not sure that was really ever a priority  for  The Producers and Writers.  I would have like ot have seen Howard father. I think Howard Half Brother is the closest we are gonna get. 

Personally I think it would have been more interesting if Howard Father had showed up while His Mom was still living. 

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3 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

I don't think we will meet Howard Father now. Not enough time left but here 5 Episodes left to tape before the Finale (6 inottal) so who knows?  I not sure that was really ever a priority  for  The Producers and Writers.  I would have like ot have seen Howard father. I think Howard Half Brother is the closest we are gonna get. 

Personally I think it would have been more interesting if Howard Father had showed up while His Mom was still living. 

Quite possible for Howards Father to show up in the series Final. Which would make sense to wrap things up for that character, bit of drama too. Seeing they can easily wrap this show up in one episode since Season 7. They could easily wrap up long term storylines in the finalie. I think Penny well give birth, I am not sure about Shamy but who knows. I Think Penny well get a job offer, I Think the Elevator well get fixed.

I always suggested be funny. IF when they are leaving. Lenny find an house, and get ready to leave Pasadena. And they all go in the fixed Elevator. And it breaks down LOL. Then you would have some flash forwards. I would also love a tag at the end. Kinda like when the credits roll after a movie. They cut to a reimaginaing of the first scene between Shelnard and Penny. This time you've got a Hot Guy, and Two geeky girls come across and say Hello. Camera Fades black....

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8 hours ago, Jonny said:

No, I think they need to have this discussion and resolve it once and for all, instead of pussyfooting around for fear of hurting the other. Not talking about it results in ideas like agreeing to be a donor for your wife's ex-husband and a counter move in trying to sabotage that donation.

I think both stances are perfectly reasonable and I don't think that either of them should budge on the issue purely to please the other. If Penny doesn't ever want kids that's fine, if Leonard has to have kids then that's also fine and so we know where they both stand and what their options are going forward.

I do think there should be a discussion, what I was saying is that I could see Leonard being made the bad guy if he starts it. 

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11 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

She kept saying maybe someday, until after the ep where Bernie is on bed rest and Penny helps take care of her and Halley. I often wondered if seeing Bernie in that state ever had anything to do with her changing her mind?

Maybe or maybe not. Remember, she took care of Howard then as well. I don't think he was pregnant! I think she enjoyed taking care of Halley. The adults were the pain in the butts. She loved it when Halley called her mommy. But then she knew that pissed off Bernadette and Howard, which also mad her happy!  :sungum:

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10 hours ago, chucky said:

Personally, I don't see an adoption as an option. I feel Penny will have the baby or there won't be one!

I totally agree with you, if only because there is not enough time to set that up and see it through.

 

14 minutes ago, chucky said:

She loved it when Halley called her mommy. But then she knew that pissed off Bernadette and Howard, which also mad her happy! 

You are right. That is 100% why she liked it.

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4 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I totally agree with you, if only because there is not enough time to set that up and see it through.

 

You are right. That is 100% why she liked it.

Yeah, she was a bit upset with Howard and Bernadette milking it for all they could get!

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I don’t see adoption as an option because it solves nothing -  unless Penny’s only reason for not wanting a kid is to keep her figure.  

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1 hour ago, MsGreentea said:

I don’t see adoption as an option because it solves nothing -  unless Penny’s only reason for not wanting a kid is to keep her figure.  

I don't think its superficial her reasons. I Think she is very insecure. And is still really effected by her own childhood and upbringing. She also see's how Beverly raised Leonard. And of course she is a free spirited independent. So that probably has alot to do with her decision. 

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1 hour ago, 3ku11 said:

I don't think its superficial her reasons. I Think she is very insecure. And is still really effected by her own childhood and upbringing. She also see's how Beverly raised Leonard. And of course she is a free spirited independent. So that probably has alot to do with her decision. 

Free spirit who’s got a sales job? Penny’s only mentioned her father wanting a boy once. Besides that she always maintained she had a wonderful childhood. You would think with Leonard’s childhood she would want to give him a chance to right a wrong.

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29 minutes ago, vonmar said:

 

Well, we knew it was ending this year! It's sad, but, inevitable.

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15 hours ago, chucky said:

Maybe or maybe not. Remember, she took care of Howard then as well. I don't think he was pregnant! I think she enjoyed taking care of Halley. The adults were the pain in the butts. She loved it when Halley called her mommy. But then she knew that pissed off Bernadette and Howard, which also mad her happy!  :sungum:

She only liked it for revenge of Howardette not thinking she was capabable. Not on a personal or enveious  way. Just for payback.

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5 minutes ago, Sah said:

She only liked it for revenge of Howardette not thinking she was capabable. Not on a personal or enveious  way. Just for payback.

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