[Spoilers] Season 12 Discussion Thread

[Chrismo]

5 hours ago, Sah said:

I have always heard people say they wish the writers would do something with her career. She is now amazing at her sales job and she seems to enjoy it as well. I think the writers did a great job with the whole sales rep thing. She even is managing her own team of employees with great sucsesd and even job offers from other companies . I think this goes a long way from the old Penny is dumb jokes. I am proud of her accomplishments in this area. Queen of pharmacy sales reps. I hope she views herself as successful and capeable.

 

That’s nice and all that but IMO I think most people would rather that her and Leonard would have relationship success like the two other couples especially since the show is ending. At this point quite honestly the writers have done a shitty job.

[veejay]

41 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Can somebody please explain to me what's so important about the cover of this particular magazine ? We have articles from magazines posted here all the time. There are dozens of magazines it seems to me. Why the fuss about this one ? I don't recall anything like this before.

Dealing with grief? It is some kind of mourning management, I guess. Because the end of... is unavoidable!

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

57 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Can somebody please explain to me what's so important about the cover of this particular magazine ? We have articles from magazines posted here all the time. There are dozens of magazines it seems to me. Why the fuss about this one ? I don't recall anything like this before.

It the top TV/Entertainment Magazine in The United States. 

[Chrismo]

13 hours ago, Sah said:

 

Could be...could she also be suspecting she is but waiting for a Dr. Confirmation to tell him?

Her being pregnant on the show is unnecessary because it’s already been told on YS Sheldon has kids.

[joyceraye]

1 hour ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

It's the top TV/Entertainment Magazine in The United States. 

Thanks. I can remember when we in the UK had one TV and radio magazine only, and later two.  Pre-Maggie it was illegal to publish more. That's about as 'top' as it gets. There were letter pages inside and still are, commenting on the content of  radio and TV programmes. Somebody once wrote in pointing out that the eventual winner had been on the cover of the issue printed the week before Wimbledon for the previous few years and jokingly suggested that Jeremy Bates be on the next one.  Otherwise I never heard that anybody seriously cared what or who was on the cover.

Edited March 14, 2019 by joyceraye

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'The Big Bang Theory' Cast Reflects on Their 12-Year Run Ahead of the Big Farewell

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"This is an abbreviated version of TV Guide Magazine's latest cover story."

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[joyceraye]

2 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Her being pregnant on the show is unnecessary because it’s already been told on YS Sheldon has kids.

That's assuming Sheldon was only ever married once.

[spidergirl]

18 hours ago, AmyIRL said:

Spoilers**

The episode that was taped last night is called The Inspiration Deprivation.

The guys that accidentally proved super asymetry have gone on a public campaign to get their names associated with the idea so they get the credit (cue in Ellen show bit)

The University has their own reception for academics to meet with Shamy on their work and the two guys crash the party and Sheldon holds his tongue at Leonard's pleading which results in Amy being the one to freak out in public. 

 

Shamy agrees to do a sensory deprivation tank experience to try to calm down from possibly having the Nobel prize scooped from them. It helps Sheldon but sends Amy into a tizzy as the pressure to win as a female is high (only 4 nobel prize winners have been women). -her freak out and inability to keep her emotions in check *could* be another hint to a pregnancy!?

In other news, Howard buys a scooter (midlife crisis?) Which he then has to sell. To me it was a cute bit and a snapshot into Howard and Bernadette's home life. 

There's a bit more but there you go. I had so much fun!! 

Thanks very much for the info. Glad you had a great time there!

[April]

19 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

That's assuming Sheldon was only ever married once.

Of course he was only ever married once. It was clearly stated by the writers that those were Shamy's kids. I guess having Amy pregnant is not so useless after all if people believe that Sheldon Cooper of all people will marry another woman and have kids with her.

[joyceraye]

2 hours ago, Chrismo said:

That’s nice and all that but IMO I think most people would rather that her and Leonard would have relationship success like the two other couples especially since the show is ending. At this point quite honestly the writers have done a shitty job.

What's unsuccessful about the Lenny relationship ? They're married, eat and sleep together, have mutual friends, take part in activities together, get on with the in-laws, aren't particularly restricted financially and love each other.

[snowflake79]

9 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

What's unsuccessful about the Lenny relationship ? They're married, eat and sleep together, have mutual friends, take part in activities together, get on with the in-laws, aren't particularly restricted financially and love each other.

Exactly. Looking at Lenny's story their relationship is a tremendous success. But I guess for some people a relationship is only successful when it produces children.

[3ku11]

4 hours ago, Chrismo said:

Whose useful on the show has past.

Yeah your probably right, but it is the series final. May as well bring back all the past characters. It should be a celebration, not a wake hopefully. 

18 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

What's unsuccessful about the Lenny relationship ? They're married, eat and sleep together, have mutual friends, take part in activities together, get on with the in-laws, aren't particularly restricted financially and love each other.

Yeah I Think as far as succesfull relationships goes Lenny is pretty high up their. Kids thing only thing that hamstrings their relationship. They are young, have solid careers, are not restricted by any other variables. Have their indepedence. So all good. 

[Itwasdestined]

I’m not gonna lose sleep over it or complaining incessantly but I just find it overkill ( not that either is confirmed yet ) to have Shamy ending with BOTH the Nobel AND the baby IN THE SHOW.

And my feelings just go back the beginning of each character’s journey in the show. It’s got nothing to do with Ship Jealousy cos that’s just not me.

I look at it this way.

The 5 principal characters from day one
Sheldon ( the original recipe) - it was all about winning a Nobel or being an incredibly successful scientist with all the accolades. To be fair the polarising guy, he’s been pulled through the ringer from go to whoa on this front. The monopole experiment that he thought was a winner found to be a hoax caused by his buddies, the new element that was much celebrated briefly before being found out as a fluke and not legit, losing hope in string theory then not getting anywhere with dark matter, the Shelnard paper and gyroscope that got killed of by military..... and now his last chance with the Super asymmetry in the balance with the two other physicists....... Fake science or not, I don’t begrudge him finally achieving his Nobel goal to complete his scientist journey on the show.

Leonard - from day one he wanted Penny and with some misfires and restarts he got her. Mission accomplished there for that part of his journey that was arrived at a long time ago ( contributing factor to him being downgraded in recent scenes - his main journey ended 4 years ago). Now his other goal was probably to be respected in his field. Despite the constant belittling by his buddy, he’s had small wins but they too have been cut short. That part of his journey is unfinished and doesn’t seem to be in the writers’ minds unless something happens out of the blue. I guess his other part of the journey is gaining the respect of Beverly. There’s been tiny wins there last couple of years, wondering if that will be achieved with Beranski saying she’s in the finale. Controversially I’m not counting smart and beautiful babies as a series long goal. It might have been day one and a few passing references but it wasn’t massive IMHO.

Penny - came to LA for a successful career - in acting. Ends with a successful career - in sales and marketing ( sort of acting[emoji16]). Count that as a win. Others won’t.
Wanted a man that would finally treat her well. Got him in Leonard ( ignoring boat kiss BS and the odd bad episode). Journey two complete. We might see her as an underdeveloped character even after 12 years but in the writers mind when they talk about giving each character a happy ending for their journey, they’re going to justify Penny as a success.

Howard - at the start, he just wanted to “get laid” then loved. He got his girl early and it kept getting better. He also wanted kids before his marriage and got them. He wanted to be successful in his job. He got his work on the space station and went there as an astronaut on top of working for Hawking. Despite it ending badly, his gyroscope project was just a bonus add on to his journey completed. Like Leonard he reached his goal so early in the twelve years the writers started to mess around with him by reverting him back to a man child dominated by the woman in his life, Mrs W replaced by Bernie. Deserved better; one of my favourites.

Raj - just a shambles. Failed. Gone backwards. From leading astrophysicist to planetarium presenter. Destroys every relationship he’s in, never learning. Sad cos I find him funny as comic relief but it’s all he’s ever been.

THE LATER ARRIVALS
Bernie was driven from the start to be a success in her field and has been for a long time. Didn’t see enough early on but plenty in recent series. Linked to Howard from start, fell in love and despite hiatus got her man. Her journey has ended well although that whole baby thing went against her plans[emoji15]

Amy - started as a female Sheldon clone totally about the science of biology. We got to see her do a lot of her science over the years and she was celebrated. Strange that the biology was suddenly cut off and she suddenly becomes obsessed with physics with Sheldon. Find that a weird end to her science journey.

Then her emotional journey. Didn’t take too long for the robot to yearn for being a real girl. That’s been a long journey and she got her girlfriends and her boyfriend/husband. I feel that was the journey and enough. She got there.

Which is why the sudden episode of Amy manipulating Sheldon into liking kids, considering the writers constantly downplaying more kid stories, just seems like an unnecessary optional extra to the Shamy journey. Sure they have had the odd discussion about kids and yes unlike Lenny agree on having them but when I look at as part of their total journey I just don’t see it as a big enough part of it over the total run of the series that it’s so important that Amy is pregnant by the end. Knowing it will happen should be enough. Let’s focus on the science part - for me that is more important since that was what was most important to both Sheldon and Amy at the start. Leave enough space in the remaining episodes for others to shine instead of adding babies when the Nobel story has dominated so much already and isn’t over.

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1 hour ago, Itwasdestined said:

I’m not gonna lose sleep over it or complaining incessantly but I just find it overkill ( not that either is confirmed yet ) to have Shamy ending with BOTH the Nobel AND the baby IN THE SHOW.

And my feelings just go back the beginning of each character’s journey in the show. It’s got nothing to do with Ship Jealousy cos that’s just not me.

I look at it this way.

The 5 principal characters from day one
Sheldon ( the original recipe) - it was all about winning a Nobel or being an incredibly successful scientist with all the accolades. To be fair the polarising guy, he’s been pulled through the ringer from go to whoa on this front. The monopole experiment that he thought was a winner found to be a hoax caused by his buddies, the new element that was much celebrated briefly before being found out as a fluke and not legit, losing hope in string theory then not getting anywhere with dark matter, the Shelnard paper and gyroscope that got killed of by military..... and now his last chance with the Super asymmetry in the balance with the two other physicists....... Fake science or not, I don’t begrudge him finally achieving his Nobel goal to complete his scientist journey on the show.

Leonard - from day one he wanted Penny and with some misfires and restarts he got her. Mission accomplished there for that part of his journey that was arrived at a long time ago ( contributing factor to him being downgraded in recent scenes - his main journey ended 4 years ago). Now his other goal was probably to be respected in his field. Despite the constant belittling by his buddy, he’s had small wins but they too have been cut short. That part of his journey is unfinished and doesn’t seem to be in the writers’ minds unless something happens out of the blue. I guess his other part of the journey is gaining the respect of Beverly. There’s been tiny wins there last couple of years, wondering if that will be achieved with Beranski saying she’s in the finale. Controversially I’m not counting smart and beautiful babies as a series long goal. It might have been day one and a few passing references but it wasn’t massive IMHO.

Penny - came to LA for a successful career - in acting. Ends with a successful career - in sales and marketing ( sort of acting). Count that as a win. Others won’t.
Wanted a man that would finally treat her well. Got him in Leonard ( ignoring boat kiss BS and the odd bad episode). Journey two complete. We might see her as an underdeveloped character even after 12 years but in the writers mind when they talk about giving each character a happy ending for their journey, they’re going to justify Penny as a success.

Howard - at the start, he just wanted to “get laid” then loved. He got his girl early and it kept getting better. He also wanted kids before his marriage and got them. He wanted to be successful in his job. He got his work on the space station and went there as an astronaut on top of working for Hawking. Despite it ending badly, his gyroscope project was just a bonus add on to his journey completed. Like Leonard he reached his goal so early in the twelve years the writers started to mess around with him by reverting him back to a man child dominated by the woman in his life, Mrs W replaced by Bernie. Deserved better; one of my favourites.

Raj - just a shambles. Failed. Gone backwards. From leading astrophysicist to planetarium presenter. Destroys every relationship he’s in, never learning. Sad cos I find him funny as comic relief but it’s all he’s ever been.

THE LATER ARRIVALS
Bernie was driven from the start to be a success in her field and has been for a long time. Didn’t see enough early on but plenty in recent series. Linked to Howard from start, fell in love and despite hiatus got her man. Her journey has ended well although that whole baby thing went against her plans

Amy - started as a female Sheldon clone totally about the science of biology. We got to see her do a lot of her science over the years and she was celebrated. Strange that the biology was suddenly cut off and she suddenly becomes obsessed with physics with Sheldon. Find that a weird end to her science journey.

Then her emotional journey. Didn’t take too long for the robot to yearn for being a real girl. That’s been a long journey and she got her girlfriends and her boyfriend/husband. I feel that was the journey and enough. She got there.

Which is why the sudden episode of Amy manipulating Sheldon into liking kids, considering the writers constantly downplaying more kid stories, just seems like an unnecessary optional extra to the Shamy journey. Sure they have had the odd discussion about kids and yes unlike Lenny agree on having them but when I look at as part of their total journey I just don’t see it as a big enough part of it over the total run of the series that it’s so important that Amy is pregnant by the end. Knowing it will happen should be enough. Let’s focus on the science part - for me that is more important since that was what was most important to both Sheldon and Amy at the start. Leave enough space in the remaining episodes for others to shine instead of adding babies when the Nobel story has dominated so much already and isn’t over.

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An amazing and quite honest assessment. Well done @Itwasdestined !

[3ku11]

1 hour ago, Itwasdestined said:

I’m not gonna lose sleep over it or complaining incessantly but I just find it overkill ( not that either is confirmed yet ) to have Shamy ending with BOTH the Nobel AND the baby IN THE SHOW.

And my feelings just go back the beginning of each character’s journey in the show. It’s got nothing to do with Ship Jealousy cos that’s just not me.

I look at it this way.

The 5 principal characters from day one
Sheldon ( the original recipe) - it was all about winning a Nobel or being an incredibly successful scientist with all the accolades. To be fair the polarising guy, he’s been pulled through the ringer from go to whoa on this front. The monopole experiment that he thought was a winner found to be a hoax caused by his buddies, the new element that was much celebrated briefly before being found out as a fluke and not legit, losing hope in string theory then not getting anywhere with dark matter, the Shelnard paper and gyroscope that got killed of by military..... and now his last chance with the Super asymmetry in the balance with the two other physicists....... Fake science or not, I don’t begrudge him finally achieving his Nobel goal to complete his scientist journey on the show.

Leonard - from day one he wanted Penny and with some misfires and restarts he got her. Mission accomplished there for that part of his journey that was arrived at a long time ago ( contributing factor to him being downgraded in recent scenes - his main journey ended 4 years ago). Now his other goal was probably to be respected in his field. Despite the constant belittling by his buddy, he’s had small wins but they too have been cut short. That part of his journey is unfinished and doesn’t seem to be in the writers’ minds unless something happens out of the blue. I guess his other part of the journey is gaining the respect of Beverly. There’s been tiny wins there last couple of years, wondering if that will be achieved with Beranski saying she’s in the finale. Controversially I’m not counting smart and beautiful babies as a series long goal. It might have been day one and a few passing references but it wasn’t massive IMHO.

Penny - came to LA for a successful career - in acting. Ends with a successful career - in sales and marketing ( sort of acting). Count that as a win. Others won’t.
Wanted a man that would finally treat her well. Got him in Leonard ( ignoring boat kiss BS and the odd bad episode). Journey two complete. We might see her as an underdeveloped character even after 12 years but in the writers mind when they talk about giving each character a happy ending for their journey, they’re going to justify Penny as a success.

Howard - at the start, he just wanted to “get laid” then loved. He got his girl early and it kept getting better. He also wanted kids before his marriage and got them. He wanted to be successful in his job. He got his work on the space station and went there as an astronaut on top of working for Hawking. Despite it ending badly, his gyroscope project was just a bonus add on to his journey completed. Like Leonard he reached his goal so early in the twelve years the writers started to mess around with him by reverting him back to a man child dominated by the woman in his life, Mrs W replaced by Bernie. Deserved better; one of my favourites.

Raj - just a shambles. Failed. Gone backwards. From leading astrophysicist to planetarium presenter. Destroys every relationship he’s in, never learning. Sad cos I find him funny as comic relief but it’s all he’s ever been.

THE LATER ARRIVALS
Bernie was driven from the start to be a success in her field and has been for a long time. Didn’t see enough early on but plenty in recent series. Linked to Howard from start, fell in love and despite hiatus got her man. Her journey has ended well although that whole baby thing went against her plans

Amy - started as a female Sheldon clone totally about the science of biology. We got to see her do a lot of her science over the years and she was celebrated. Strange that the biology was suddenly cut off and she suddenly becomes obsessed with physics with Sheldon. Find that a weird end to her science journey.

Then her emotional journey. Didn’t take too long for the robot to yearn for being a real girl. That’s been a long journey and she got her girlfriends and her boyfriend/husband. I feel that was the journey and enough. She got there.

Which is why the sudden episode of Amy manipulating Sheldon into liking kids, considering the writers constantly downplaying more kid stories, just seems like an unnecessary optional extra to the Shamy journey. Sure they have had the odd discussion about kids and yes unlike Lenny agree on having them but when I look at as part of their total journey I just don’t see it as a big enough part of it over the total run of the series that it’s so important that Amy is pregnant by the end. Knowing it will happen should be enough. Let’s focus on the science part - for me that is more important since that was what was most important to both Sheldon and Amy at the start. Leave enough space in the remaining episodes for others to shine instead of adding babies when the Nobel story has dominated so much already and isn’t over.

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Yep pin this lol. Particularly on the baby thing. The whole “our babies we’ll be smart and beautiful”. Was nothing more then a set up joke. I don’t think it was a long term goal for the series. Leonard’s goal was Penny. Penny’s goal was to become a big star. She grew up. Now lives in bland compromise. That’s the key to happiness. Acceptance and Denial. So their was really no real obligation from the writers to deliver children. Maybe no one agrees with me, that’s fine. 

If Shamy get pregnant and a Nobel prize. I think that would be just overkill. 

[bfm]

I have many problems with the no kids thing but none of them is a feeling kids are a must because of the pilot (although it is annoying that it's another "win" for Sheldon with his imaginary comment) or kids being required to call a relationship successful. I won't go into detail in this thread but it would've been a whole other story if they had Penny showing doubts before and started the whole thing in say season 7 which would've given them enough time to build this up and to have Leonard come to accept this in a way in which it would be believable that he would be fine with this as much as can be. 

Edited March 14, 2019 by bfm

[April]

Since we most likely won't see any Shamy babies unless they jump into the future (not to mention that so far it's all speculation anyway, right?) I don't get the big deal. Even if Amy announces that she is pregnant it's no difference to me knowing that they'll have kids in the future. Instead of "they'll have their kids at some unknown point in the future" it'll be "they'll have their first kid soon*" - so what? (*also as we know "soon" could mean anything from 9 to 12 months in this universe so who knows lol)

[chucky]

18 minutes ago, bfm said:

I have many problems with the no kids thing but none of them is a feeling kids are a must because of the pilot or kids being required to call a relationship successful. I won't go into detaild in this thread but it would've been a whole other story if they had Penny showing doubts before and started the whole thing in say season 7 which would've given them enough time to build this up and to have Leonard come to accept this in a way in which it would be believable that he would be fine with this as much as can be. 

I agree.

[Die Zimtzicke]

7 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Can somebody please explain to me what's so important about the cover of this particular magazine ? We have articles from magazines posted here all the time. There are dozens of magazines it seems to me. Why the fuss about this one ? I don't recall anything like this before.

One of the longest running magazines totally about television, and considered by many to be highly collectible? I used to collect them from my favorite shows myself. I saved one for each of my children from the week they were born.

 

2 hours ago, Itwasdestined said:

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THAT WAS FANTASTIC! So well done and I agree with so much of it! you really did a good job there. Thank you for a logical post on everyone.

 

1 hour ago, 3ku11 said:

Yep pin this lol. Particularly on the baby thing. The whole “our babies we’ll be smart and beautiful”. Was nothing more then a set up joke. I don’t think it was a long term goal for the series. Leonard’s goal was Penny. Penny’s goal was to become a big star. She grew up. Now lives in bland compromise. That’s the key to happiness. Acceptance and Denial. So their was really no real obligation from the writers to deliver children. Maybe no one agrees with me, that’s fine. 

I agree with you totally. I always said it was a set up joke.

[Itwasdestined]

This forum wouldn’t exist without the endless speculation on things yet unseen [emoji12]
And there’s a difference between critiquing and criticising. I outlined my reasons. I don’t think I was negative about it. And as I said, im not gonna worry over it. If it happens, sobeit. I like Shamy. Just think its overkill if,when writers continually refer to not wanting any more babies, they introduce a Shamy baby plot. But yes it is an IF and may not happen in the show.


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[chucky]

11 minutes ago, Itwasdestined said:

Just think its overkill if,when writers continually refer to not wanting any more babies, they introduce a Shamy baby plot. But yes it is an IF and may not happen in the show.

100% agreed

[KripkeRules]

9 minutes ago, Itwasdestined said:

This forum wouldn’t exist without the endless speculation on things yet unseen
And there’s a difference between critiquing and criticising. I outlined my reasons. I don’t think I was negative about it. 

Yeah...ummmm, but to me, it's more like "setting up a target and shooting at it".  

Seems more like an "overkill" because Shamy already have a lot to be "critiqued", no?   LOL. 

 

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[Chrismo]

4 hours ago, joyceraye said:

What's unsuccessful about the Lenny relationship ? They're married, eat and sleep together, have mutual friends, take part in activities together, get on with the in-laws, aren't particularly restricted financially and love each other.

While true that doesn’t make exciting tv. Would there be any reason to be in the last couple episodes?

[margarete]

well, all characters developed over the years ... as one does in the real life as well

for me penny developed strongest, from good looking loser type into a better looking bit successful sales women. and leonard developed the least, still more or less the same nerd as 12 years ago, only married to a good looking sales woman. honestly, in real life, that wouldn't hold long!

someone said raj digressed .. well he at least can talk to women now. I do not see that as step back. Yes he hasn't found true love, but who did? Out of all characters in TBBT noone is even close to true love.

 

I still expect Chuck Lorre to "sort of" drop piano on someone in the final episode, and I also expect nearly everyone to be in the final one! 

 

Edited March 14, 2019 by margarete