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3 hours ago, Mario D. said:

This was an insightful and comprehensive analysis of mental health.  And it is not the only topic Kaplan is not an expert in. Remember he also stated about women not having children to be fulfilled. He probably was the catalyst for the no-baby episode for Penny

I had no problem with his statement in general, that women don't have to have children to be fulfilled, the problems relate to dropping this on these specific character, the timing of doing so and what had been previously shown.

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Since I’m mostly anxious to add funny or cheerful comments, I don't find any urgent reason to express myself to the current situation of the series. I know it's always an advantage to be able to turn thoughts as it suits and also to circle it with strutting words. But I'm really exhausted right now. *sigh

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34 minutes ago, bfm said:

I had no problem with his statememt in general, that women don't have to have children to be fulfilled, the problems relate to dropping this on these specific character, the timing of doing so and what had been previously shown.

YESSSSSS!!!!!

17 minutes ago, veejay said:

Since I’m mostly anxious to add funny or cheerful comments, I don't find any urgent reason to express myself to the current situation of the series. I know it's always an advantage to be able to turn thoughts as it suits and also to circle it with strutting words. But I'm really exhausted right now. *sigh

I really know that feeling!

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23 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Penny really wasn’t good at her job till after the no baby storyline. The early success she had was of her boobs and no ring on

Sure. Well, she seems good enough for you, right? I'm trying to be kidding.

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1 hour ago, bfm said:

I had no problem with his statememt in general, that women don't have to have children to be fulfilled, the problems relate to dropping this on these specific character, the timing of doing so and what had been previously shown.

Yes this is true.  I meant he was the catalyst for the episode itself.

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23 minutes ago, veejay said:

Sure. Well, she seems good enough for you, right? I'm trying to be kidding.

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18 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

Well, she's wearing her ring here!!!!  (if anyone is looking at her ring!)

Sales would of been way up. Nobody would notice the ring or hair. Although erectile dysfunction sales would of been way down

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14 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

It seemed to me Kaplan was listing the deepest, most fully realised characters. So S, P & L's changes are greater in that there's more to them. I would say that L has changed the least of the 3 and he needs to change more.  I like S's changes the least - he seems diminished by becoming less of an outlying personality.

Howard, and particularly Amy, are shallower creations so A can completely change her behaviour and it doesn't mean much. But actually all versions of Amy seem to coexist, so that in some fairly recent eps she seems like a throwback compared to other eps. H is written fairly consistently, in that he never reverts to sleazy anymore.

Can't say I see that. Penny is all over the place. Whatever they need in a given episode. Leonard is kind of the anchor that everyone buzzes around. The straight man. I don't see any of these characters are deep or fully realized. They are all cartoonish. Someplace between Peanuts and Muppets.

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‘He’s actually fallen in love with a woman and now he’s married, that’s a lot of growth,’ he added. 

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/18/big-bang-theory-producer-confirms-three-characters-growth-ahead-sitcom-finale-8930069/?ito=cbshare

 

I don't see that. Being married did not really seem to change anything for them. Mostly they started to fade to the background.

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Eric continued: ‘Penny and Leonard in different ways have found completion in the other and they have developed and changed because they’re married now. ‘They found each other and they fell in love and Leonard learned to get out of his shell and appreciate his need to emotionally connect with the outside world. ‘Penny became more confident in herself as a autonomous maker of meaning.’

Leonard was trying to get out of his shell from the first episode.

Penny became a "maker of money". I don't see the meaning.

11 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

Well, she's wearing her ring here!!!!  (if anyone is looking at her ring!)

Doubt I would have noticed if she had ape hands or stumps.

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The following was reported by insomniak, in the "Information to Attend a Taping" thread.  It was moved here as that is not a spoiler thread.  

**MILD SPOILER ALERT**
So, as for the episode, I will not give out a full Play by Play on what we watched, but will give an overview..

Previous taping.  - Story continues in regard to Sheldon and Amy's Nobel prize, No finalization there. There was a personality switch between 2 main characters which was foreseeable within the subtext of the episode but was needed.  There was also a rather "back to the shows roots" story involving Howard, Raj, and Bernadette which I found funny and reminiscent. No real shockers or reveals with Leonard or Penny.

The taping we saw:  Show took again a "back to its roots" Format, which I really enjoyed. Felt more like a season 3-5 episode than the current season's wind down. Leonard and Raj are the 2 main story points in this episode. The group confronts Leonard about an issue that should have been addressed seasons ago so we could have seen more organic growth but it is relevant to cleanly breaking the series.  It's a good character development move for Leonard which could be the basis of the series finale IF they decided to develop it more.  In WHAT WE SAW BEING TAPED (yes, I capped that for a reason), it seemed the development/story did the typical Birth, Growth, Death cycle you see in a 30 minute sitcom BUT I wouldn't be surprised if there was an alternate story line taped as I really feel this could be a great story progression to end the show.

Raj's story did have Anu Present but it had nothing to do with their relationship. It focused around Raj's work and his reputation within the scientific community. Was a great side story to the primary plot.

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