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1 hour ago, bfm said:

<This is long and not really about the show so if the issue is not of interest to you just skip this post>

Very disappointed at Kaplan with this:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/big-bang-theory-producer-explains-sheldon-coopers-lack-social-skills-wont-ever-labelled-8914549/

The man is highly intelligent, but he clearly doesn't know what he's talkong about when it comes to diagnosis in the mental health field. He shouldn't be talking this way about something he clearly lacks knowledge about.

Kaplan seems to think there's a profession called "diagnostician", and what that person does is just applying diagnoses to people for them to get payments from insurance companies or something like that. Umm... What? There may be cases where people go to meet a psychiatrist or a psychologist to get officially diagnosed so they could get the support they desrve from inssurance companies but that is not where it ends, at least not the way it is supposed to end (you cannot make an adult person who's not a danger to themselves or others go to treatment so yes, in some cases it may end there because that's what the person chose). In some cases it also doesn't start there, the person may have been sent to that professional by someone who had raised concerns and is not allowed to diagnose or is not sure about the diagnosis. 

So let's clear some things out: A dignosis is a means to guide treatment. It is not the entire story, it is not the only thing that defines a person to mental health professionals, and itbis not the entire treatment plan. It just sets a certain direction. The professional who makes a diagnosis, that would be a psychologist or a psychiatrist (not sure if there are other professionals legally allowed to do that and maybe it's different in different countries), also won't just print out a paper with a label and that's it. There will be an assessment, more or less comprehensive, and various details abojt the person and their surroundings will be taken into consideration. If treatment, either by medicine and or psychological, is to start then the treating professional will make a more comprehensive, thourough assessment and devise a(n ever updating) treatment plan. If it is a psychodiagnostic assessment then again there will be a more comprehensive and through assessment and it will include some tests and end in a report that tries to convey an undertanding of the person and make reccommendations accordingly. In both cases the professional will try to understand the story of the specific person and make suggestions slecifically tailored for that person. (To clarify, there won't always be an inital assessment leading to a more thorough one, that's just in case there's a prior more ad-hock meeting.) 

So no, dear Kaplan, these "diagnosticians" you're talking about are not so different than you writers trying to tell a chatacter's story. They don't just label and that's it. They try to understand a person's story (in a way that's deeper than what TBBT writers do), while also applying a label that helps guide their treatment and get the person what they deserve (if there is something they deserve). 

I can understand the writer's reasons to not diagnose Sheldon, including Kaplan's feelings about it not beloging with what he does. That's fine, that's how he feels. But, he shouldn't be spreading misinformation, especially the kind of misinformation that may lead people who need professional help to avoid seeking for it (not saying this specific article has high chances to do that to many people, I assume it won't reach many people, but I'm talking about the kind of things he said in a more general way).

Also, Kaplan is making a generalisation that is just not true. He says "diagnosticians" and writers speak in "different registers" and makes it seem like a diagnosis cannot work in a comedy. However, there are writers out there doing marvellous job with mental health diagnoses on their shows. "Crazy Ex Girlfriend" is an outstanding example. They included a diagnosis in a way that is sensitive, realistic and multi-faceted. They also showed how a diagnosis can help in finding an appropriate treatment and enhance self understanding and feelings of belonging and being understood. And it resonates with people who deal with mental disorders, there are very touching posts and comments in a Facebook fan group I'm at. 

So I guess what I'm saying is, Kaplan, speak about what you know and speak for yourself and it would refer, probably (I don't know all mental health professionals and what each of them calls themselves), to psychodiagnostic(/psychodidactic) diagnosis, which is a full process, not just labelling.

/rant over

 

*ETA: To clarify, one may describe themselves as a diagnostician but that's not their profession, it's a job description.

This was an insightful and comprehensive analysis of mental health.  And it is not the only topic Kaplan is not an expert in. Remember he also stated about women not having children to be fulfilled. He probably was the catalyst for the no-baby episode for Penny

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3 hours ago, Mario D. said:

This was an insightful and comprehensive analysis of mental health.  And it is not the only topic Kaplan is not an expert in. Remember he also stated about women not having children to be fulfilled. He probably was the catalyst for the no-baby episode for Penny

I had no problem with his statement in general, that women don't have to have children to be fulfilled, the problems relate to dropping this on these specific character, the timing of doing so and what had been previously shown.

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Since I’m mostly anxious to add funny or cheerful comments, I don't find any urgent reason to express myself to the current situation of the series. I know it's always an advantage to be able to turn thoughts as it suits and also to circle it with strutting words. But I'm really exhausted right now. *sigh

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34 minutes ago, bfm said:

I had no problem with his statememt in general, that women don't have to have children to be fulfilled, the problems relate to dropping this on these specific character, the timing of doing so and what had been previously shown.

YESSSSSS!!!!!

17 minutes ago, veejay said:

Since I’m mostly anxious to add funny or cheerful comments, I don't find any urgent reason to express myself to the current situation of the series. I know it's always an advantage to be able to turn thoughts as it suits and also to circle it with strutting words. But I'm really exhausted right now. *sigh

I really know that feeling!

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23 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Penny really wasn’t good at her job till after the no baby storyline. The early success she had was of her boobs and no ring on

Sure. Well, she seems good enough for you, right? I'm trying to be kidding.

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1 hour ago, bfm said:

I had no problem with his statememt in general, that women don't have to have children to be fulfilled, the problems relate to dropping this on these specific character, the timing of doing so and what had been previously shown.

Yes this is true.  I meant he was the catalyst for the episode itself.

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23 minutes ago, veejay said:

Sure. Well, she seems good enough for you, right? I'm trying to be kidding.

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18 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

Well, she's wearing her ring here!!!!  (if anyone is looking at her ring!)

Sales would of been way up. Nobody would notice the ring or hair. Although erectile dysfunction sales would of been way down

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‘He’s actually fallen in love with a woman and now he’s married, that’s a lot of growth,’ he added. 

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/18/big-bang-theory-producer-confirms-three-characters-growth-ahead-sitcom-finale-8930069/?ito=cbshare

 

I don't see that. Being married did not really seem to change anything for them. Mostly they started to fade to the background.

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Eric continued: ‘Penny and Leonard in different ways have found completion in the other and they have developed and changed because they’re married now. ‘They found each other and they fell in love and Leonard learned to get out of his shell and appreciate his need to emotionally connect with the outside world. ‘Penny became more confident in herself as a autonomous maker of meaning.’

Leonard was trying to get out of his shell from the first episode.

Penny became a "maker of money". I don't see the meaning.

11 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

Well, she's wearing her ring here!!!!  (if anyone is looking at her ring!)

Doubt I would have noticed if she had ape hands or stumps.

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7 hours ago, veejay said:

Hey, I just came up with this funny usage, you have to figure out how to make it fit. 😉

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I;m not that good at doing that, so, I'll just kick back and enjoy what comes out of this! :sungum:

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