[Spoilers] Season 12 Discussion Thread

[veejay]

7 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

But I still think they didn't base everything on that being their endgame from the start the way a certain group of fans saw it, as a promise to come. And that doesn't mean they'll alter their plans now. The outcry has been virulent since the no baby storyline, but I think things were possibly set for the end of the season by then. I'm still not optimistic about it at all. Which is okay for me because I am a big no baby fan and always have been. I didn't want for romances or family drama. I tolerate Howardette's kids because we don't have to see them, but that's never been why I watched. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but as I said before I'm just not feeling it right now.

You know, I was always on your side on this special case. 😉
 

7 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

If Penny didn't know ahead of time that he was going to jeopardize his job to make a point, yeah, I think she'd be upset. Even if she told him not to take her feelings into account, for that I kind of think husbands need to. Is this another thing that they should have discussed as a couple? I'm not understanding all of this. I need to see it. 

Yeah. That was unfortunately the biggest problem in the portrayal of Lenny. A plausible development of their stories couldn't be noticed for a long time. The main thing was that the writers were happy, for the sake of… you know. 🙄

[bfm]

I think the conversation with Siebert is supposed to be an over-correction by Leonard, as is common in comedies. 

I agree that they just arbitrarily decide someone is happy or unhappy with their job, then again they also arbitrairily decide someone suddenly doesn't want kids so I don't look for believability or something close to realism there anymore.

(Also, Leonard goes straight to the president of the university? Yeah right...)

Edited March 22, 2019 by bfm

[veejay]

30 minutes ago, bfm said:

I think the conversation with Siebert is supposed to be an over-correction by Leonard, as is common in comedies. 

I agree that they just arbitrarily decide someone is happy or unhappy with their job, then again they also arbitrairily decide someone suddenly doesn't want kids so I don't look for believability or something close to realism there anymore.

(Also, Leonard goes straight to the president of the university? Yeah right...)

@bfm Yeah, you got it!
And yeah, my sarcasm in that statement was not directed against you. 😉

[chucky]

13 hours ago, Swedish Chef said:

I highly doubt Lenny will move, they are glued firmly or perhaps even welded to the holy kitchen island in 4A by the TPTB.

Soooo true

[Die Zimtzicke]

4 hours ago, bfm said:

I agree that they just arbitrarily decide someone is happy or unhappy with their job, then again they also arbitrairily decide someone suddenly doesn't want kids so I don't look for believability or something close to realism there anymore.

(Also, Leonard goes straight to the president of the university? Yeah right...)

This is a perfect resume of the situation...much better than mine.

That said, though, I usually love Siebert.

Edited March 22, 2019 by Die Zimtzicke

[bfm]

55 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

This is a perfect resume of the situation...much better than mine.

That said, though, I usually love Siebert.

I like him too but I doubt a university president does 80% of the things he does on the show LOL Od they couldn't bring Gablehouser back they should have just cast a new department head and say Gablehouser quit because of all the.. peculiar people in the department (and no I'm not talking just about Sheldon).

Edited March 22, 2019 by bfm

[chucky]

1 hour ago, bfm said:

I like him too but I doubt a university president does 80% of the things he does on the show LOL Od they couldn't bring Gablehouser back they should have just cast a new department head and say Gablehouser quit because of all the.. peculiar people in the department (and no I'm not talking just about Sheldon).

I thought Mrs Davis took over Gablehouser's job. I could be wrong!

[Sah]

1 hour ago, bfm said:

I like him too but I doubt a university president does 80% of the things he does on the show LOL Od they couldn't bring Gablehouser back they should have just cast a new department head and say Gablehouser quit because of all the.. peculiar people in the department (and no I'm not talking just about Sheldon).

Gotcha and I agree with you.

I don't look for much realism in the show either as it is just for entertainment, I have enough reality in my own life. I miss Gabelhouser. Would have been nice to see him. Perhaps we will see him again before show end.

[Carm6773]

14 hours ago, vonmar said:

LOL...gentleman Jim and his raging potty mouth.

I'm starting to think this is a quality shared by those of us born in 73 and/or graduated in 91.  A get together with my HS classmates sometimes sounds like a meeting of sailors.

[Chrismo]

2 hours ago, chucky said:

I thought Mrs Davis took over Gablehouser's job. I could be wrong!

He was head of the Physics Department. She is head of Human Resources 

[chucky]

2 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

He was head of the Physics Department. She is head of Human Resources 

I bow to your knowledge! I thought that was how it was, but for some reason I had a brain fart!

[bfm]

2 hours ago, Sah said:

Gotcha and I agree with you.

I don't look for much realism in the show either as it is just for entertainment, I have enough reality in my own life. I miss Gabelhouser. Would have been nice to see him. Perhaps we will see him again before show end.

Sure it is for entertainment, but I would like it if they made a bit of effort to get things more like they are IRL, or at least not so far from IRL as they did in the russian paper episode. But I stopped expecting that from them.

Edited March 22, 2019 by bfm

[Capt. Hilts]

4 hours ago, Carm6773 said:

I'm starting to think this is a quality shared by those of us born in 73 and/or graduated in 91.  A get together with my HS classmates sometimes sounds like a meeting of sailors.

Yes.  It is somewhat generational.

Using the 'F' word used to be much more rare and even more rare in public.

Back in the 30s and 40s, use of vulgarity, in general, was somewhat class-based.  Profanity had different patterns, but, also was not used in public - remember Rhett Butler's "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."  Caused a huge stir.  

Edited March 22, 2019 by Capt. Hilts

[joyceraye]

1 hour ago, bfm said:

Sure it is for entertainment, but I would like it if they made a bit of effort to get things more like they are IRL, or at least not so far from IRL

It always annoys me when writers unnecessarily ignore how things are really done. When real life possibility costs nothing and wouldn't harm the script I find mistakes and inaccuracies very distracting. It interferes with my suspension of disbelief.  Certainly if something ridiculous is funny and enhances a comedy, I can accept that. The same nurse being on duty wherever they go,for instance, I can take as a running gag because I know they're doing it on purpose for laughs. If it's put in as a result of laziness, sloppiness and not checking facts, that's another matter. Bernadette's year-long pregnancy is an example. Had they mentioned the length of it in the script so that it was something to laugh at, that would have been OK by me. Announcing it on February 14th and giving birth on December 17th with no reference to the baby's arrival being three months overdue resulted in my begrudging the writers their fee. 

[joyceraye]

12 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

Yes.  It is somewhat generational.

Using the 'F' word used to be much more rare and even more rare in public.

Back in the 30s and 40s, use of vulgarity, in general, was somewhat class-based.  Profanity had different patterns, but, also was not used in public - remember Rhett Butler's "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."  Caused a huge stir.  

Those were the days ! I heard they put the emphasis on the verb to avoid a ban. When My Fair Lady ( the film version) came out in 1968 we were talking in the office about how they'd deal with ' Not bloody likely' no longer being as shocking as it was when Pygmalion was first staged. My granny had seen Pygmalion some decades earlier and had asked me if a sixties' audience of young people would understand why Eliza's Edwardian companions would be outraged. Someone who'd seen the film the night before told us how they'd made Eliza yell 'Shift your bloomin' arse' which duly shocked her companions at the racecourse. 

Fast forward four decades the cast of TBBT from its earliest days not only kept no bodily function private, unmarried people unashamedly copulated with one another quite casually. What the fifties and sixties audiences would have made of such goings-on when in American TV shows married couples slept in twin beds, I can't imagine. Would companies have been allowed to show it ?  

[Chrismo]

1 hour ago, joyceraye said:

It always annoys me when writers unnecessarily ignore how things are really done. When real life possibility costs nothing and wouldn't harm the script I find mistakes and inaccuracies very distracting. It interferes with my suspension of disbelief.  Certainly if something ridiculous is funny and enhances a comedy, I can accept that. The same nurse being on duty wherever they go,for instance, I can take as a running gag because I know they're doing it on purpose for laughs. If it's put in as a result of laziness, sloppiness and not checking facts, that's another matter. Bernadette's year-long pregnancy is an example. Had they mentioned the length of it in the script so that it was something to laugh at, that would have been OK by me. Announcing it on February 14th and giving birth on December 17th with no reference to the baby's arrival being three months overdue resulted in my begrudging the writers their fee. 

There was no excuse since December 17th wasn't the first episode of the season.

6 hours ago, Sah said:

Gotcha and I agree with you.

I don't look for much realism in the show either as it is just for entertainment, I have enough reality in my own life. I miss Gabelhouser. Would have been nice to see him. Perhaps we will see him again before show end.

In terms of the show Gablehauser and Siebert really play the same role.

[Die Zimtzicke]

6 hours ago, Carm6773 said:

I'm starting to think this is a quality shared by those of us born in 73 and/or graduated in 91.  A get together with my HS classmates sometimes sounds like a meeting of sailors.

I was born in 1955 and when I get going it's pretty bad. But my dad was a sailor so I learned from the best. It makes me laugh when I hear about Jim swearing, though.

2 hours ago, joyceraye said:

The same nurse being on duty wherever they go,for instance, I can take as a running gag because I know they're doing it on purpose for laughs.

And she is just SO good.

[3ku11]

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/22/kaley-cuoco-reveals-big-bang-theory-finale-will-shot-without-audience-emotional-8980594/

Probably already aware of this. But Kaley says the series final we’ll be pre taped. So they then can do a audience taping. Because it well be emotional. I think Friends did that too. 

I am figuring the plots for the series final, that well be roughly 33 mins. I am betting Sheldon wins the Nobel Prize, regardless of how flimsy the writing has been, or the accuracy with the science has been. As for Lenny I am betting Penny well either give birth, or a job offer and they move.

I am not sure about Raj or Howard and Bernadette. Raj is the one character who has not been developed that well. I am hoping they fix the elevator in the finalie. I always wanted them to go into it when they are leaving the Apt for the final time, and it breaks down LOL. Then their are a few flash forwards. 

Edited March 23, 2019 by 3ku11

[luminous]

 

[Jonny]

11 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/22/kaley-cuoco-reveals-big-bang-theory-finale-will-shot-without-audience-emotional-8980594/

Probably already aware of this. But Kaley says the series final we’ll be pre taped. So they then can do a audience taping. Because it well be emotional. I think Friends did that too. 

I am figuring the plots for the series final, that well be roughly 33 mins. I am betting Sheldon wins the Nobel Prize, regardless of how flimsy the writing has been, or the accuracy with the science has been. As for Lenny I am betting Penny well either give birth, or a job offer and they move.

I am not sure about Raj or Howard and Bernadette. Raj is the one character who has not been developed that well. I am hoping they fix the elevator in the finalie. I always wanted them to go into it when they are leaving the Apt for the final time, and it breaks down LOL. Then their are a few flash forwards. 

I always thought a time jump would be a real possibility, and with it all being pretaped they could do stuff like age the characters with makeup and the like. 

I'm thinking scenes with all the characters older with text coming up on screen or maybe even a voiceover that shows us as a viewer what happened to them down the line. And if they did have kids then you could easily have some actors to play their children for a scene, much older so no issue around kids on set.  You could even have adult children if it really did show us a glimpse far in the future.

Though maybe a time jump showing aged characters might be a bit 'sitcom cliche?' I don't watch a lot of US sitcoms these days so I wouldn't know lol.

Edited March 23, 2019 by Jonny

[Sah]

2 hours ago, Jonny said:

I always thought a time jump would be a real possibility, and with it all being pretaped they could do stuff like age the characters with makeup and the like. 

I'm thinking scenes with all the characters older with text coming up on screen or maybe even a voiceover that shows us as a viewer what happened to them down the line. And if they did have kids then you could easily have some actors to play their children for a scene, much older so no issue around kids on set.  You could even have adult children if it really did show us a glimpse far in the future.

Though maybe a time jump showing aged characters might be a bit 'sitcom cliche?' I don't watch a lot of US sitcoms these days so I wouldn't know lol.

There was an interesting article on Screen Rant about how the show might end for Sheldon. It discussed the fortune teller way back when Penny took him. The fortune teller said everything will come in to place when you commit to the girl. It suggests the Nobel Prize and possible child all thanks to Amy coming into his life. I would like to see a flash forward to them getting the Nobel years out. With teenage kids.

 

Edited March 23, 2019 by Sah

[Die Zimtzicke]

58 minutes ago, Sah said:

There was an interesting article on Screen Rant about how the show might end for Sheldon. It discussed the fortune teller way back when Penny took him. The fortune teller said everything will come in to place when you commit to the girl. It suggests the Nobel Prize and possible child all thanks to Amy coming into his life. I would like to see a flash forward to them getting the Nobel years out. With teenage kids.

I still want to see them coming back to the building for the reunion, only Stuart is not stood up. He is just the first one there, and then the others all arrive.

[Sah]

5 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I still want to see them coming back to the building for the reunion, only Stuart is not stood up. He is just the first one there, and then the others all arrive.

That would be amazing!

[3ku11]

9 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I still want to see them coming back to the building for the reunion, only Stuart is not stood up. He is just the first one there, and then the others all arrive.

Diddn't they kinda do that in The Table Polirisation was it? Or was it The Friendship Turbelance? Stuart showed up end of the episode, and no none showed up lol. But yeah i can see time jumps. And being pre shot, they can make the characters look older with makeup etc. 

[vonmar]

17 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Diddn't they kinda do that in The Table Polirisation was it? Or was it The Friendship Turbelance? Stuart showed up end of the episode, and no none showed up lol. But yeah i can see time jumps. And being pre shot, they can make the characters look older with makeup etc. 

They don't have to time jump big.  They could go 5 or so years into the future.  Kids, families, careers awards, etc.  They could cover it all without aging them too much, but answering many questions.