[Spoilers] Season 12 Discussion Thread

[chucky]

2 hours ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

I wish they had done an Episode where Howard Dad shows up but I the show has run out of time. the clock is ticking. 

That's one of two items that the writers totally missed, Howard's dad and Raj's relationships!

[Sah]

As a Shamy I love the Nobel prize plot. It is something they have worked hard towards as a team. I enjoy seeing them doing things like working together. I love the idea of Sheldon insisting Amy's name be included in the nomination. It shows his growth as a human and seeing Amy is his equal. His partner.  I love the idea of Amy being a woman and a co-winner of this prize. I say bring it on! 

And on a curious note, would it be more interesting if everything had been the same except Leonard winning this prize and not Sheldon and Amy. 

[legacy99]

As a Shamy I love the Nobel prize plot. It is something they have worked hard towards as a team. I enjoy seeing them doing things like working together. I love the idea of Sheldon insisting Amy's name be included in the nomination. It shows his growth as a human and seeing Amy is his equal. His partner.  I love the idea of Amy being a woman and a co-winner of this prize. I say bring it on! 
And on a curious note, would it be more interesting if everything had been the same except Leonard winning this prize and not Sheldon and Amy. 

For me it's over the top for either sheldon or Leonard to win a Nobel prize

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[chucky]

1 hour ago, legacy99 said:

For me it's over the top for either sheldon or Leonard to win a Nobel prize

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I agree. But, it definitely be funnier if Leonard won one and not Sheldon!  

[Swedish Chef]

10 hours ago, Sah said:

As a Shamy I love the Nobel prize plot. It is something they have worked hard towards as a team. I enjoy seeing them doing things like working together. I love the idea of Sheldon insisting Amy's name be included in the nomination. It shows his growth as a human and seeing Amy is his equal. His partner.  I love the idea of Amy being a woman and a co-winner of this prize. I say bring it on! 

And on a curious note, would it be more interesting if everything had been the same except Leonard winning this prize and not Sheldon and Amy. 

No, it would still be the same boring story.

The Nobel prize plot is just a fairytale story from the writers, it has nothing to do with how you actually win a Nobel prize IRL.

Edited March 30, 2019 by Swedish Chef

[bfm]

4 hours ago, Sah said:

As a Shamy I love the Nobel prize plot. It is something they have worked hard towards as a team. I enjoy seeing them doing things like working together. I love the idea of Sheldon insisting Amy's name be included in the nomination. It shows his growth as a human and seeing Amy is his equal. His partner.  I love the idea of Amy being a woman and a co-winner of this prize. I say bring it on! 

And on a curious note, would it be more interesting if everything had been the same except Leonard winning this prize and not Sheldon and Amy. 

I wouldn't like anybody to win a Nobel out of the blue, it's not a ship thing. Saying the project has Nobel potential would have been better IMO. 

Friends' Joey was nominated for a fictional crappy soap opera award. Ross took years to get tenure. New Girl's Nick took time to become a successful author and it was when his book turned out to be surprisingly successful among teens. HIMYM's Robin has been through a lot before becoming successful and she wasn't the number 1 news anchor in the US or something like that. No one on Modern Family got major success. The Nobel plot IMO is thw stuff of Disney/Nickelodeon shows.

Edited March 30, 2019 by bfm

[3ku11]

My problem is for the show that has prided itself on accuracy when it comes to science. This is weak tbh. Seems a tad arbitrary that Sheldon is going to win the Nobel prize. It’s the equivalent to a 2 season plot arch being rushed as it’s the final season. Bit like with Ross and Rachel being rushed in their final season. 

The Nobel Prize I can understand in theory. As this is a show about science. But it’s hokey at best. 

[BigBang15]

Does anybody remember this is a sitcom, not a documentary or a reality show?

[joyceraye]

13 hours ago, chucky said:

I personally, have no desire to see Howard's dad. We've seen Penny, Leonard, Amy and Bernadette's dads. That's plenty enough for me!

I wouldn't mind seeing Howard's dad if we get an acceptable explanation of what went on.

[bfm]

18 minutes ago, BigBang15 said:

Does anybody remember this is a sitcom, not a documentary or a reality show?

I gave multiple examples from (long-running, successful) sitcoms where they didn't go too big. I'm not saying it shouldbe like a documentary but when things are too off it makes it hard to suspend disbelief and to me the Nobel plot feels like a kids show. I wouldn't mind if they made them win some fictional big prize.

Edited March 30, 2019 by bfm

[veejay]

17 minutes ago, bfm said:

I gave multiple examples from (long-running, successful) sitcoms where they didn't go too big. I'm not saying it shouldbe like a documentary but when things are too off it makes it hard to suspend disbelief and to me the Nobel plot feels like a kids show. I wouldn't mind if they made them win some fictional big prize.

True indeed. But this self-knowledge didn’t necessarily help these days. 🙂

[chucky]

31 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

I wouldn't mind seeing Howard's dad if we get an acceptable explanation of what went on.

Not me. For me, there is no acceptable explanation for running out and abandoning your family!!

Edited March 30, 2019 by chucky

[joyceraye]

11 minutes ago, BigBang15 said:

Does anybody remember this is a sitcom, not a documentary or a reality show?

That's true enough. However, to me that's hardly ever an excuse for inaccuracy or implausibility if correctness is possible. It's distracting when writers get things wrong. Lovers of 19th century European history will want to avoid Victoria and some of us who remember the 1950s and 60s are driven crackers by The Bletchley Circle and Endeavour. I can accept that in any genre of fiction something such as winning an award for an idea has to be made up - at the very least the writers can't be sued. In a comedy real people might play fictionalised versions of themselves.  Caltech on TBBT certainly plays a fictionalised version of the real place. Otherwise,  making efforts to keep things as near to what really happened or could have happened  makes in my experience for more enjoyment; it enhances the suspension of disbelief. 

[joyceraye]

8 minutes ago, chucky said:

Not me. For me, there is no acceptable explanation for running out and abandoning your family!!

If that's what he really did. Acceptable's the crucial word. They'd be hard pushed to find it, IMHO too. We know  because the ownership of the Howardette house reverted to him on the death of Mrs Wolowitz that there musn't have been a divorce. We know he had another wife and family. If there was no legal marriage to Mrs Wolowitz the ownership of the home could simply remain in joint names as purchased.  If he went to prison for bigamy when Howard was eleven and Howard was not told where his father was, all Howard knew was that his dad left. That's all we know too at this stage.

[chucky]

1 minute ago, joyceraye said:

If that's what he really did. Acceptable's the crucial word. They'd be hard pushed to find it, IMHO too. We know  because the ownership of the Howardette house reverted to him on the death of Mrs Wolowitz that there musn't have been a divorce. We know he had another wife and family. If there was no legal marriage to Mrs Wolowitz the ownership of the home could simply remain in joint names as purchased.  If he went to prison for bigamy when Howard was eleven and Howard was not told where his father was, all Howard knew was that his dad left. That's all we know too at this stage.

I disagree! He's had ample time to explain himself. My opinion he ran out on them. A better word "deserted"!

[joyceraye]

1 hour ago, chucky said:

I disagree! He's had ample time to explain himself. My opinion he ran out on them. A better word "deserted"!

What I'd hate at this stage is to discover Mrs Wolowitz had intercepted letters meant for Howard and foiled appointments to see him after he came out of prison.

[Die Zimtzicke]

7 hours ago, Swedish Chef said:

No, it would still be the same boring story.

The Nobel prize is just a fairytale story from the writers, it has nothing to do with how you actually win a Nobel prize IRL.

Totally agree. They could have done this so many other ways and had Sheldon and Amy work together and be successful as a team.

 

3 hours ago, joyceraye said:

I wouldn't mind seeing Howard's dad if we get an acceptable explanation of what went on.

Yes, I think there is definitely more there than Howard knows. I think it could be done well. I just don't trust these writers to do it. That said, I'm still focusing on the fact that we have no idea what the issue was at all. Howard's mother could have well told him to leave and not come back but not have told Howard that, that Howard would be better off without  him. We had that happen in a branch of my own family. The kids didn't know until they were in their 20's that Mom actually threw Dad out.

Edited to add...one of the saddest things you can ever see is a kid who grew up hating one of their parents because they only got one side of the story.

Edited March 30, 2019 by Die Zimtzicke

[djsurrey]

On 3/29/2019 at 3:45 AM, Jonny said:

I used to think the guidance system project was one of the most boring and creatively unimaginative story arcs the show ever did. I could never really get into it, was bored to death.

But then the Nobel project came along...

Even as a someone who enjoys Shamy more than any other couple on this show and it’s by a country mile I just can’t get interested in this story.

It is all background fluff to set up situations for comedy.

[Tensor]

3 hours ago, BigBang15 said:

Does anybody remember this is a sitcom, not a documentary or a reality show?

It’s also a show that prided itself and bragged on its scientific accuracy for eleven years.  They’ve abandoned that with this plot line in two ways. First, the work itself is bullshit, second, the Nobel process is bullshit. 

[bfm]

1 hour ago, Tensor said:

It’s also a show that prided itself and bragged on its scientific accuracy for eleven years.  They’ve abandoned that with this plot line in two ways. First, the work itself is bullshit, second, the Nobel process is bullshit. 

The literature search and making of the list of references was BS as well.

[chucky]

2 hours ago, Tensor said:

It’s also a show that prided itself and bragged on its scientific accuracy for eleven years.  They’ve abandoned that with this plot line in two ways. First, the work itself is bullshit, second, the Nobel process is bullshit. 

Yeah, it's as if they threw it all away for some kind of bull shit achievement!

58 minutes ago, bfm said:

The literature search and making of the list of references was BS as well.

Yep buddy! 

[JohnPhD]

We know that the main-cast actors get paid so much they need never work again if they don't want to, but how about the writers? None of the eps they're writing in the final series is exactly what I believe is known as a "calling card" when looking for another job.

[Die Zimtzicke]

39 minutes ago, JohnPhD said:

We know that the main-cast actors get paid so much they need never work again if they don't want to, but how about the writers? None of the eps they're writing in the final series is exactly what I believe is known as a "calling card" when looking for another job.

All they have to say is that they worked on a show that was a top ten show for 12 years and they are home free. The people hiring them are probably going to be into ratings.

[chucky]

18 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

All they have to say is that they worked on a show that was a top ten show for 12 years and they are home free. The people hiring them are probably going to be into ratings.

Maybe! But, was it a top ten show due to the writers or did the cast take their mediocre scripts and make them special?

[joyceraye]

3 hours ago, bfm said:

The literature search and making of the list of references was BS as well.

Yes it was. Totally unnecessary distortion and entirely without comedic merit. There was no reason they couldn't have done the paper and the publication procedure as it would be followed in real life.