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2 minutes ago, Swedish Chef said:

So Leonard and Penny are married  and that should just be enough for them(no prizes or babies whatsoever). Sheldon and Amy are also married but that's not enough, they should also have a Nobel prize and some babies.

I don't know. Perhaps. I'm sure  many Nobel laureates have friends and neighbours. Next time I meet the happily-married winner-of-other-awards neighbour of a Nobel nominee, I'll ask him if he thinks so. 

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1 hour ago, BigBang15 said:

Exactly how does it "detract and take away" from the Real Nobel? It doesn't make actual winners less prestigious, it may direct kids into science that may have not gone in that direction, it doesn't take away any prize money from past, present or future winners. The two fake awards you mention (or any fake one) means nothing. It could never aspire a gifted student to strive for. Sheldon (et al) winning a Nobel may.

 

For you, it doesn't detract.  For me it does.  Even being a fictional situation in which a team (Sheldon and Amy) quickly publish a paper and have another team equally quickly produce results of testing proving the contents of the paper and then having a rush to nominate and (possibly) award the prize (again, to me) detracts from what the "real-life" Nobel Prize represents.  Imagine the disappointment of a gifted student who is inspired by Sheldon and Amy to learn that, well, no.  A Nobel Prize is not awarded within months of writing an amazing paper.

Anyway, we will never agree, so there's that.....

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1 hour ago, BigBang15 said:

 

Leonard's big win is Penny. Penny's big win is Leonard. Kids are "The Prophecy"s big win.

Then Sheldon's big win is Amy? And Amy's big win Sheldon?

30 minutes ago, Swedish Chef said:

So Leonard and Penny are married  and that should just be enough for them(no prizes or babies whatsoever). Sheldon and Amy are also married but thats not enough, they should also have a Nobel prize and some babies.

And if they don't win the prize it's been a giant waste of time

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5 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Then Sheldon's big win is Amy? And Amy's big win Sheldon?

And if they don't win the prize it's been a giant waste of time

Why have this storyline if they don't win ? it's like you said "a giant waste of time".

2 minutes ago, veejay said:

No. The winner takes it all! 😁

Oh ! an Abba music title thats nice ! :icon_cheesygrin:

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1 hour ago, joyceraye said:

He did not try to sabotage Amy's research ! That's not fair. Granted the interference was down to his arrogance. He believed he was doing a favour to them both by getting her freed up from what she was doing. He was surprised when she didn't like it and went with her to see Siebert.

For all his verbal belittling of others, when there has been credit due for real work, Sheldon has shared it. His annoyance at Leslie Winkle's correcting of his equation came from what he stated was the possibility of his having to share the Nobel with her. He refused to put Ramona's or Kripke's name on the titles of his papers because their contributions weren't actually physics. It's Koothrapalli who's guilty of not giving credit to Penny. When he and Sheldon were messing about over naming the asteroid, it was Sheldon's discovery anyway.

Nearly. That reporter was only interested in his name as the head of the department. When they checked the other publications online Leonard's name was in them.

Amy didn't like what he did because he went behind her back and got her off her own project without her knowledge. That doesn't sound very supportive to me. He only was thinking from his point of view and not Amy. I can agree with you on Leslie Winkle, Ramona, and Kripke but with Koothrappali and his asteroid discovery he just took upon himself to take sole credit for it by naming it after Amy. Would it have been so hard to share the credit with Raj?  Also, when Raj was chosen to send a communication to other space worlds didn't he just take over the project and eventually sent a message by himself to the aliens. Sheldon has shown time and time again how unsupportive he is to his friends and particularly to Leonard always belittling his research. To me this is not a definition of a "best friend".

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11 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

Amy didn't like what he did because he went behind her back and got her off her own project without her knowledge. That doesn't sound very supportive to me. He only was thinking from his point of view and not Amy. I can agree with you on Leslie Winkle, Ramona, and Kripke but with Koothrappali and his asteroid discovery he just took upon himself to take sole credit for it by naming it after Amy. Would it have been so hard to share the credit with Raj?  Also, when Raj was chosen to send a communication to other space worlds didn't he just take over the project and eventually sent a message by himself to the aliens. Sheldon has shown time and time again how unsupportive he is to his friends and particularly to Leonard always belittling his research. To me this is not a definition of a "best friend".

He was the one that interpreted the data. Raj would never have seen it. Sheldon found it. He deserved the credit.

40 minutes ago, veejay said:

No. The winner takes it all! 😁

His big win is Amy and Nobel. Nothing wrong with that. Different characters can have different endings. It does not have to be the same ending for everyone.

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25 minutes ago, Sah said:

Love, success and happiness is not a big win?? Lol.

Why is it not the same for Shamy?

25 minutes ago, Sah said:

 

His big win is Amy and Nobel. Nothing wrong with that. Different characters can have different endings. It does not have to be the same ending for everyone.

So are suggesting there is no point of Kaley and Johnny to show up for the final tapings?

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48 minutes ago, Sah said:

Love, success and happiness is not a big win?? Lol.

Do you really believe this is proper closure for Lenny after 12 years. If that were the case they should have ended their characters after they were married which in some respects they did because they have not had meaningful storylines for the last three years.  I am not saying I don't enjoy their love and happiness together, it just seems they could have progressed more as a married couple.

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I will explain in a nicer way as my other response was a bit much.

Sheldon dream = Nobel from episode 1, never hoped for a dream girl.

Leonard dream =  True Love and Dream Girl.

Leonard got dream girl. He is a winner.

Sheldon to get Nobel. He is a winner as well.

Is this not accurate that they both got what they wanted from the beginning?

I will say Howard won too. He got his dream of a woman who loves him.

Raj won. He speaks to women now and is is in what appears to be a good, successful relationship.

Penny wins as well. She was unsuccessful at work and in love. She has both. She has a man who adores her. A successful career and happiness.

I think they ALL got what they wanted. 

I know several people will disagree and that is ok by me. Give me a grouchy emoji. It doesn't bug me.

In no way am I intending to be mean. Just truth as I as see it. 

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2 minutes ago, Sah said:

I will explain in a nicer way as my other response was a bit much.

Sheldon dream = Nobel from episode 1, never hoped for a dream girl.

Leonard dream =  True Love and Dream Girl.

Leonard got dream girl. He is a winner.

Sheldon to get Nobel. He is a winner as well.

Is this not accurate that they both got what they wanted from the beginning?

I will say Howard won too. He got his dream of a woman who loves him.

Raj won. He speaks to women now and is is in what appears to be a good, successful relationship.

Penny wins as well. She was unsuccessful at work and in love. She has both. She has a man who adores her. A successful career and happiness.

I think they ALL got what they wanted. 

I know several people will disagree and that is ok by me. Give me a grouchy emoji. It doesn't bug me.

Didn't you forget something that Leonard wanted from the first episode ??

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1 hour ago, Chrismo said:

Why is it not the same for Shamy?

So are suggesting there is no point of Kaley and Johnny to show up for the final tapings?

Of course they have things to do. Big Leonard episode coming up. I feel his mom may respect him more at seasons end. Another win for him 😄

5 minutes ago, Swedish Chef said:

Didn't you forget something that Leonard wanted from the first episode ??

Lusting after Penny, um nope...

I wish Penny and Leonard 4 kids. Is that enough? Or do I need to say a higher number to make some people happy? 

Leonard I think would be happy. Not sure about Penny. But it is what Leonard wants so why not.

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1 minute ago, Sah said:

Of course they have things to do. Big Leonard episode coming up. I feel his mom may respect him more at seasons end. Another win for him 😄

 

One episode. Call the neighbors wake the kids.

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2 minutes ago, Sah said:

Of course they have things to do. Big Leonard episode coming up. I feel his mom may respect him more at seasons end. Another win for him 😄

Lusting after Penny, um nope...

What about the smart and beautiful babies ??

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Ok, lets keep comments focused on the show.   Comments about other posters, what other posters think, or what you think other posters understand or want are off limits.  Let me also state that everyone is aware that this is fiction.  Comments asking if someone understand this, or comments stating someone is somehow confused about it, are condescending, of a personal nature, and not allowed.

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23 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

Do you really believe this is proper closure for Lenny after 12 years. If that were the case they should have ended their characters after they were married which in some respects they did because they have not had meaningful storylines for the last three years.  I am not saying I don't enjoy their love and happiness together, it just seems they could have progressed more as a married couple.

By doing what ? Once married, people can't get more married than they are, can they ? What is progress as a married couple ?  Lenny don't have an old house to renovate together, neither of them being of a DIY inclination. They are not keen gardeners. There's no visible evidence of anything like that they can point to to show the progress of something they've started together, are getting on with, and will be useful or beautiful when finished. If they lived in Europe they might take classes in a foreign language together and enjoy using it as they build expertise and take trips abroad.  As it is, what could they do that makes them looks as though they progress ? They are both working and interact with colleagues separately but have friends in common. They have things to talk about and go to places together.

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7 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

By doing what ? Once married, people can't get more married than they are, can they ? What is progress as a married couple ?  Lenny don't have an old house to renovate together, neither of them being of a DIY inclination. They are not keen gardeners. There's no visible evidence of anything like that they can point to to show the progress of something they've started together, are getting on with, and will be useful or beautiful when finished. If they lived in Europe they might take classes in a foreign language together and enjoy using it as they build expertise and take trips abroad.  As it is, what could they do that makes them looks as though they progress ? They are both working and interact with colleagues separately but have friends in common. They have things to talk about and go to places together.

Where have they gone together. It seems Howdette and Shamy have storylines.

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22 hours ago, vonmar said:

Here's the link to his review of The good Doctor...

He did another ep, too.

 

16 hours ago, Sah said:

How real the science is has never been a factor of my enjoyment of the show. I enjoyed the interactions between the characters first and foremost. I have to think their are a lot of fans like myself who would never try to understand the science or the process of winning a Nobel Prize or even how universities work if you are employed at one doing research.

I agree with you about the fans. Not all of them are that detailed by a long shot.

 

4 hours ago, BigBang15 said:

Exactly how does it "detract and take away" from the Real Nobel? It doesn't make actual winners less prestigious, it may direct kids into science that may have not gone in that direction, it doesn't take away any prize money from past, present or future winners. The two fake awards you mention (or any fake one) means nothing. It could never aspire a gifted student to strive for. Sheldon (et al) winning a Nobel may.

All of this is very true.

 

4 hours ago, BigBang15 said:

Leonard's big win is Penny. Penny's big win is Leonard. Kids are "The Prophecy"s big win.

Yes, that's the first part of your statement is probably true from the writers point of view. I am not expecting any kids because I never saw a prophecy. I saw a off the cuff joke.

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1 hour ago, Mario D. said:

Do you really believe this is proper closure for Lenny after 12 years. If that were the case they should have ended their characters after they were married which in some respects they did because they have not had meaningful storylines for the last three years.  I am not saying I don't enjoy their love and happiness together, it just seems they could have progressed more as a married couple.

To the writers, their storyline did end. I'm convinced of it. They are still major characters and the other characters react to them all the time, which gives them value, but I still these writers don't see them as the point of the show anymore. If anyone does they have more faith in the writers than I do.

 

44 minutes ago, Swedish Chef said:

What about the smart and beautiful babies ??

Again, THE WRITERS wrote a one off line, which the fans ran with, so they played with it a bit more, but I see no evidence they ever took it seriously. I see no evidence at all that the writers saw smart and beautiful babies as being anymore major than imaginary ones, or that either of those lines meant anything big to them.  Maya Angelou once said, "When people show you who they are, believe them." I think that fits the writers. How many times do they have to show you where their interest is before people believe them?

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