[Spoilers] Season 12 Discussion Thread

[djsurrey]

12 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Sheldon addressed The King  through the TV  some years ago when accusing a Nobel prize winner of being a fraud. I think anyone who's watched TBBT long enough would know Norway and Sweden are monarchies.

I have watched all of TBBT and remember nothing of what Sheldon said regarding Norway or Sweden. I don't really consider TBBT a reliable source of information about anything so had I been interested I would have looked it up elsewhere. Sometimes when they make reference to something I actually do look it up. Something like Euler's Disk https://www.real-world-physics-problems.com/eulers-disk.html or the Firefly series. I binge watched Firefly after a reference on TBBT.

[legacy99]

This isn't pointed at anyone here but I've had to deal with a few people in my life who thought they were smarter and better than anyone else. My wife and I raised are daughters not to be like that
Luckily for me in the last 20 years I get to decide who I work for and I definitely have a long talk with a person before I agree to do anything. Life is to short to put up with that kind of thing and yet I find a show I really liked from the beginning and tptb decide an a**hole should be the hero.
Maybe I'm just getting old and times have changed but I don't understand why anyone would put up with that kind of behavior

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[chucky]

47 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

I have watched all of TBBT and remember nothing of what Sheldon said regarding Norway or Sweden.

It's there. As god must have told Twiggy's boyfriend, seek and ye shall find!

4 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

Maybe I'm just getting old and times have changed but I don't understand why anyone would put up with that kind of behavior

I completely agree! 

[joyceraye]

1 hour ago, djsurrey said:

I have watched all of TBBT and remember nothing of what Sheldon said regarding Norway or Sweden. I don't really consider TBBT a reliable source of information about anything so had I been interested I would have looked it up elsewhere. Sometimes when they make reference to something I actually do look it up. Something like Euler's Disk https://www.real-world-physics-problems.com/eulers-disk.html or the Firefly series. I binge watched Firefly after a reference on TBBT.

I find I have to look up something nearly every week and it isn't always scientific. Perhaps I'm wrong in assuming all other serious fans look up things that are obscure or want to refresh their memories. I'm glad someone does. The Euler's disk I looked up too. Also I've more than once given Star Wars a try but got no further than half an hour.

Sheldon had got up early to watch the Nobel presentation. He was telling the king that the prize he was handing over was undeserved and he should be careful not to get robbed himself. Trouble was, Sheldon called him 'Olaf' so I found myself Nectar-searching what that was all about since the Scandinavian monarchs had different names so far as I knew.  I remember King Olaf at the Cenotaph every year when I was younger, often on the balconies there and at Buckingham palace for royal events. He died when Sheldon was about eleven. Sheldon, despite his Nobelamania obviously didn't know everything.

Edited April 7, 2019 by joyceraye

[shell]

26 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

This isn't pointed at anyone here but I've had to deal with a few people in my life who thought they were smarter and better than anyone else. My wife and I raised are daughters not to be like that
Luckily for me in the last 20 years I get to decide who I work for and I definitely have a long talk with a person before I agree to do anything. Life is to short to put up with that kind of thing and yet I find a show I really liked from the beginning and tptb decide an a**hole should be the hero.
Maybe I'm just getting old and times have changed but I don't understand why anyone would put up with that kind of behavior

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Everyone has had to deal with difficult people but that's not the point It's a comedy (pretend) (not to be taken seriously) and when a difficult person achieves strides in being better and shows concern for others even though they're barely capable makes for a good show. Shit has to happen to make it all worth watching. 

[chucky]

6 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Sheldon, despite his Nobelamania obviously didn't know everything.

Sooooo trueeee!

[veejay]

41 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

This isn't pointed at anyone here but I've had to deal with a few people in my life who thought they were smarter and better than anyone else. My wife and I raised are daughters not to be like that
Luckily for me in the last 20 years I get to decide who I work for and I definitely have a long talk with a person before I agree to do anything. Life is to short to put up with that kind of thing and yet I find a show I really liked from the beginning and tptb decide an a**hole should be the hero.
Maybe I'm just getting old and times have changed but I don't understand why anyone would put up with that kind of behavior

That's all. 🙂

[joyceraye]

44 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

a**hole should be the hero.
Maybe I'm just getting old and times have changed but I don't understand why anyone would put up with that kind of behavior

Times have changed. Something has brought out all sorts of behaviour that we hardly even knew about pre-internet. It's good deeds now that draw headlines.

People around him put up with Sheldon because they are intelligent and educated enough to perceive  that Sheldon has problems as well as being one. Even they have their limits though.  Others of his peers, such as Mrs Davies and the laureates we met in 12x18, think he should jolly well control his behaviour a bit more and they don't put up with it more than they have to. Perhaps in the academic world Sheldons are more common than in the rest of society so that 'normal' people in that environment learn to accept them.

[legacy99]

Everyone has had to deal with difficult people but that's not the point It's a comedy (pretend) (not to be taken seriously) and when a difficult person achieves strides in being better and shows concern for others even though they're barely capable makes for a good show. Shit has to happen to make it all worth watching. 

Actually I thought the show was very funny until it was decided that sheldon should grow up and all rhe characters decided sheldon is a great friend now I consider it more soap opera than a comedy

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[Sah]

4 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

Actually I thought the show was very funny until it was decided that sheldon should grow up and all rhe characters decided sheldon is a great friend now I consider it more soap opera than a comedy

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People grow, change and learn as they get older...

Double edge sword. People will hate how he used to be or hate that he has become more humanized with age and love...

Kind of sad. Anyway you slice it he will be either hated or misunderstood or both. He will never be boring tho...

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[shell]

4 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

Actually I thought the show was very funny until it was decided that sheldon should grow up and all rhe characters decided sheldon is a great friend now I consider it more soap opera than a comedy

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That is funny-- I think that's what happens to long playing shows--the characters have to grow changing the dynamics of the show and why it was popular and good in the first place.

It's either going to get old from the same behaviors over and over again or it's gotta change but not always for the best

[legacy99]

People grow, change and learn as they get older...
Double edge sword. People will hate how he used to be or hate that he has become more humanized with age and love...
Kind of sad. Anyway you slice it he will be either hated or misunderstood or both. He will never be boring tho...

I guess we'll just have to disagree on the boring part

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That is funny-- I think that's what happens to long playing shows--the characters have to grow changing the dynamics of the show and why it was popular and good in the first place.
It's either going to get old from the same behaviors over and over again or it's gotta change but not always for the best

I actually enjoyed sheldon in the early seasons not so much now

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[chucky]

4 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

I guess we'll just have to disagree on the boring part

He is boring since he has his life on a schedule. There's no room for spontaneity! 

[Sah]

4 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

I guess we'll just have to disagree on the boring part

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I actually enjoyed sheldon in the early seasons not so much now

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I like early season Sheldon as well. I enjoyed his interactions with Penny. Those were classic. I enjoyed the one where Penny slipped and fell and he had to drive her to the ER. Such great chemistry. Also, the one where she becomes obsessed with video games...

[shell]

18 minutes ago, Sah said:

People grow, change and learn as they get older...

Double edge sword. People will hate how he used to be or hate that he has become more humanized with age and love...

Kind of sad. Anyway you slice it he will be either hated or misunderstood or both. He will never be boring tho...

So true 

[chucky]

Just now, shell said:

So true 

Don't think so!

[shell]

2 minutes ago, Sah said:

I like early season Sheldon as well. I enjoyed his interactions with Penny. Those were classic. I enjoyed the one where Penny slipped and fell and he had to drive her to the ER. Such great chemistry. Also, the one where she becomes obsessed with video games...

Pantie pinata is a good one, too. 

[Sah]

6 minutes ago, shell said:

Pantie pinata is a good one, too. 

That was a good one!. Penny knew exactly how to make him annoyed. Penny calling his mom at the end always made me laugh. It worked though. He got them back, folded them and everything. Well played Penny. Well played!

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[shell]

1 minute ago, Sah said:

That was a good one!. Penny knew exactly how to make him annoyed. Penny calling his mom at the end always made me laugh. It worked though. He got them back, folded them and everything. Well played Penny. Well played!

I know I love the ending! It changed their relationship and Sheldon gained respect for her

[hokie3457]

3 hours ago, Itwasdestined said:

I love them all. Over the last 12 seasons, they made laugh, cry, scream, shrug my shoulders, roll my eyes, clap my hands, cheer, shake my fist, squeal with delight, roar in anger, get frustrated, be filled with joy.

I’m a BBT Fanatic first, identify with Lenny next but get compared to Sheldon most by friends and family ( but without his worst extremes as I could not exist in real life if those traits were possible)

I recognise that Raj is very much a douchebag but still laugh at his comic relief role and been saddened by his character stalling often. I cringed at much of Howard’s early efforts but grew to acknowledge that his best moments were truly some of the show’s highlights.

I cheered for the Lenny relationship from the moment it began and drew parallels to my life. Early Penny was eye catching but I grew intrigued with her beyond her looks and rode the roller coaster of her troubled life from start to finish. I sided with Leonard but was still disappointed when he failed to live up to the standards I felt he set.

Sheldon drew me into the show deeply with his quirks that others saw in me and I laughed at them for years, accepting the absurdity of his behaviour as a byproduct of the comedy he delivered. I’ve never grown tired of the character himself, just the overuse of him by the writers to the detriment of others’ development and stories.

As part of both Howardette and “the girls” Bernadette’s humour and feistiness grew on me and her and Howard’s moments were often scene stealers to me. And yet I am saddened by the nasty edge the writers have given her in recent seasons.

Amy has always been a hard one to categorise for me. As an individual she both amuses and infuriates. As part of Shamy I’ve felt the same. But I’ve always enjoyed that she’s part of the show.

Stuart has deserved to be treated better than he has, Wil, Kripke, the parents have been great foils ( not sure we needed Bert!).

On here I’ve complained when I felt it necessary but generally just enjoyed the ride, bumpy though it’s been. I’ve watched bemused generally as the shipping wars have ebbed and flowed. I’ve cringed at the constant rehashed arguments but accepted them as part of being in an online community of varied backgrounds, biases, maturities and writing skills. But I’ve always been amazed at the passion and knowledge, the humour and serious intent inherent in the discussions that take place.

As the show draws to the end I live in genuine hope that everyone here gets something at the end that brings them some joy because it truly saddens me when this place descends into a gloom and doom zone. The show has given us a lot. Sometimes we forget that when we hit a wall. Here’s to hope.


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Leave it to you @Itwasdestined to put something into words so perfectly.  Twelve years is a long time to feel for and to live with characters of a sitcom inhabiting your mind and imagination. Yet twelve years can in some ways be not enough. I’m dreading the vacuum that comes after 12.24. We’ll always have the collected episodes, but the new will have ended. I also am not looking forward to what happens here. I’m sure many of us will stay for a while past the fade to black but, invariably we will all begin to drift away. Because of TBBT, I have forged friendships with folks both my age and quite a bit younger than I (especially through Twitter here at the Forum and in fanfiction) that I treasure and hope that will last long after May 23. Thanks so much for your post @Itwasdestined . So well said.

[Mario D.]

3 hours ago, Itwasdestined said:

I love them all. Over the last 12 seasons, they made laugh, cry, scream, shrug my shoulders, roll my eyes, clap my hands, cheer, shake my fist, squeal with delight, roar in anger, get frustrated, be filled with joy.

I’m a BBT Fanatic first, identify with Lenny next but get compared to Sheldon most by friends and family ( but without his worst extremes as I could not exist in real life if those traits were possible)

I recognise that Raj is very much a douchebag but still laugh at his comic relief role and been saddened by his character stalling often. I cringed at much of Howard’s early efforts but grew to acknowledge that his best moments were truly some of the show’s highlights.

I cheered for the Lenny relationship from the moment it began and drew parallels to my life. Early Penny was eye catching but I grew intrigued with her beyond her looks and rode the roller coaster of her troubled life from start to finish. I sided with Leonard but was still disappointed when he failed to live up to the standards I felt he set.

Sheldon drew me into the show deeply with his quirks that others saw in me and I laughed at them for years, accepting the absurdity of his behaviour as a byproduct of the comedy he delivered. I’ve never grown tired of the character himself, just the overuse of him by the writers to the detriment of others’ development and stories.

As part of both Howardette and “the girls” Bernadette’s humour and feistiness grew on me and her and Howard’s moments were often scene stealers to me. And yet I am saddened by the nasty edge the writers have given her in recent seasons.

Amy has always been a hard one to categorise for me. As an individual she both amuses and infuriates. As part of Shamy I’ve felt the same. But I’ve always enjoyed that she’s part of the show.

Stuart has deserved to be treated better than he has, Wil, Kripke, the parents have been great foils ( not sure we needed Bert!).

On here I’ve complained when I felt it necessary but generally just enjoyed the ride, bumpy though it’s been. I’ve watched bemused generally as the shipping wars have ebbed and flowed. I’ve cringed at the constant rehashed arguments but accepted them as part of being in an online community of varied backgrounds, biases, maturities and writing skills. But I’ve always been amazed at the passion and knowledge, the humour and serious intent inherent in the discussions that take place.

As the show draws to the end I live in genuine hope that everyone here gets something at the end that brings them some joy because it truly saddens me when this place descends into a gloom and doom zone. The show has given us a lot. Sometimes we forget that when we hit a wall. Here’s to hope.


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An insightful and thoughtful analysis and beautifully written.......my compliments to you

[chucky]

55 minutes ago, Sah said:

Penny calling his mom at the end always made me laugh. It worked though. He got them back,

With a little help from Leonard!

[Swedish Chef]

17 hours ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

If they show The King of Sweden it would be an actor playing him.  I think most could care less about the King of Sweden and some people don't even know Sweden has a monarchy. 

My post was just a joke , not to be taken seriously

[chucky]

4 hours ago, Itwasdestined said:

I love them all. Over the last 12 seasons, they made laugh, cry, scream, shrug my shoulders, roll my eyes, clap my hands, cheer, shake my fist, squeal with delight, roar in anger, get frustrated, be filled with joy.

I’m a BBT Fanatic first, identify with Lenny next but get compared to Sheldon most by friends and family ( but without his worst extremes as I could not exist in real life if those traits were possible)

I recognise that Raj is very much a douchebag but still laugh at his comic relief role and been saddened by his character stalling often. I cringed at much of Howard’s early efforts but grew to acknowledge that his best moments were truly some of the show’s highlights.

I cheered for the Lenny relationship from the moment it began and drew parallels to my life. Early Penny was eye catching but I grew intrigued with her beyond her looks and rode the roller coaster of her troubled life from start to finish. I sided with Leonard but was still disappointed when he failed to live up to the standards I felt he set.

Sheldon drew me into the show deeply with his quirks that others saw in me and I laughed at them for years, accepting the absurdity of his behaviour as a byproduct of the comedy he delivered. I’ve never grown tired of the character himself, just the overuse of him by the writers to the detriment of others’ development and stories.

As part of both Howardette and “the girls” Bernadette’s humour and feistiness grew on me and her and Howard’s moments were often scene stealers to me. And yet I am saddened by the nasty edge the writers have given her in recent seasons.

Amy has always been a hard one to categorise for me. As an individual she both amuses and infuriates. As part of Shamy I’ve felt the same. But I’ve always enjoyed that she’s part of the show.

Stuart has deserved to be treated better than he has, Wil, Kripke, the parents have been great foils ( not sure we needed Bert!).

On here I’ve complained when I felt it necessary but generally just enjoyed the ride, bumpy though it’s been. I’ve watched bemused generally as the shipping wars have ebbed and flowed. I’ve cringed at the constant rehashed arguments but accepted them as part of being in an online community of varied backgrounds, biases, maturities and writing skills. But I’ve always been amazed at the passion and knowledge, the humour and serious intent inherent in the discussions that take place.

As the show draws to the end I live in genuine hope that everyone here gets something at the end that brings them some joy because it truly saddens me when this place descends into a gloom and doom zone. The show has given us a lot. Sometimes we forget that when we hit a wall. Here’s to hope.


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As Lawrence Welk used to say, "Wonderful, Wonderful!  

[joyceraye]

21 minutes ago, shell said:

That is funny-- I think that's what happens to long playing shows--the characters have to grow changing the dynamics of the show and why it was popular and good in the first place.

It's either going to get old from the same behaviors over and over again or it's gotta change but not always for the best

Shell's right. In this case the actors aged by more than a decade and so the characters had to age - or in some ways grow up - with them. Leonard changed the least, it seemed to me. They were all child-like in many ways to begin with and over the years, since it wasn't an animated show, they needed to be moved on. I've liked them better as time has gone on.

Every now and again, among  the muddles and anachronisms and inconsistencies, a writer troubles to give us some worthwhile insight into character and that's good because we get something to talk about. 

We were slowly given the information that Sheldon's combination of nature and nurture, for instance, wasn't always favourable for him. Even without YS it was clear he'd not had much opportunity to find a peer group in his formative years. Most of any intellectual equals he had were not in his own age group. That puts a boy on the defensive. The fighting Texan instinct is still in him, nevertheless, at least from what he says. Sheldon's only weapon then was disdain and it persisted into adulthood. He found a handy coping tool in squashing emotions. Mix all that with a personality that's probably somewhere on the autistic spectrum and you find it's going to take him a long time to identify old habits for what they are - such as when a shock to his system got him to listen to Leonard about reality v fiction in the Spockumentary  episode - and learn to discard them. But he can do it, at least as far as he wants to. He couldn't otherwise have got a wife so he made the effort.

The reason for Leonard's insecurities and desire for approval is obvious when we see the mother they wrote for him, but he doesn't let it become an excuse for being a pain in the neck.