[Spoilers] Season 12 Discussion Thread

[vonmar]

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[Capt. Hilts]

8 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

There are so many ancillary characters we have come to love/hate/enjoy to see.  That we may have seen the last of Wil Wheaton, Professor Protron/Arthur Jefferies, Mr. & Mrs. Fowler, Raj's parents...it is all a little bit sad and heart breaking.  How wonderful is it, btw, that we have been treated to Joshua Malina as President Siebert in several episodes this season?? Mayim just posted something on her Gronk Nation blog regarding cleaning out her dressing room.  Still 34 days to go.  I'm not sure how I'm going to handle it.... 

I really miss Raj's parents.

They were great.  The Fowlers are great.

[Mario D.]

1 hour ago, SRAM said:

The kind of chemistry you are talking about is the same kind of chemistry Abbot and Costello had, or Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin, it is about that they play well off each other.  What people are mostly referring to in this forum is the chemistry between Leonard and Penny as a couple (they also play well off each other, too), that couple chemistry does not exist between Sheldon and Penny, it never did, the actors even have confirmed that.  I sometimes even question the chemistry between Amy and Sheldon because I don’t think putting Sheldon in a male/female relationship was a good idea and his character, as written, is just as disrespectful to women as he is to his friends.  I really think one of the big mistakes in the show was to define Sheldon’s sexuality, he should have remained unattached with little interludes with women like he had with Martha and Nowinski through the show.  I liked the Amy character and I think she may have worked with Raj better than Sheldon in the long run, Sheldon has always been the odd man out and he should have remained that way till the end, not Raj, doing it with Raj is just sad.

True  Penny and Leonard's chemistry is wonderful to watch and their history and friendship  off screen brings that on screen.  Sheldon and Penny best scenes were adversarial. When Sheldon's condescenion was at its height and Penny's exasperation at the limit.  (The Panty Pinata comes to mind)

[vonmar]

4 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

True  Penny and Leonard's chemistry is wonderful to watch and their history and friendship  off screen brings that on screen.  Sheldon and Penny best scenes were adversarial. When Sheldon's condescenion was at its height and Penny's exasperation at the limit.  (The Panty Pinata comes to mind)

Adversarial is funny.  

The Panty Pinata is one of my favorite episodes.  

[chucky]

2 hours ago, bfm said:

@hokie3457 I feel like we should send someone to check on you on May 19

As do I!  

2 hours ago, SRAM said:

The kind of chemistry you are talking about is the same kind of chemistry Abbot and Costello had, or Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin, it is about that they play well off each other.  What people are mostly referring to in this forum is the chemistry between Leonard and Penny as a couple (they also play well off each other, too), that couple chemistry does not exist between Sheldon and Penny, it never did, the actors even have confirmed that.  I sometimes even question the chemistry between Amy and Sheldon because I don’t think putting Sheldon in a male/female relationship was a good idea and his character, as written, is just as disrespectful to women as he is to his friends.  I really think one of the big mistakes in the show was to define Sheldon’s sexuality, he should have remained unattached with little interludes with women like he had with Martha and Nowinski through the show.  I liked the Amy character and I think she may have worked with Raj better than Sheldon in the long run, Sheldon has always been the odd man out and he should have remained that way till the end, not Raj, doing it with Raj is just sad.

I agree totally

[shell]

29 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Adversarial is funny.  

The Panty Pinata is one of my favorite episodes.  

Mine too They were gold together

39 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

True  Penny and Leonard's chemistry is wonderful to watch and their history and friendship  off screen brings that on screen.  

Gotta admit, Kaley and Jim seem pretty close, too off screen Whenever there is a cast photo, a majority of the time Kaley is all over Jim 

[joyceraye]

6 hours ago, Swedish Chef said:

How can that be a surprise ?? We know from YS that they will have babies.

Indeed it would be surprising if they didn't. They discussed it even before their first date and mentioned it from time to time over the years right up to the latest episode.

[chucky]

3 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

It’s been so long! My last update was in 2015. Those days are over I fear! 😉

Hey, you gotta do something with "Leonard and Penny, A Different Introduction".   PLEASE!

5 hours ago, shell said:

I love Kaley as a person--big heart, immense love for animals and love the fact she adopts rescues and supports the cause, seems to have a good sense of humor--nice person. The best Penny I felt was when she was paired with Sheldon--their stories were hysterical, timing superb, best banter, good chemistry...As for Lenny I think they're cute and like them..but I don't think their acting is anything wonderful and I can't say I get wicked excited over their scenes.  I do feel sorry for Leonard at times, just can't say I feel there is a strong bond between them. JMO

Anything in bold, I completely disagree with.

Edited April 13, 2019 by chucky

[Sah]

7 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Indeed it would be surprising if they didn't. They discussed it even before their first date and mentioned it from time to time over the years right up to the latest episode.

Yes, they both have always talked about having children. Would be shocked if they didn't. But according to YS they do. I will go with that...

[shell]

12 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Indeed it would be surprising if they didn't. They discussed it even before their first date and mentioned it from time to time over the years right up to the latest episode.

I suppose the people who don't watch YS would be surprised

[Sah]

26 minutes ago, shell said:

Mine too They were gold together

Gotta admit, Kaley and Jim seem pretty close, too off screen Whenever there is a cast photo, a majority of the time Kaley is all over Jim 

They do seem like they are great friends in real life...Jim and Mayim as well. Workplace goals...

[chucky]

41 minutes ago, Sah said:

They do seem like they are great friends in real life...Jim and Mayim as well. Workplace goals...

The whole cast are friends in real life

1 hour ago, shell said:

a majority of the time Kaley is all over Jim 

I don't think so!

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

1 hour ago, Sah said:

They do seem like they are great friends in real life...Jim and Mayim as well. Workplace goals...

 

19 minutes ago, chucky said:

The whole cast are friends in real life

They are all good Friends off camera.  You can always tell when they do Group Interviews. 

During it 12 years runn The Big Bang Theory was/has never been plagued by stories or rumors  of  backstage drama or feuds like so many shows (some true) throughout history have. Although there  were the tabloids stories several years ago that Kaley and Mayim did not get along very well but I took them with a grain of salt. I think they seem to get along just fine. I mean maybe they probably aren't having slumber parties every weekend but I think they do at least on cordial terms get along well. 

Whenever you get a TV Show that has 2 or more  women on it, there are always stories it seem that leak  to the press that  the  women  on the show don't get along, are feuding,  can't stand each other or be in the same room together. Whether true or not. 

Edited April 13, 2019 by MTBigBangTheoryFan

[Kathy2611]

8 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

Everybody seems to expect an exciting, upbeat finale. Maybe so (in which case Penny's birthday would be good) but is that the usual arrangement? I realise that I can't remember the final eps of Cheers or Frasier or Friends. On the other hand, some British and Irish sitcoms I do remember. Drop the Dead Donkey  was one of the funniest ever, IMO. Set in a TV news company, it ended with the parent company closing it down. The characters as I remember mostly had to take demeaning jobs either outside TV or on low-grade chatshows, while the company's director had a breakdown. Ballykissangel ended with the heroine (played by Dervla Kirwan) electrocuted while trying to fix the power supply in her pub (I gather a show of the same name staggered on with mnone of the main characters). Goodnight Sweetheart ended with the time-travelling hero trapped 50 years in the past. None particularly upbeat.

Why would the final revolve around Penny’s birthday?  The timeline usually follows ours and her birthday is Dec. 2nd.  

 

7 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

   I still want to squish this bug!!!!   

Yes....me too.  When it first showed up, I kept smacking my iPad.  

[chucky]

1 hour ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

 

They are all good Friends off camera.  You can always tell when they do Group Interviews. 

During it 12 years runn The Big Bang Theory was/has never been plagued by stories or rumors  of  backstage drama or feuds like so many shows (some true) throughout history have. Although there  were the tabloids stories several years ago that Kaley and Mayim did not get along very well but I took them with a grain of salt. I think they seem to get along just fine. I mean maybe they probably aren't having slumber parties every weekend but I think they do at least on cordial terms get along well. 

Whenever you get a TV Show that has 2 or more  women on it, there are always stories it seem that leak  to the press that  the  women  on the show don't get along, are feuding,  can't stand each other or be in the same room together. Whether true or not. 

 Totally agreed!  

[3ku11]

1 hour ago, Kathy2611 said:

Why would the final revolve around Penny’s birthday?  The timeline usually follows ours and her birthday is Dec. 2nd.  

 

Yes....me too.  When it first showed up, I kept smacking my iPad.  

Same way the 200th episode shoulden't of revolved around Sheldons Birthday. But it did. 

As for SP Ugh. In any case I agree they were better as Adversarial's. I Think since they became Friends, you have lost alot of the comedy.  And one of the best episodes was Panty Pinata. Johnny was brilliant in that episode too though. Way he just played mediator was hillarous. But I Think this particular topic has been beaten to death over the past 12 years. 

Edited April 13, 2019 by 3ku11

[April]

5 hours ago, shell said:

Gotta admit, Kaley and Jim seem pretty close, too off screen Whenever there is a cast photo, a majority of the time Kaley is all over Jim 

So much so that back in the day some ppl would ship them in real life (yeah, that... yikes) - ironically all the while Jim is gay and Kaley was in a relationship with Johnny. lol

Edited April 13, 2019 by April

[chucky]

43 minutes ago, April said:

So much so that back in the day some ppl would ship them in real life (yeah, that... yikes) - ironically all the while Jim is gay and Kaley was in a relationship with Johnny. lol

interesting

[shell]

5 hours ago, April said:

So much so that back in the day some ppl would ship them in real life (yeah, that... yikes) - ironically all the while Jim is gay and Kaley was in a relationship with Johnny. lol

Yes, they were 'pitched the Shenny' often Even by interviewers

7 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Same way the 200th episode shoulden't of revolved around Sheldons Birthday. But it did. 

 

I heard the writers say it gave them an excuse to bring in a lot of celebrities--Adam West, Will Wheaton, Beverly, Kripke, Sara Gilbert... 

[Die Zimtzicke]

15 hours ago, shell said:

I love Kaley as a person--big heart, immense love for animals and love the fact she adopts rescues and supports the cause, seems to have a good sense of humor--nice person. The best Penny I felt was when she was paired with Sheldon--their stories were hysterical, timing superb, best banter, good chemistry...As for Lenny I think they're cute and like them..but I don't think their acting is anything wonderful and I can't say I get wicked excited over their scenes.  I do feel sorry for Leonard at times, just can't say I feel there is a strong bond between them. JMO

That is a perfect resume of how I feel. They ruined a lot for me when she and Sheldon became friends and they quit that wicked banter. And while Kaley is a perfectly adequate sitcom actress, I don't see greatness there. Success, of course, obviously, but not greatness.

[chucky]

11 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

while Kaley is a perfectly adequate sitcom actress, I don't see greatness there. Success, of course, obviously, but not greatness.

Well, as usual lately, we disagree. Kaley is a marvelous actress.

[JohnPhD]

15 hours ago, shell said:

I The best Penny I felt was  when she was paired with Sheldon--their stories were hysterical, timing superb, best banter, good chemistry.

Yes that was a brilliantly written and acted relationship - and all the more powerful, altho' there was no sexual element, for being between a man and woman - most of the great adverserial partnerships in comedy are 2 men.  With all the conflicts, by season 3 at the latest I felt they had come to love each other (in a non-erotic way, I repeat), and the frequent conflicts made their occasional displays of affection (as in the Adhesive Duck Deficiency or the ep where Penny gave Sheldon the napkin his fravourite actor had used) quite touching. It was in fact Peny who first brought out any human feelings in Sheldon.

[shell]

1 minute ago, JohnPhD said:

Yes that was a brilliantly written and acted relationship - and all the more powerful, altho' there was no sexual element, for being between a man and woman - most of the great adverserial partnerships in comedy are 2 men.  With all the conflicts, by season 3 at the latest I felt they had come to love each other (in a non-erotic way, I repeat), and the frequent conflicts made their occasional displays of affection (as in the Adhesive Duck Deficiency or the ep where Penny gave Sheldon the napkin his fravourite actor had used) quite touching. It was in fact Peny who first brought out any human feelings in Sheldon.

To be clear, I never felt or said they had any sexual tension between them--people can still have good chemistry w/o the attraction for another.  They did have love for another, Penny had voiced that throughout the show--she may have said she loved Sheldon before she told Leonard, even-- but their love was a brotherly-sisterly one. And, yes, I agree Penny's relationship with Sheldon was definitely an eye opener for him--it began his growth.

[JohnPhD]

14 hours ago, SRAM said:

  I sometimes even question the chemistry between Amy and Sheldon because I don’t think putting Sheldon in a male/female relationship was a good idea and his character, as written, is just as disrespectful to women as he is to his friends.  I really think one of the big mistakes in the show was to define Sheldon’s sexuality, he should have remained unattached with little interludes with women like he had with Martha and Nowinski through the show.  I liked the Amy character and I think she may have worked with Raj better than Sheldon in the long run, Sheldon has always been the odd man out and he should have remained that way till the end, not Raj, doing it with Raj is just sad.

Yes, totally agree: you've nailed something I've tried to express in the past.

They also should never have tried to make Amy into a romantic heroine. Perhaps that change of character is impossible to pull off, and it certainly doesn't work here. When the writers play to MB's strengths - as in 1217 Scheming Amy - it can be very funny. But only KC should be the leading lady.

[Jonny]

Hero, Heroine why does there need to be one?

I think they have all done some very courageous things and gone out of their way to help others. But heroes?

No, I save the hero label for those that have in my eyes gone well above and beyond, people who have saved lives perhaps even at the risk of their own.