[Spoilers] Season 12 Discussion Thread

[chucky]

3 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

IMO Lenny plots don't add anything I am interested in watching. I always found Penny as a foil for Sheldon more interesting. 

Good for you! But, I disagree, respectfully! 

Edited August 21, 2018 by chucky

[Burberry]

20 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

IMO Lenny plots don't add anything I am interested in watching. I always found Penny as a foil for Sheldon more interesting. 

I can agree it is not about the couples and shipping. it is about the theme of the show “The Big Bang Theory” is about nerds not shipping and couples, shipping is just a small part of the show 

Edited August 21, 2018 by Burberry

[bfm]

40 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

From the showrunners point of view why shouldn't they do more Shamy? This is how I think THEY see it...the ratings are high for TBBT and YS. The advertisers for both are paying top dollar. To THEM everything is going great. The show's facebook page lavishes them with praise. Why should they worry about a few fans who don't agree is probably how they feel.  I'm not getting into whether or not that's fair. But I absolutely think it's how they feel.

Someone does or they wouldn't have the ratings, advertising dollars and facebook comments they do, as I just said.  You can't please everyone all the time.

I felt like that when I saw the robot ep recently where Penny screams at Howard that he is pathetic and no woman will ever flirt with him and he will grow old and die alone. Yes, he was being an ass, which he did frequently back then, but once again I found it so over the top vicious I was appalled.

Regarding Facebook comments - I see many complaints there so I don't know what you're talking about.

Regarding Penny's outburst at Howard - I saw it as a result of an accumulative effect. She took it many many times without to much of a response until she was sick of it. She didn't consider her words carefully then and with the way Howard behaved she didn't think of him as vulnerable or insecure. 

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

7 minutes ago, Burberry said:

I can agree it is not about the couples and shipping. it is about the theme of the show “The Big Bang Theory” is about nerds not shipping and couples

That what the show really use to be about though Lenny relationship was always part of it  (Kind of like Cheers. It was about a bunch of people hanging out in a bar but people turned in to see what was going on with Sam and Diane in those early years more then other bar characters itself)  but that was the original premise. Bernadette and Amy coming   onto the show changed everything and ratings reached new highs. The Producers and Writers went more  mainstream and clinche.  

Edited August 21, 2018 by MTBigBangTheoryFan

[chucky]

3 minutes ago, Burberry said:

I can agree it is not about the couples and shipping. it is about the theme of the show “The Big Bang Theory” is about nerds not shipping and couples

Not any more! Now a days it's about Shamy!

[Tonstar17]

I felt like that when I saw the robot ep recently where Penny screams at Howard that he is pathetic and no woman will ever flirt with him and he will grow old and die alone. Yes, he was being an ass, which he did frequently back then, but once again I found it so over the top vicious I was appalled.

I totally disagree. The show runners shoved sheldon/Shamy down our throats for over 4 years whether we liked it or not. It called forced advertising. It's like an advert, show it enough times on tv, it will sell more than the ones that are shown less. On tbbt Facebook page, there is nothing to talk about apart from Sheldon/Shamy adventures and howadette a bit because of the pregnancy. As for the others, nothing to talk about as they have no stories to tell. I think the show would still be going strong to S12 as an esembled show. But hey what do i know. There are a lot of people that are sick of the show and Sheldon. The majority don't complain because they have sourced out tptb game plan and know their opinion is mute, so have moved on to better things. The ones that are left just watch hoping for changes. So yeah, I can't see where you are coming from with your comment about the Sheldon Show is what is keeping the show going.

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IMO Lenny plots don't add anything I am interested in watching. I always found Penny as a foil for Sheldon more interesting. 

Ofcouse, they are not shamy who are so interesting. I rather watch paint dry.

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[chucky]

2 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

I totally disagree. The show runners shoved sheldon/Shamy down our throats for over 4 years whether we liked it or not. It called forced advertising. It's like an advert, show it enough times on tv, it will sell more than the ones that are shown less. On tbbt Facebook page, there is nothing to talk about apart from Sheldon/Shamy adventures and howadette a bit because of the pregnancy. As for the others, nothing to talk about as they have no stories to tell. I think the show would still be going strong to S12 as an esembled show. But hey what do i know. There are a lot of people that are sick of the show and Sheldon. The majority don't complain because they have sourced out tptb game plan and know their opinion is mute, so have moved on to better things. The ones that are left just watch hoping for changes. So yeah, I can't see where you are coming from with your comment about the Sheldon Show is what is keeping the show going.

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I couldn't agree more.

[Sah]

5 hours ago, BigBang15 said:

I wish we were back in time when the fans liked the show.

Huh. They must be doing something fans like. It is still highly rated. If fans didn't like the show why would they watch week after week? If fans disliked the show I asume they stop watching and show goes off the air. 

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

4 minutes ago, bfm said:

Regarding Facebook comments - I see many complaints there so I don't know what you're talking about.

Regarding Penny's outburst at Howard - I saw it as a result of an accumulative effect. She took it many many times without to much of a response until she was sick of it. She didn't consider her words carefully then and with the way Howard behaved she didn't think of him as vulnerable or insecure. 

I am in a few TBBT Groups and during last season I ask people how they felt about the show currently and many people complain about the current direction of the show saying there was way too much focus on Shamy and very little on Lenny More people were dissatisfied with where the show was  going  then those who were satisfied 

1 minute ago, Sah said:

Huh. They must be doing something fans like. It is still highly rated. If fans didn't like the show why would they watch week after week? If fans disliked the show I asume they stop watching and show goes off the air. 

Ratings doesn't always means quality.   Lot of people have TV on for "background noise" while they do other things. I wouldn't way everyone who watches  every show are fans. 

[Tonstar17]

Huh. They must be doing something fans like. It is still highly rated. If fans didn't like the show why would they watch week after week? If fans disliked the show I asume they stop watching and show goes off the air. 

Imo the fans who keep the show going now are those who watch because it on and not all are happy with the direction and the new fans who started watching from S6 and probably never watch the earlier seasons.

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I can agree it is not about the couples and shipping. it is about the theme of the show “The Big Bang Theory” is about nerds not shipping and couples, shipping is just a small part of the show 

Sorry to disappoint you. The science and the nerds are long gone. They are all normal now. Only difference is Sheldon is still a crazy weirdo.

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[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

Yes but Season 11 of TBBT  is still better then any sitcom on the air today. Although 'Mom' is a pretty funny show I think and it hasn't turned dirty like some of Chuck Lorre other shows have.... yet anyway  Not saying it the best show but for the current era of aTV it a good decent show. 

[chucky]

1 minute ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Yes but Season 11 of TBBT  is still better then any sitcom on the air today. Although 'Mom' is a very funny show and it hasn't turned dirty like some of Chuck Lorre other shows have. 

TBBT was the best when it was an ensemble show. Now it's Jim and Mayim and 5 recurring guests. The only reason Mayim is mentioned with Jim is that her character is linked to Jim's character. To say it's better than any other sitcom on today is a hollow statement as the competition is sub par!

[Sah]

I for one am a proud fan who still enjoys the show after 11 seasons. The show still me happy, still makes smile and still makes me laugh. I have thoroughly enjoyed watching the characters grow from nerds into fuctional adults with working and loving relationships. Still my favorite tv show by far. I take it for what it is. A wonderful slice of happiness to my TV schedule. 

[3ku11]

Well of course you still love the show if your a major Shamy fanatic. The shows been nothing but focused on them since S8. So its easy to still have a ton of affection for the show. For everyone else whos more interested in the other characters. OR the original premise. Most have felt like the show has abandoned some part of the audience. But that ship has sailed a long time ago.

TBBT was always about rellationships since the pilot. So its not a new thing. Friendships, Relationship with Science, Romantically. TBH it stopped being purley a Geeky show. Once Lenny became a couple in 3x01. 

And tbh Ratings are subjective. Not always a quantitive reflection of actual quality. The highest rated season in terms of demo. Was S3. 

But well see how this season pans out. Hopefully all fans are satisfied. 

[Tonstar17]

 

26 minutes ago, Sah said:

I for one am a proud fan who still enjoys the show after 11 seasons. The show still me happy, still makes smile and still makes me laugh. I have thoroughly enjoyed watching the characters grow from nerds into fuctional adults with working and loving relationships. Still my favorite tv show by far. I take it for what it is. A wonderful slice of happiness to my TV schedule. 

 

I'm glad you still enjoy the show, but with the way the 5 others characters are treated, with no stories. I guess that why i do not enjoy the show anymore.

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[chucky]

10 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

 

 

I'm glad you still enjoy the show, but with the way the 5 others characters are treated, with no stories. I guess that why i do not enjoy the show anymore.

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Totally agreed!

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

12 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

 

 

I'm glad you still enjoy the show, but I find it hard to believe you are happy with the way the 5 others characters are treated, with no stories. I guess that why i do not enjoy the show anymore.

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I agree 100% It not to say that Shamy should have no storylines at all or that they should be written off the show or downgraded  background recurring guest stars. I don't mind that the show has storylines about them as they are apart of the show cast but equal amount of screentime and storylines for all the characters and couples would be nice especially Lenny.  That how it use to be back in Season 6 when it was more of a ensemble cast. There been way to much focus on Shamy the last couple seasons. Too many Episodes where they have the A-Plot or the main plot. 

Edited August 21, 2018 by MTBigBangTheoryFan

[djsurrey]

1 hour ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

I am in a few TBBT Groups and during last season I ask people how they felt about the show currently and many people complain about the current direction of the show saying there was way too much focus on Shamy and very little on Lenny More people were dissatisfied with where the show was  going  then those who were satisfied 

I don't know that means much. Any thing or anyone that has acclaim also has detractors.

[bfm]

1 hour ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Yes but Season 11 of TBBT  is still better then any sitcom on the air today. Although 'Mom' is a pretty funny show I think and it hasn't turned dirty like some of Chuck Lorre other shows have.... yet anyway  Not saying it the best show but for the current era of aTV it a good decent show. 

Sorry but I have to disagree with this. I really like TBBT, and I'm on a TBBT forum and read and write TBBT fanfiction, but I personally think "The Good Place" and "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend" are better (at current time). TBBT, however, can be quite easily watched out of order. One does not have to watch previous episodes, even seasons, to enjoy a later one.

Edited August 21, 2018 by bfm

[Die Zimtzicke]

2 hours ago, djsurrey said:

IMO Lenny plots don't add anything I am interested in watching. I always found Penny as a foil for Sheldon more interesting.

I totally agree. It was everyone's reactions to Sheldon that hooked me on the show. Jim's portrayal of Sheldon is what made the show unique.

[BigBang15]

4 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Not me. Whenever they show early episodes in the TBBT slot now, I switch the TV off. I used to like them but now my reaction is, 'I don't want to know what nonsense my favourite characters got up to when they were young' . Perhaps it's my age showing. Two years or so ago when I saw an old episode I found it poignant knowing how things would turn out. Now I'm used to thinking of them as all grown up, apart from Raj who turned out not to be the sweetie I thought he was, I don't find TBBT The Younger Years  fun at all. Goes to show how tastes differ.

Whose apartment are they in ?

Well, that's good, because there is no show TBBT The Younger Years. It's just Young Sheldon and his family.

[Die Zimtzicke]

2 hours ago, Burberry said:

I can agree it is not about the couples and shipping. it is about the theme of the show “The Big Bang Theory” is about nerds not shipping and couples, shipping is just a small part of the show 

I totally agree with this as well.

 

[BigBang15]

4 hours ago, chucky said:

I think TBBT would have gracefully ended without Sheldon Cooper being shoved down our throats. They could have done episodes like when Lenny was in the fore front. Almost equally divided amounts of time. But no, we have been subjected to larger amounts of Cooper with all the other recurring cast members revolving around Sheldon/shamy! Now with "YS", we know that Sheldon doesn't have an eidetic memory, because everything he thought he remembered about his childhood was wrong. His whole life prior to meeting Leonard was a lie.

I'm not 100% sure about his eidetic memory, but let's assume he does have one, His recollection is shaded by his age and lack of (social) understanding of why and what happened around him.

[Die Zimtzicke]

2 hours ago, bfm said:

Regarding Penny's outburst at Howard - I saw it as a result of an accumulative effect. She took it many many times without to much of a response until she was sick of it. She didn't consider her words carefully then and with the way Howard behaved she didn't think of him as vulnerable or insecure.

She was fine when she was telling him off for being doable (although the writers milked that for years) and fine when she told him she would never be interested. If she had stopped there it would have been fine. It was telling him he would grow old and die alone that crossed the line. I could not scream that into the face of my worst enemy. I just could not.

2 hours ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Bernadette and Amy coming   onto the show changed everything and ratings reached new highs.

Yes, they did.

Edited August 21, 2018 by Die Zimtzicke

[3ku11]

Again S3 was the highest rated season. Ratings are subjective. Not everyone loved Amy and Bernadettes inclusion. Again ppl watch for different reasons. Not sure why were arguing about what character made the show. Sheldons unique yeah. But without Leonard and Penny to play off, hes just a crazy man rambling.