[Spoilers] Season 12 Discussion Thread

[Mario D.]

8 hours ago, chucky said:

Agreed, 1 - 3 and 6 were good. Whereas, IMHO, 8 was bad and die hard TBBT fans could enjoy 11.

I know many people complain about season 8,  IDK to me it wasn't as bad as they say. There was alot of Lenny in the first nine episodes so maybe I was consumed by that.  Maybe it was Penny's haircut that turned people off but I have to say in episode  5 when the girls go to Las Vegas I thought that Kaley looked the best she had ever looked in the series.

[chucky]

4 hours ago, Mario D. said:

I know many people complain about season 8,  IDK to me it wasn't as bad as they say. There was alot of Lenny in the first nine episodes so maybe I was consumed by that.  Maybe it was Penny's haircut that turned people off but I have to say in episode  5 when the girls go to Las Vegas I thought that Kaley looked the best she had ever looked in the series.

I've never said anything bad about Kaley's looks. Season 8, to me, is bad because of the treatment of Lenny.

[Itwasdestined]

I never really had a problem with Season 8 until that last episode and the Mandy crap!


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[Mario D.]

5 hours ago, chucky said:

I've never said anything bad about Kaley's looks. Season 8, to me, is bad because of the treatment of Lenny.

Well, maybe their storylines were not the best but they had alot of "A" plots compared to other seasons

But one thing I disliked was that never in one episode, except for the finale, did they discuss any wedding plans. Not one mention the whole season was any wedding plans brought up. But, when Amy & Sheldon got engaged almost every episode had a wedding discussion in it: from their picking a wedding date to looking for a venue to laboring over who will be the best man and maid of honor. By the time the wedding came to pass I was glad it was finally over.

Edited July 27, 2019 by Mario D.

[Die Zimtzicke]

17 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Season 6 was arguably the most perfect season. They found the perfect balance between the science and the relationships. And pacing was perfect. 

My favorite will always be the Parking Spot Escalation.

[shell]

4 hours ago, Mario D. said:

Well, maybe their storylines were not the best but they had alot of "A" plots compared to other seasons

But one thing I disliked was that never in one episode, except for the finale, did they discuss any wedding plans. Not one mention the whole season was any wedding plans brought up. But, when Amy & Sheldon got engaged almost every episode had a wedding discussion in it: from their picking a wedding date to looking for a venue to laboring over who will be the best man and maid of honor. By the time the wedding came to pass I was glad it was finally over.

They had no story lines to write so they milked the wedding--not a good plan....I feel weddings are BORING

2 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

My favorite will always be the Parking Spot Escalation.

One of mine, too I think Sheldon and the bongos may be my favorite So hard to choose

[Mario D.]

1 hour ago, shell said:

They had no story lines to write so they milked the wedding--not a good plan....I feel weddings are BORING

One of mine, too I think Sheldon and the bongos may be my favorite So hard to choose

Penny:  "And Sheldon, you have even seen me naked"    Leonard immediately wanted to know about that

Sheldon: "Oh Leonard, it was only her bottom and her breast"   Very funny sequence

[chucky]

6 hours ago, Mario D. said:

maybe their storylines were not the best

That's the point! Whether A plot or not, they sucked. She was almost always snarky with him. Hell, Penny appeared more concerned about Sheldon than her own fiance. I guess when it comes to Season 8, we see it differently.

[Nogravitasatall]

On 7/27/2019 at 9:07 AM, chucky said:

True, 12 was a bust until 23/24 pulled their butts out of the fire. Again just MHO!

I still haven’t bit the bullet. 23/24 are yet unwatched (as are others prior). Holding off for the right time.

Or hoarding it. Maybe it’s denial. Hehehe.

Plus the news seems more engaging. Watching western civilisation spiral down the gurgler. Makes Sheldon and his shared sci-fi Nobel seem less pressing.

[Die Zimtzicke]

16 hours ago, chucky said:

That's the point! Whether A plot or not, they sucked. She was almost always snarky with him. Hell, Penny appeared more concerned about Sheldon than her own fiance. I guess when it comes to Season 8, we see it differently.

Agree. Eight and twelve were the worst ones for me.

[Tensor]

Don’t worry, the second half of each of the seasons will be better. 

[Mario D.]

18 hours ago, chucky said:

That's the point! Whether A plot or not, they sucked. She was almost always snarky with him. Hell, Penny appeared more concerned about Sheldon than her own fiance. I guess when it comes to Season 8, we see it differently.

Well, Chucky I usually go along with your comments but sometimes there is room for debate. I do not necessarily disagree with you but as you say we see things differently on this topic. And as I mentioned my pet peeve with this season was there was no mention of any wedding plans and not so much with the storylines.

[chucky]

46 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

And as I mentioned my pet peeve with this season was there was no mention of any wedding plans and not so much with the storylines.

This I can agree with you. It seemed rash and so unplanned and getting married in Vegas like she did with  Zack was so irrational.

[bfm]

IMO the worst season was 12. No other season comes close for me. There may have been a few good moments here and there, and the finale was decent, but, sadly, I mostly disliked it. 

I found season 8 just kind of boring. And then there was the boat kiss... But that was at the very end. So to me season 8 is just mostly boring. No more than 12 though. There was also the second half of season 10, which I think might have been the low point for Lenny. To make it worse, all the out of the blue arguments there turned out to be completely pointless. I did like most of the first half though, and it got much better in season 11.

I agree season 6 was great. I also really liked the second half of season 5. There were many classic moments in the first 3, I think season 3 is my favorite among them.

Edited July 28, 2019 by bfm

[chucky]

On 7/26/2019 at 6:53 PM, Itwasdestined said:

I don’t have a problem with any one season, just specific episodes and arcs. I’ve always found S 1-3 funnier than the later ones, S6 excepted, but understand the style needed to change for longevity.


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I'd like to agree, but I can't as I do have problems with several seasons!!!!!!

[3ku11]

Generally rule of thumb is first 150 episodes, barring a few. Is Classic TBBT, and up their with any of the great comedies. Season 6 was the show in its prime. Of course 7-12 was the decline of the show. But simply put after so many years the characters and the show just cannot have the same impact they once had. That is probably why you saw alot of repeated cannon, recycled story plots, and recton post S6. But not once did they abandon their vision for the show, or succumb to fan service, or jump the shark. Although you could argue they did a bit with the Leonard boat kiss. But When it came to the primary cannon couples they stuck with them. 

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[chucky]

3 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

But When it came to the primary cannon couples they stuck with them. 

All I can say to that is "Thank God For That"!

5 hours ago, bfm said:

it got much better in season 11.

I have to disagree on that. Season 11 was boring. All we got was mainly shamy wedding planning, which was boring IMHO!

[Nogravitasatall]

8 hours ago, bfm said:

IMO the worst season was 12. No other season comes close for me. There may have been a few good moments here and there, and the finale was decent, but, sadly, I mostly disliked it. 

I found season 8 just kind of boring. And then there was the boat kiss... But that was at the very end. So to me season 8 is just mostly boring. No more than 12 though. There was also the second half of season 10, which I think might have been the low point for Lenny. To make it worse, all the out of the blue arguments there turned out to be completely pointless. I did like most of the first half though, and it got much better in season 11.

I agree season 6 was great. I also really liked the second half of season 5. There were many classic moments in the first 3, I think season 3 is my favorite among them.

They ran too long. The Good Place is wrapping at four seasons, because that’s where the story took them. TBBT ran so long it became wallpaper. It was so hermetic that whenever they needed a tot of drama they just punched Leonard and when they wanted to go for feels they went gooey over Sheldon. When I forget to despise Sheldon because of the harm he has caused for so long, I can find it funny, but the Sheldon outrage generator and the  “look at me, look at me” attention devices just became wearying. Audience churn may have accounted for the durability. It’s hard to be good entertainment for so long with the same ingredients being recycled over and over again. I’m guessing they must have churned audience to get their numbers. They certainly aimed to bring in new consumers... given how long they held the focus on a school playground style of romance for Sheldon. 

And I believe pre-Amy they went for broke, post-Amy they went for for the long run. I feel that’s why 1-3 was zanier and more adult. I conjecture that post Amy they didn’t want to scare off the kids sitting on the couch with their mums.

Six seasons of 12 episodes each would have been 100% gold. People would have died laughing. But never mind the quality, feel the width. They did an excellent job and they thrived in a tough market. However, imagine it distilled. 

Edited July 29, 2019 by Nogravitasatall

[Die Zimtzicke]

21 hours ago, chucky said:

It seemed rash and so unplanned and getting married in Vegas like she did with  Zack was so irrational.

If it had NOT been what she did with Zack I might be persuaded, but the whole thing with Zack made doing it again super weird for me.

 

15 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Of course 7-12 was the decline of the show.

DEFINITELY! It peaked at six. I wish they had not had the last extension. Then they were just coasting and collecting their paychecks in my opinion. If they had planned to end it earlier they might have planned better instead of just drifting along doing whatever with only a vague idea of what they'd want in tne end.

Edited July 29, 2019 by Die Zimtzicke

[bfm]

12 hours ago, chucky said:

 

I have to disagree on that. Season 11 was boring. All we got was mainly shamy wedding planning, which was boring IMHO!

I meant re Lenny dynamics. I found the season 11 Lenny dynamic much better than season 10's and much more them.

4 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

DEFINITELY! It peaked at six. I wish they had not had the last extension. Then they were just coasting and collecting their paychecks in my opinion. If they had planned to end it earlier they might have planned better instead of just drifting along doing whatever with only a vague idea of what they'd want in tne end.

One of the problems is that as a rule, they didn't plan. And when they did plan a bit, in season 12, it was a mess, perhaps because they weren't used to building stories up and to think them through deeply (e.g. the awful Lenny no kids drama).

I think they could have finished with eight seasons as a really great show, or ten as a really good show. 12 was way too much, although there have been nice moments here and there. And of course we can't deny their inbelievable success. They made history.

[chucky]

3 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

but the whole thing with Zack made doing it again super weird for me.

You call it super weird, I say it was stupid, irrational and moranic. If they had to get married fast. then a trip to Reno would have been a better location for their elopement.

3 hours ago, bfm said:

I meant re Lenny dynamics. I found the season 11 Lenny dynamic much better than season 10's and much more them.

Sorry, I still disagree. For me, nothing they did for Lenny saved it from being boring! Season 11 was all about planning the shamy wedding, then having it. They sprinkled a couple nice things for the supporting cast (the remaining 5 cast members) to try to act impartial. It didn't work on me as I said it was boring! 

Edited July 29, 2019 by chucky

[bfm]

2 hours ago, chucky said:

 

Sorry, I still disagree. For me, nothing they did for Lenny saved it from being boring! Season 11 was all about planning the shamy wedding, then having it. They sprinkled a couple nice things for the supporting cast (the remaining 5 cast members) to try to act impartial. It didn't work on me as I said it was boring! 

Again, I wasn't referring to how boring it was. I was just saying Lenny IMO were at their low point in the second half of season 10, with all the nonsense out of the blue fighting. I found their dynamic in season 11 a great improvement compared to that. 

Edited July 29, 2019 by bfm

[hokie3457]

One of the problems is that as a rule, they didn't plan. And when they did plan a bit, in season 12, it was a mess, perhaps because they weren't used to building stories up and to think them through deeply (e.g. the awful Lenny no kids drama).
I think they could have finished with eight seasons as a really great show, or ten as a really good show. 12 was way too much, although there have been nice moments here and there. And of course we can't deny their inbelievable success. They made history.

The more time passes, the more I think they put themselves in an unworkable place with the sort of sudden announcement that 12 would be the end. They had three episodes written and there was no way they were going to trash this scripts, even though they were not all taped. A bad choice that had a major impact on the Leonard/Penny storyline. If there was going to be a 13th and maybe even a 14th season, they could have tap danced a bit until having Penny experience an epiphany and discover organically that yes, she does want to create life with her husband. With a scant 21 episodes until “fade to black”, they end up pulling the Zack nonsense out of thin air.


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[chucky]

57 minutes ago, bfm said:

I was just saying Lenny IMO were at their low point in the second half of season 10, with all the nonsense out of the blue fighting. I found their dynamic in season 11 a great improvement compared to that. 

I'm saying that there was no improvement. There was still snarkiness in Penny's attitude toward Leonard. They still argued more than the other couples. So, we both saw the same episodes saw different things. So, I'm just saying we need to agree to disagree and move on. I can't convince you to agree with me and you won't convince me to agree with you on this subject. Maybe we can agree that 11 was boring.

[Tonstar17]

The more time passes, the more I think they put themselves in an unworkable place with the sort of sudden announcement that 12 would be the end. They had three episodes written and there was no way they were going to trash this scripts, even though they were not all taped. A bad choice that had a major impact on the Leonard/Penny storyline. If there was going to be a 13th and maybe even a 14th season, they could have tap danced a bit until having Penny experience an epiphany and discover organically that yes, she does want to create life with her husband. With a scant 21 episodes until “fade to black”, they end up pulling the Zack nonsense out of thin air.


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I think even if we had a S13 or 14, Lenny would have still been relegated. They would have dragged the Sheldon Show to the bitter end. We would not have had a lenny pregnancy or even having them discuss it as tptb so often ignore any lenny arc in later seasons. Just crumbs here and there. Lenny story ended a long time ago for the writers, they just needed to wait until the last season, be it 12, 13 or 14 to rap lenny up.

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