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2 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

Yeah, well. It could play out that way for any of them. I’d think there’d be more stress on the Amy Sheldon deal. Amy has to fight hard for autonomy. Sheldon schedules everything they do to his benefit, from bowel movements to their nookie. Maybe she likes that, maybe it’ll become wearing. It’d be challenging long term.

But for the moment they are all frozen in amber.  Speculate away.

Wasn't she gradually getting him out of his ingrained habits ? She got him to ditch the bathroom schedule very early on in their cohabitation and on their honeymoon insisted their nookie had to have at least the appearance of spontaneity. She'll have to carry on like that.

When they've got a house  with more rooms and an outside space she'll be able to escape him if he gets too exhausting. I can see her rising to the challenge so long as he doesn't turn out to be an unacceptably damaging father. If he gets so bad she moves out she'll have to let him have sole charge of the kids at least alternate weekends and a month in the summer. She's not going to want to do that. She'll stay a good twenty five or thirty years until the kids have all left home and then if necessary lead more of a separate life but in a way that he doesn't notice.

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7 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Wasn't she gradually getting him out of his ingrained habits ? She got him to ditch the bathroom schedule very early on in their cohabitation and on their honeymoon insisted their nookie had to have at least the appearance of spontaneity. She'll have to carry on like that.

When they've got a house  with more rooms and an outside space she'll be able to escape him if he gets too exhausting. I can see her rising to the challenge so long as he doesn't turn out to be an unacceptably damaging father. If he gets so bad she moves out she'll have to let him have sole charge of the kids at least alternate weekends and a month in the summer. She's not going to want to do that. She'll stay a good twenty five or thirty years until the kids have all left home and then if necessary lead more of a separate life but in a way that he doesn't notice.

Interesting. I don't really care as long as they don't convince Lenny to move into that house with them!

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39 minutes ago, shell said:

They broke up how many times? There was an episode when Penny couldn't even decide if she loved him and wanted to break up with him. She was wondering why it didn't feel like love....the one when Sheldon asked her not to hurt him

They didn't break up at all once they were engaged, nor for some time before that. There was a nonsensical near-break-up for 24 hours or so that some writer must have thought was funny at the beginning of the marriage,sure, but otherwise break-ups were just past events they referred to lightheartedly for the next five years.

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9 hours ago, Tonstar17 said:

My mate been with his girlfriend for 15 years. Yeah, I just dont see it lasting.

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If she's still only a girlfriend after 15 years it doesn't sound as though they're interested in going anywhere with it.

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1 hour ago, shell said:

They broke up how many times?

I know of only 1 break up and that was on season 3. Since they got back together they had a couple near misses, but no break ups. She didn't break up with him after that damn boat kiss. If there were other break ups, they happened off screen. So as far as I'm concerned, there was 1 official break up.

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5 hours ago, shell said:

I guess you're referring to Amy and Sheldon? You forgot to mention how Sheldon listened to Amy and made amends immediately

And Amy's last comment toward Sheldon in private was her telling him, she was annoyed, at times, with his wearisome behavior.   Just like she did when she wanted to take some time away from him, back in season nine.  We know she'll break up with him, if he's bothersome enough. 

 

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The last dialogue in the show between Penny and Leonard is Penny getting annoyed with Leonard.... 

Well, yeah.   She had every right to get annoyed with him.    If he thought it was only going to take her five minutes to get ready, then he deserved her reaction.  I made a similar mistake with my wife, back when she was pregnant, and she reacted just the same as Penny did.  That was over 35 years ago.  So it appears that Penny and Leonard are good for another 35 years, at least.  

One of the big differences that no one seems to notice is that Amy is reacting to Sheldon's behaviors.  Penny isn't reacting to Leonard's behaviors, she's reacting to her problems with commitment and expectations. 

 

5 hours ago, shell said:

They broke up how many times? There was an episode when Penny couldn't even decide if she loved him and wanted to break up with him. She was wondering why it didn't feel like love....the one when Sheldon asked her not to hurt him

 

Define break up.   See, I don't feel not dating again, after one date,  isn't breaking up, that's why I asked for your definition. On screen, they only showed one. There was the bowling alley (and even that was Penny breaking up with him, because she didn't want to hurt him, by stringing him along, help along by Wil's story), and that was it.  As far as what you are referencing, she never said specifically said she wanted to break up with him.  When Bernadette asked her, she said:

Bernadette: Are you gonna break up with him?

Penny: No. Maybe. I don’t know.

Bernadette: I had no idea you were unhappy.

Penny: That’s the thing, I’m not. I’m not unhappy at all. It’s just, I don’t know, 

"No, Maybe, I don't know", is hardly wanting to break up with him.   From her comment to Sheldon, (I have a lot to figure out, and until I do, you are not to say a word to Leonard), it's more her doubts, than anything else. After all, if she was definitely breaking up with him, it wouldn't much matter if Sheldon told Leonard.  However, if she is unsure or doesn't know, she wouldn't want Leonard to find out.   Now, Amy tells Sheldon  that Penny was thinking of breaking up with him, but we never hear Penny say that, as a matter of fact, she specifically say she loves him.

She said, later in the episode that she had to tell Leonard something.  What, we never found out.  Did she want to tell him it was over?  Did she want to tell him her doubts?   (did she want to tell him about the helicopter landing on the roof?).   What we do know is that the very next episode, she was upset with Alex's flirting with him.  She told Alex a lot of people can't work with him, then drug him off to bed.  And two episodes later, we find a large part of her problem was her wonky definition of love, and  once she put effort into the relationship, her doubts went away.    None of that sounds like she definitely wanted to break up with him.  

 

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54 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Not getting where the innocent idea is coming from In the first ep, Leonard calls him a pro at masturbating and says the sperm bank was his idea. Sheldon tells Leonard at one point that Penny is not going to have sex with him, implying he knows something about sexual attraction. Sheldon made a joke about coitus interruptus and told Leonard he thinks with his penis in that ep, both of which do not imply innocence to me. From the start he was not innocent.

I don't think the pilot is really a good indication of where the characters were starting in episode 2, not to mention and even worse indication to where the characters were after returning from the writers strike.   Penny was more of a ditz and no where near the alcoholic, slut they made her out to be in later years.

 

54 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I could never get it and still can't. I like Leonard but could only tolerate Penny occasionally. For the most part I really couldn't stand her.

Whereas I loved them, because their path mimics my wife and I's path.  Along with my wife and I being very close to being clones of Leonard and Penny.

 

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20 hours ago, chucky said:

But, here we run into the conflict the writers have with their not declaring him on the spectrum.  Which is made worse by the claim of an eidetic memory.  He's been told quite a few times that his behavior is not acceptable.   If he's not on the spectrum, then his continued ill-mannered behavior, after being told the behavior is wrong, means he's doing it on purpose or just to be mean (see "Itchy Brain").   But, even if he is on the spectrum, he still has the eidetic memory, so he knows the behavior is wrong, yet he does it anyway.   It's a sticker wicket in that corner the writers painted themselves into.    

With Itchy brain Leonard was being really stubborn. He could have called that off at any point. He just refused to. He played right into Sheldon's hands.

Actually, that reply should have been to me, those are my words, not chucky's.   Stubborn?  So it was bad that he was trying to live up to the promise he  made to Sheldon to wear the sweater until the situation could be resolved?  Sheldon was just malicious, willfully giving Leonard more ideas to resolve it, knowing it had already been resolved.   This actually had nothing to do with being on the spectrum or his eidetic memory.  Sheldon was simply being a selfish asshole about the whole thing, and by using the phrase playing into Sheldon's hands, you know he was being intentionally mean.  

54 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Even though the writers never declared Sheldon on the spectrum, though, Jim said he played him that way, although I can't find that statement now and it's not for lack of trying.  However, even without it, so many people who have an autistic family member saw Sheldon that way that I feel there had to have been something that the writers either didn't want to acknowledge or that Jim was putting into it with their permission. They had inappropriate social interaction, compulsive behavior, repetitive movements, total unawareness or disregard of other's feelings, and persistent repetition of words or actions just to name a few symptoms.  Asperger syndrome has been removed as a formal diagnosis and those with the symptoms of what was formerly referred to as Asperger syndrome are now grouped in the category of spectrum disorder but when the show started tons of people were speculating Asperger's for Sheldon. The eidetic memory and and went so often I couldn't take it seriously.

She should have taken him to the specialist.

Either he is on the spectrum or he isn't.  The writers and creators specifically state he isn't, along with specifically stating he has an eidetic memory. 

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6 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Wasn't she gradually getting him out of his ingrained habits ? She got him to ditch the bathroom schedule very early on in their cohabitation and on their honeymoon insisted their nookie had to have at least the appearance of spontaneity. She'll have to carry on like that.

When they've got a house  with more rooms and an outside space she'll be able to escape him if he gets too exhausting. I can see her rising to the challenge so long as he doesn't turn out to be an unacceptably damaging father. If he gets so bad she moves out she'll have to let him have sole charge of the kids at least alternate weekends and a month in the summer. She's not going to want to do that. She'll stay a good twenty five or thirty years until the kids have all left home and then if necessary lead more of a separate life but in a way that he doesn't notice.

It’s possible. She may well be able to tolerate him for a long time. Or forever. I’d hope that she would get more chance to be her own person than we ever saw during the show. But that’s me, and what do I know. 

Seeing that she said that Leonard going to the bathroom whenever he wanted was “like an an animal” she may like the idea of order and structure to a near similar degree to Sheldon. And if she’s happy with executing deceptions like “schedule the nookie, but don’t tell me that you’ve scheduled it, so I be able to deceive myself that it’s spontaneous, and you can stop bothering me with things that clutter my calendar” , then it’ll be all be great. Her meta-control over Sheldon’s attempts at controlling her may work.  Then  maybe he’ll work out what she’s doing and respond with another added layer of control. It could end up as four dimensional chess between the two of them. They’ll be so happy. :) 

Anything could happen. She might get assigned a hot post-grad student and suddenly start working late in the lab. Heheh. Who knows.

 

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3 hours ago, Tensor said:

I don't think the pilot is really a good indication of where the characters were starting in episode 2, not to mention and even worse indication to where the characters were after returning from the writers strike.   Penny was more of a ditz and no where near the alcoholic, slut they made her out to be in later years.

 

Whereas I loved them, because their path mimics my wife and I's path.  Along with my wife and I being very close to being clones of Leonard and Penny.

 

Actually, that reply should have been to me, those are my words, not chucky's.   Stubborn?  So it was bad that he was trying to live up to the promise he  made to Sheldon to wear the sweater until the situation could be resolved?  Sheldon was just malicious, willfully giving Leonard more ideas to resolve it, knowing it had already been resolved.   This actually had nothing to do with being on the spectrum or his eidetic memory.  Sheldon was simply being a selfish asshole about the whole thing, and by using the phrase playing into Sheldon's hands, you know he was being intentionally mean.  

Either he is on the spectrum or he isn't.  The writers and creators specifically state he isn't, along with specifically stating he has an eidetic memory. 

I thought they said they didn't want to commit themselves to any particular diagnosis one way or the other because that would restrict them when it came to script writing. The spectrum is very wide anyway. An expert once told me that most of us spend at least a part of our lives somewhere on it. It can be grown out of, apparently. I believe that.

Miserable gits and well-intended people alike can be found there. If there's a spectrum of nastiness/niceness we can all guess near which end we'd find Sheldon.

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5 hours ago, Tensor said:

 

 

5 hours ago, Tensor said:

And Amy's last comment toward Sheldon in private was her telling him, she was annoyed, at times, with his wearisome behavior.   Just like she did when she wanted to take some time away from him, back in season nine.  We know she'll break up with him, if he's bothersome enough. 

 

Well, yeah.   She had every right to get annoyed with him.    If he thought it was only going to take her five minutes to get ready, then he deserved her reaction.  I made a similar mistake with my wife, back when she was pregnant, and she reacted just the same as Penny did.  That was over 35 years ago.  So it appears that Penny and Leonard are good for another 35 years, at least.  

One of the big differences that no one seems to notice is that Amy is reacting to Sheldon's behaviors.  Penny isn't reacting to Leonard's behaviors, she's reacting to her problems with commitment and expectations. 

 

 

Define break up.   See, I don't feel not dating again, after one date,  isn't breaking up, that's why I asked for your definition. On screen, they only showed one. There was the bowling alley (and even that was Penny breaking up with him, because she didn't want to hurt him, by stringing him along, help along by Wil's story), and that was it.  As far as what you are referencing, she never said specifically said she wanted to break up with him.  When Bernadette asked her, she said:

Bernadette: Are you gonna break up with him?

Penny: No. Maybe. I don’t know.

Bernadette: I had no idea you were unhappy.

Penny: That’s the thing, I’m not. I’m not unhappy at all. It’s just, I don’t know, 

"No, Maybe, I don't know", is hardly wanting to break up with him.   From her comment to Sheldon, (I have a lot to figure out, and until I do, you are not to say a word to Leonard), it's more her doubts, than anything else. After all, if she was definitely breaking up with him, it wouldn't much matter if Sheldon told Leonard.  However, if she is unsure or doesn't know, she wouldn't want Leonard to find out.   Now, Amy tells Sheldon  that Penny was thinking of breaking up with him, but we never hear Penny say that, as a matter of fact, she specifically say she loves him.

She said, later in the episode that she had to tell Leonard something.  What, we never found out.  Did she want to tell him it was over?  Did she want to tell him her doubts?   (did she want to tell him about the helicopter landing on the roof?).   What we do know is that the very next episode, she was upset with Alex's flirting with him.  She told Alex a lot of people can't work with him, then drug him off to bed.  And two episodes later, we find a large part of her problem was her wonky definition of love, and  once she put effort into the relationship, her doubts went away.    None of that sounds like she definitely wanted to break up with him.  

 

Amy and Sheldon's last dialogue was "Sheldon?" "Oh, you're done?" then they kissed

And I don't see the difference between problems, commitments, etc They're all issues

And I don't really know how many times they broke up, I don't really pay attention to them when they're on but I do remember Penny complaining to Leonard why he can't be more romantic and recognize their anniversary and he said which time would I celebrate We've been on and off again so much-- I think it was the episode Howard sang to Bernadette I just get the feeling Alex liked Leonard more than Penny I would think there would come a point Leonard would be sick of getting disrespected and degraded all the time -maybe he would actually break up with her if he grows

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No one sees the “interior” of the Penny/Leonard relationship often enough. Certainly not their friends. What we see when they are alone is mutual adoration and love. When they were apart in seasons 3 & 4 and partly 5 there was a yearning on each part.Leonard’s was stifled by the Priya relationship; Penny’s by her inability to share her innermost heart with anyone, except for perhaps Leonard and well, him being the subject of her heavy heart, that wasn’t an option.

 

 

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12 hours ago, chucky said:

I know of only 1 break up and that was on season 3. Since they got back together they had a couple near misses, but no break ups. She didn't break up with him after that damn boat kiss. If there were other break ups, they happened off screen. So as far as I'm concerned, there was 1 official break up.

Although, in the episode where Raj is considering breaking up with Emily and he asks Penny for advice she says "look at how many times I broke up with Leonard"  and Leonard adds "I counted 4 times"   But as you comment we only saw one on screen!

8 hours ago, Tensor said:

And Amy's last comment toward Sheldon in private was her telling him, she was annoyed, at times, with his wearisome behavior.   Just like she did when she wanted to take some time away from him, back in season nine.  We know she'll break up with him, if he's bothersome enough. 

 

Well, yeah.   She had every right to get annoyed with him.    If he thought it was only going to take her five minutes to get ready, then he deserved her reaction.  I made a similar mistake with my wife, back when she was pregnant, and she reacted just the same as Penny did.  That was over 35 years ago.  So it appears that Penny and Leonard are good for another 35 years, at least.  

One of the big differences that no one seems to notice is that Amy is reacting to Sheldon's behaviors.  Penny isn't reacting to Leonard's behaviors, she's reacting to her problems with commitment and expectations. 

 

 

Define break up.   See, I don't feel not dating again, after one date,  isn't breaking up, that's why I asked for your definition. On screen, they only showed one. There was the bowling alley (and even that was Penny breaking up with him, because she didn't want to hurt him, by stringing him along, help along by Wil's story), and that was it.  As far as what you are referencing, she never said specifically said she wanted to break up with him.  When Bernadette asked her, she said:

Bernadette: Are you gonna break up with him?

Penny: No. Maybe. I don’t know.

Bernadette: I had no idea you were unhappy.

Penny: That’s the thing, I’m not. I’m not unhappy at all. It’s just, I don’t know, 

"No, Maybe, I don't know", is hardly wanting to break up with him.   From her comment to Sheldon, (I have a lot to figure out, and until I do, you are not to say a word to Leonard), it's more her doubts, than anything else. After all, if she was definitely breaking up with him, it wouldn't much matter if Sheldon told Leonard.  However, if she is unsure or doesn't know, she wouldn't want Leonard to find out.   Now, Amy tells Sheldon  that Penny was thinking of breaking up with him, but we never hear Penny say that, as a matter of fact, she specifically say she loves him.

She said, later in the episode that she had to tell Leonard something.  What, we never found out.  Did she want to tell him it was over?  Did she want to tell him her doubts?   (did she want to tell him about the helicopter landing on the roof?).   What we do know is that the very next episode, she was upset with Alex's flirting with him.  She told Alex a lot of people can't work with him, then drug him off to bed.  And two episodes later, we find a large part of her problem was her wonky definition of love, and  once she put effort into the relationship, her doubts went away.    None of that sounds like she definitely wanted to break up with him.  

 

I agree  I have always believed in that scene (S6 E2) that she just wanted to tell him of her doubts and what she was feeling not specifically to break up with him. I think she knew deep down that if she did break up with Leonard there would be no going back and Leonard would have been so disillusioned that he may not have talked to her again.

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2 hours ago, shell said:

Amy and Sheldon's last dialogue was "Sheldon?" "Oh, you're done?" then they kissed

First off, I said Private, you really didn’t expect them to fight in public.  And in that scene, the look at each other and smile and in the last scene of the show Leonard and Penny are kissing while he’s rubbing her belly.  They are the only couple to kiss.  

2 hours ago, shell said:

And I don't see the difference between problems, commitments, etc They're all issues

You miss the point.  Lenny’s break up had nothing to do with Leonard, it was because of Penny’s own issues, and her worry (egged on by Wil) about hurting Leonard even more if she strung him along.  Shamy’s breakup was because Amy couldn’t deal with Sheldon anymore, and she wanted some time to think about things.  

2 hours ago, shell said:

And I don't really know how many times they broke up, I don't really pay attention to them when they're on but I do remember Penny complaining to Leonard why he can't be more romantic and recognize their anniversary and he said which time would I celebrate We've been on and off again so much-- I think it was the episode Howard sang to Bernadette I just get the feeling Alex liked Leonard more than Penny I would think there would come a point Leonard would be sick of getting disrespected and degraded all the time -maybe he would actually break up with her if he grows

If you don’t pay attention when they are on, don’t you think you may be getting a slanted view of them? Do you really want to do a list, for each of the couples, comparing the times one or the other disrespected their partner?   How about when Amy went to the extreme of putting rubber cement in her nose, just to get some attention from Sheldon?  Or how about when Amy did get tired of being disrespected and broke up with Sheldon, but then went back to him?  

The two, recognizing their anniversary, and being romantic are two different episodes.  They were talking about the anniversary of their first date, and which first date.  Should it be the date where Penny thought the others were coming, but it was just Leonard, after all he thought it was a date. Or, the one at the end of season one, or the one after Leonard gets back from the expedition at the beginning of season three?  Could it possibly be The date to dinner, after his flashback in season five, or the date to the shooting range?  You see his problem.  After all. Penny doesn’t count the kiss after the costume party as their first kiss, but Leonard does, so which should be celebrated as their first kiss?

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21 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

Although, in the episode where Raj is considering breaking up with Emily and he asks Penny for advice she says "look at how many times I broke up with Leonard"  and Leonard adds "I counted 4 times"   But as you comment we only saw one on screen!

With Leonard and Penny, are they being honest or just messing with Raj? Howard and Raj have commented on Lenny break ups. As far as I'm concerned, if it didn't happen on screen, it didn't happen. I need physical evidence. If she didn't break up due to the "Boat Kiss", then a break up for anything else is improvable. Of course that's my own personal opinion! Others may think different. That's cool, different strokes for different folks!  :hi:

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24 minutes ago, Tensor said:

[...] in the last scene of the show Leonard and Penny are kissing while he’s rubbing her belly.  They are the only couple to kiss. 

Yep, the last kiss of the show is a Lenny kiss.

(from TBBT's official YT channel)

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28 minutes ago, luminous said:

Yep, the last kiss of the show is a Lenny kiss.

They are also the couple that looks the happiest!!    :sungum:

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1 hour ago, Tensor said:

First off, I said Private, you really didn’t expect them to fight in public.  And in that scene, the look at each other and smile and in the last scene of the show Leonard and Penny are kissing while he’s rubbing her belly.  They are the only couple to kiss.  

You miss the point.  Lenny’s break up had nothing to do with Leonard, it was because of Penny’s own issues, and her worry (egged on by Wil) about hurting Leonard even more if she strung him along.  Shamy’s breakup was because Amy couldn’t deal with Sheldon anymore, and she wanted some time to think about things.  

If you don’t pay attention when they are on, don’t you think you may be getting a slanted view of them? Do you really want to do a list, for each of the couples, comparing the times one or the other disrespected their partner?   How about when Amy went to the extreme of putting rubber cement in her nose, just to get some attention from Sheldon?  Or how about when Amy did get tired of being disrespected and broke up with Sheldon, but then went back to him?  

The two, recognizing their anniversary, and being romantic are two different episodes.  They were talking about the anniversary of their first date, and which first date.  Should it be the date where Penny thought the others were coming, but it was just Leonard, after all he thought it was a date. Or, the one at the end of season one, or the one after Leonard gets back from the expedition at the beginning of season three?  Could it possibly be The date to dinner, after his flashback in season five, or the date to the shooting range?  You see his problem.  After all. Penny doesn’t count the kiss after the costume party as their first kiss, but Leonard does, so which should be celebrated as their first kiss?

I didn't know dialogue didn't count if they were in public. Sheldon's speech addressed all of them and it was filled with kind words to Amy, too.

And Leonard and Penny kissed because they were right next to each other , she was pregnant and the writers wanted to remind us that in the end scene. And yes, you even said it, 'Penny's issues'. 

Amy and Sheldon have grown, and yes, they've had major issues in the past and will have more like all married couples.  But, Amy has said over and over again she loves him, I always got the feeling Penny wasn't so sure. That was my point.

I have watched BBT all the way through and have rewatched episodes many times. I just get bored with their scenes. I'm just not feelin' it. And am not into lists...

Just sayin'...

22 minutes ago, chucky said:

They are also the couple that looks the happiest!!    :sungum:

Ugh

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14 hours ago, shell said:

there would come a point Leonard would be sick of getting disrespected and degraded all the time -maybe he would actually break up with her if he grows

Lenny is forever, Shamy, I'm not so sure. But that's just MHO. I guess we just disagree!

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1 hour ago, shell said:

I didn't know dialogue didn't count if they were in public. Sheldon's speech addressed all of them and it was filled with kind words to Amy, too.

I was trying to point out that  Leonard and Penny weren't given any dialogue in the final scene, but they didn't need any, they both were looking lovingly at each other.  The private thing was to point out that in each of the couple's final private scenes, they weren't the happiest with each other.  

1 hour ago, shell said:

And Leonard and Penny kissed because they were right next to each other , she was pregnant and the writers wanted to remind us that in the end scene. And yes, you even said it, 'Penny's issues'. 

Well, Howard and Bernadette were right next to each other, and they didn't kiss and so were Shamy and they didn't kiss either.  Obviously the writers wanted to show how much more Lenny loved each other than the other couples.   See, interpretation  can be very biased.  

 

1 hour ago, shell said:

Amy and Sheldon have grown, and yes, they've had major issues in the past and will have more like all married couples.  But, Amy has said over and over again she loves him, I always got the feeling Penny wasn't so sure. That was my point.

Interesting.  You concentrate on Amy saying I love you, but ignore all the times she pointed out what she wasn't getting what she wasted from the relationship, or was upset about Sheldon's behavior, yet you say Penny saying I love you doesn't mean anything?    Isn't that a bit of a double standard?  Or, is it just you like Shamy and look for the good in them, like I look for the good in Lenny?  

1 hour ago, shell said:

I have watched BBT all the way through and have rewatched episodes many times. I just get bored with their scenes.  I'm just not feelin' it.

As have I, and yet I don't feel Shamy.   

 

1 hour ago, shell said:

And am not into lists...

Just sayin'... 

Ugh

Well, the examples you present, and the rebuttals I provide are basically lists.   Look, if you just don't like them, that's fine, I can't refute that.  But, keep providing examples, and I can refute those, or provide counter examples as long as you want to keep going.  

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1 hour ago, Tensor said:

I was trying to point out that  Leonard and Penny weren't given any dialogue in the final scene, but they didn't need any, they both were looking lovingly at each other.  The private thing was to point out that in each of the couple's final private scenes, they weren't the happiest with each other.  

Well, Howard and Bernadette were right next to each other, and they didn't kiss and so were Shamy and they didn't kiss either.  Obviously the writers wanted to show how much more Lenny loved each other than the other couples.   See, interpretation  can be very biased.  

 

Interesting.  You concentrate on Amy saying I love you, but ignore all the times she pointed out what she wasn't getting what she wasted from the relationship, or was upset about Sheldon's behavior, yet you say Penny saying I love you doesn't mean anything?    Isn't that a bit of a double standard?  Or, is it just you like Shamy and look for the good in them, like I look for the good in Lenny?  

As have I, and yet I don't feel Shamy.   

 

Well, the examples you present, and the rebuttals I provide are basically lists.   Look, if you just don't like them, that's fine, I can't refute that.  But, keep providing examples, and I can refute those, or provide counter examples as long as you want to keep going.  

 

They just wanted to emphasize the fact she was pregnant. Besides, It's much easier to kiss someone that is sitting right next to you and Just because they were kissing at that moment and the others weren't does not make them the happiest. I used to date a guy that always wanted to kiss After a while it got so I wanted to rip his face off--kissing did not mean I was happy. Sheldon and Amy take three hours when they sleep together while Lenny take 9 minutes (Another good argument?)

Amy was growing too by saying what she wanted from the relationship then Sheldon listened and did the best he could and improved to make her happier. 

I'll just agree we don't agree. It's obvious that won't change and whatever you say will not change my mind. 

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3 hours ago, shell said:

 

I have watched BBT all the way through and have rewatched episodes many times. I just get bored with their scenes. I'm just not feelin' it. And am not into lists...

Just sayin'...

Ugh

This is true for me too. I don't find Lenny very funny or different.  I don't see a deep connection . Even in the finale, Penny's entire pregnancy was reduced to drunk sex. I think, the nerd/hot girl cliche has been done to death so many times in so many sitcoms that Lenny don't add anything new to the show IMO. I used to cringe at how Howard and Raj used to be creepy and disgusting towards every female character. I still cringe how  all the guys were treating Missy like a piece of meat. I just didn't think there was anything unique about Lenny and their fighting, dating other people cliche and breakup.  Maybe some of it is relatable but not something I  find original or  can keep my interest in a sitcom.  Sheldon was unique to me and maybe , the only reason I continued to watch TBBT in the early seasons before Amy was added. Sheldon's scenes with Penny were some of the funniest back then. 

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45 minutes ago, shell said:

Sheldon and Amy take three hours when they sleep together

That was their first time! It took them 2 hours and 57 minutes to figure out what to do even after reading the book Lenny gave Sheldon. Just my opinion!  :hi:

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2 minutes ago, chucky said:

That was their first time! It took them 2 hours and 57 minutes to figure out what to do even after reading the book Lenny gave Sheldon. Just my opinion!  :hi:

Judging by the smile on Amy's face I would disagree

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