[Spoilers] Season 12 Discussion Thread

[chucky]

1 hour ago, joyceraye said:

From last night's Young Sheldon I gather Sheldon was ten when he first seriously started answering his mother back and being right. Good for him, sticking up for himself.

Is that show still on? Hadn't noticed.

[joyceraye]

6 hours ago, chucky said:

Is that show still on? Hadn't noticed.

It started again last night. Season three of four planned.

[chucky]

51 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

It started again last night. Season three of four planned.

I wouldn't of known since except for a few commercials, I haven't seen any of that show. Personally, I had enough Sheldon for a lifetime.

[joyceraye]

1 hour ago, joyceraye said:

It started again last night. Season three of four planned.

Are we going to have a thread for talking about YS ?

[chucky]

2 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Are we going to have a thread for talking about YS ?

Not me! I got my comments in on that subject and now I am done. 

[joyceraye]

19 minutes ago, chucky said:

Not me! I got my comments in on that subject and now I am done. 

Isn't it up to the owner of the forum ?

[chucky]

3 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Isn't it up to the owner of the forum ?

I'm just saying that I'm done. If anyone else wants to discuss "YS", then go ahead. I won't be adding to the discussion.

[vonmar]

3 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Are we going to have a thread for talking about YS ?

There is one, Young Sheldon  has its own topic area on this board with several different discussion threads...

[chucky]

@batman75 Happy Birthday!  Hopefully many more to come!

[joyceraye]

9 hours ago, vonmar said:

There is one, Young Sheldon  has its own topic area on this board with several different discussion threads...

Hooray ! When I click on Young Sheldon at the top of the page it comes up with adverts for new episodes and summaries. I obviously need to look harder. I don't want to lose touch with the people of this forum so I'll join any thread there is.

[joyceraye]

17 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Hooray ! When I click on Young Sheldon at the top of the page it comes up with adverts for new episodes and summaries. I obviously need to look harder. I don't want to lose touch with the people of this forum so I'll join any thread there is.

Found it !

Dunno how I missed it. THANK YOU VONMAR.

 

[Mario D.]

20 hours ago, chucky said:

I wouldn't of known since except for a few commercials, I haven't seen any of that show. Personally, I had enough Sheldon for a lifetime.

Apparently the ratings for YS tanked without TBBT lead-in  Believe it was reported that YS had a 1.0 rating in the 18-49 class.  Maybe tensor can elaborate on this.

[vonmar]

8 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

Apparently the ratings for YS tanked without TBBT lead-in  Believe it was reported that YS had a 1.0 rating in the 18-49 class.  Maybe tensor can elaborate on this.

Not counting Thursday Night Football..

Grey's Anatomy was the highest rated show at 1.5 and had 6.51 million viewers.  

Young Sheldon was the most watched show with 8.24 million viewers and # 2 in the final ratings with a 1.1

Definitely lower than when TBBT was YS's lead-in

Ratings and viewership numbers were terrible across the board on Thursday.  We'll have to see how things play out going forward.

[Tensor]

1 hour ago, vonmar said:

Not counting Thursday Night Football..

Grey's Anatomy was the highest rated show at 1.5 and had 6.51 million viewers.  

Young Sheldon was the most watched show with 8.24 million viewers and # 2 in the final ratings with a 1.1

Definitely lower than when TBBT was YS's lead-in

Ratings and viewership numbers were terrible across the board on Thursday.  We'll have to see how things play out going forward.

Ratings are tanking across the board so far this year, a quick calculation shows the average premiere is down 30-40 percent.  

On Monday, none of CBS' shows cracked a 1.0.  The Neighborhood was high at 0.9.  On NBC, The Voice was at 1.7, 911 was at 1.5.  On ABC, The Good Doctor and Fox's Prodigal Son were at 1.0.   

On Tuesday,   on NBC, This is Us had a 3.0 last year and a 1.8 this year, down 40%.  The Voice was at 1.5 (down 40%).   On ABC, The Conners, with the highest comedy rating of 1.3, was off  by 1.1 points (45%) from last year (2.4).   The rest of ABC's lineup was either 0.8 or 0.9.  On Fox, the new Show the resident was at 0.9 and  Empire,  was down 0.9 points at 1.0, from a 1.9, down 49%.  Neither of Fox's shows hit four million.  CBS had a fairly good night, with NCIS flat at 1.3, but it's been the only show over 10 million viewers, at 12.24.

On Wednesday, ABC struggled with The Goldbergs and Modern Family  at 1.0 (but both were under 5 million viewers, Modern Family barely making it at 4.04 million. Their other two new comedies Schooled and Single Parents came in at  0.8 and 0.7, but Schooled was under four million (3.48) and Single Parents was under three million (2.87).  Their new show at 10 PM, Stumptown only had a 0.7, but at 4.53 million was the highest viewed show on the network, beating The Goldberg's by 80 thousand viewers.   On CBS,  both Survivor and Big Brother ran 90 minutes, and were both around 1.2-1.3 demo.  Survivor had around 6 million viewers and Big Brother had around 4.5 million.  NBC ran Chicago First Responders (Med, Fire, PD) and all were somewhere around 1.2 with Med and Fire around 7.5 million with PD at 6.5 million.  The big winner on Wednesday was Fox, with The Masked Singer pulling in around a 2.5 demo, with around 8 million viewers.  

Thursday for CBS wasn't bad, with YS at 1.0 and Mom at 0.8, and their new shows, The Unicorn (0.8) and Carol's Second Act at 0.7).  YS was over 8 million viewers and the other three at 6 million.  At 10 PM the new show Evil brought in a0.7 with 4.5 million.   ABC had a good night with Grey's Anatomy at 1.6 and the new Show A Million Little Pieces at 1.0, with Grey's around 6.5 million and Pieces at 5 million.  How to Get Away with Murder was at 0.6 but only 2.5 million viewers.   Fox had Football,  and on NBC Thursday was a complete disaster.  Leading off the night was Superstore, with a 0.8 and only 2.86 million viewers.  This was followed by the new show Perfect Harmony (0.5, 2.63 million), The Good Place, (0.7, 2.42 million) and the new show Sunnyside at 0.4, and only 1.77 million people.  It picked up at 10 PM with the 21 season premiere of  Law and Order SVU (something that no prime time drama has ever done) with a 0.7 and 3.84 million viewers.  

Friday, on CBS, the trio of Hawaii Five-0, Magnum PI, and Blue Bloods, were around 0.6-0.7 with 6 million for the first two, and 7.5 million for Blue Bloods  On ABC American Housewife at 0.7 and 3.39 million viewers and Fresh Off the Boat (0.5, 2.44 million) were followed by two episodes of 20/20 (average 0.55 and 3.25 million)  NBC ran a repeat of Bluff City Law (0.4, 2.70 million) then two episodes of Dateline (average 0.6 and 3.60 million viewers).  Fox heavily promoted WWE smackdown and got a 0.4 demo, with only 1.39 million viewers.  At 9 PM FOX ran a repeat of Prodigal Son to a 0.3 with 1.27 million viewers.  

It has not been pretty. Only one series broke a 2.0 (The Masked Singer), only one series broke 10 Million viewers (NCIS), and only one new series was above a 1.0 (Prodigal Son).  I would not want to be a broadcast network executive this year, or in the years ahead.  

[chucky]

3 hours ago, Tensor said:

Ratings are tanking across the board so far this year, a quick calculation shows the average premiere is down 30-40 percent.  

On Monday, none of CBS' shows cracked a 1.0.  The Neighborhood was high at 0.9.  On NBC, The Voice was at 1.7, 911 was at 1.5.  On ABC, The Good Doctor and Fox's Prodigal Son were at 1.0.   

On Tuesday,   on NBC, This is Us had a 3.0 last year and a 1.8 this year, down 40%.  The Voice was at 1.5 (down 40%).   On ABC, The Conners, with the highest comedy rating of 1.3, was off  by 1.1 points (45%) from last year (2.4).   The rest of ABC's lineup was either 0.8 or 0.9.  On Fox, the new Show the resident was at 0.9 and  Empire,  was down 0.9 points at 1.0, from a 1.9, down 49%.  Neither of Fox's shows hit four million.  CBS had a fairly good night, with NCIS flat at 1.3, but it's been the only show over 10 million viewers, at 12.24.

On Wednesday, ABC struggled with The Goldbergs and Modern Family  at 1.0 (but both were under 5 million viewers, Modern Family barely making it at 4.04 million. Their other two new comedies Schooled and Single Parents came in at  0.8 and 0.7, but Schooled was under four million (3.48) and Single Parents was under three million (2.87).  Their new show at 10 PM, Stumptown only had a 0.7, but at 4.53 million was the highest viewed show on the network, beating The Goldberg's by 80 thousand viewers.   On CBS,  both Survivor and Big Brother ran 90 minutes, and were both around 1.2-1.3 demo.  Survivor had around 6 million viewers and Big Brother had around 4.5 million.  NBC ran Chicago First Responders (Med, Fire, PD) and all were somewhere around 1.2 with Med and Fire around 7.5 million with PD at 6.5 million.  The big winner on Wednesday was Fox, with The Masked Singer pulling in around a 2.5 demo, with around 8 million viewers.  

Thursday for CBS wasn't bad, with YS at 1.0 and Mom at 0.8, and their new shows, The Unicorn (0.8) and Carol's Second Act at 0.7).  YS was over 8 million viewers and the other three at 6 million.  At 10 PM the new show Evil brought in a0.7 with 4.5 million.   ABC had a good night with Grey's Anatomy at 1.6 and the new Show A Million Little Pieces at 1.0, with Grey's around 6.5 million and Pieces at 5 million.  How to Get Away with Murder was at 0.6 but only 2.5 million viewers.   Fox had Football,  and on NBC Thursday was a complete disaster.  Leading off the night was Superstore, with a 0.8 and only 2.86 million viewers.  This was followed by the new show Perfect Harmony (0.5, 2.63 million), The Good Place, (0.7, 2.42 million) and the new show Sunnyside at 0.4, and only 1.77 million people.  It picked up at 10 PM with the 21 season premiere of  Law and Order SVU (something that no prime time drama has ever done) with a 0.7 and 3.84 million viewers.  

Friday, on CBS, the trio of Hawaii Five-0, Magnum PI, and Blue Bloods, were around 0.6-0.7 with 6 million for the first two, and 7.5 million for Blue Bloods  On ABC American Housewife at 0.7 and 3.39 million viewers and Fresh Off the Boat (0.5, 2.44 million) were followed by two episodes of 20/20 (average 0.55 and 3.25 million)  NBC ran a repeat of Bluff City Law (0.4, 2.70 million) then two episodes of Dateline (average 0.6 and 3.60 million viewers).  Fox heavily promoted WWE smackdown and got a 0.4 demo, with only 1.39 million viewers.  At 9 PM FOX ran a repeat of Prodigal Son to a 0.3 with 1.27 million viewers.  

It has not been pretty. Only one series broke a 2.0 (The Masked Singer), only one series broke 10 Million viewers (NCIS), and only one new series was above a 1.0 (Prodigal Son).  I would not want to be a broadcast network executive this year, or in the years ahead.  

Thanks! That's why you're the numbers Guru!

[3ku11]

Was Tbbt a ratings phenomena? Just it’s constant numbers. 

[Tensor]

What do you mean skull?  And at what time in it's run?   It's first season, it was not better than an average show (a 3.26 back then).  It wasn't until season 3 that it's ratings took off, and although it took a drop in the fourth season (it was opening up a new night of comedy for CBS and it was up against American Idol, near it's peak.  It was during season five that the show started to become a ratings phenomena.  

[Die Zimtzicke]

On 9/27/2019 at 8:21 PM, chucky said:

Not me! I got my comments in on that subject and now I am done. 

LOL! You've been saying that since the show started.

[chucky]

7 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

LOL! You've been saying that since the show started.

Yeah, but now I'm completely done with it. That show, in my opinion, is not worth wasting my time on anymore.

Edited September 29, 2019 by chucky

[joyceraye]

I'm not sure I understand the posts about ratings.

Are you saying shows going out on normal TV aren't getting enough viewers to make it profitable for companies to produce them ?

The figures mean very little to me. On this side of the pond we have to pay regardless. Season 12 is coming to Netflix on Tuesday but there's a channel that shows repeats of TBBT episodes several times a day anyway. If we want Netflix we have to pay extra for it but the TV channel comes as standard with whatever digital service we're subscribing to. I assume the channel pays the CBS for TBBT  irrespective of who they think is watching.

YS  season 3 starts next week, BTW so I suppose that means the US is only having a two-week gap before Christmas. 

[Tensor]

4 hours ago, joyceraye said:

I'm not sure I understand the posts about ratings.

Are you saying shows going out on normal TV aren't getting enough viewers to make it profitable for companies to produce them ?

The figures mean very little to me. On this side of the pond we have to pay regardless. Season 12 is coming to Netflix on Tuesday but there's a channel that shows repeats of TBBT episodes several times a day anyway. If we want Netflix we have to pay extra for it but the TV channel comes as standard with whatever digital service we're subscribing to. I assume the channel pays the CBS for TBBT  irrespective of who they think is watching.

YS  season 3 starts next week, BTW so I suppose that means the US is only having a two-week gap before Christmas. 

 

Joyce, in the US, there are free broadcast stations that are part of a network(that some of these can be found on Cable or streaming is mostly irirrelevant).  ABC, NBC, FOX and CBS are in that category.  Each of these has stations in various markets that belong to that network.  In my area, the CBS network station is WTSP.   There are also independent stations that are not part of a network (one of them, where I live, is WMOR).   

These stations are broadcast over the air (think radio), and anyone having an antenna and receiver can get that channel.  There is no cost for this, except for buying the equipment.   These channels are supported by commercials.   How much is paid for those commercials is dependent on how many viewers are watching a particular show.  

How much a network, or independent station can charge for a commercial is closely tied to the shows ratings, mostly in the 18-49 demo.  Because of this, networks and independents (who run mostly repeats), look for the highest rated show they can run, to get the most money.  Last year, TBBT was bringing in about $285,000 for every 30 seconds of commercials (one reason CBS ran TBBT for 31 minutes, was so they could charge TBBT rates for and extra minute.  Mom, for example was bringing in about $140,000 per 30 second spot.   

If, a show has very low ratings, the network won't get enough to cover the cost of production, and this is where shows get cancelled.   Or, if the network decides that they can bring in a new show, that will have better ratings (and so bring in more money) they will cancel a current show, for the new one.  Net works also move shows around, hoping to find a spot that will bring in the most viewers, and thus more money for commercials.  This is why ratings are so closely watched.  Billions of dollars of decisions and ad revenue is based on the ratings.

During TBBT's premiere season, back in 2007-08, it averaged a 3.23 in the 18-49 demo.  It finished almost exactly on the number of an average, for all shows.   It's last year, it had a 2.23 and was the highest rated scripted show, and was one of three shows above a 2.00.  This year there is only one show above a 2.00, so far.   Ratings have been falling for the last 20 years, and this years drop, so far,  is particularly concerning, because of the large amount of drop.

If you have any questions about ratings or what they mean, please let me know.  

 

[Mario D.]

2 hours ago, Tensor said:

 

Joyce, in the US, there are free broadcast stations that are part of a network(that some of these can be found on Cable or streaming is mostly irirrelevant).  ABC, NBC, FOX and CBS are in that category.  Each of these has stations in various markets that belong to that network.  In my area, the CBS network station is WTSP.   There are also independent stations that are not part of a network (one of them, where I live, is WMOR).   

These stations are broadcast over the air (think radio), and anyone having an antenna and receiver can get that channel.  There is no cost for this, except for buying the equipment.   These channels are supported by commercials.   How much is paid for those commercials is dependent on how many viewers are watching a particular show.  

How much a network, or independent station can charge for a commercial is closely tied to the shows ratings, mostly in the 18-49 demo.  Because of this, networks and independents (who run mostly repeats), look for the highest rated show they can run, to get the most money.  Last year, TBBT was bringing in about $285,000 for every 30 seconds of commercials (one reason CBS ran TBBT for 31 minutes, was so they could charge TBBT rates for and extra minute.  Mom, for example was bringing in about $140,000 per 30 second spot.   

If, a show has very low ratings, the network won't get enough to cover the cost of production, and this is where shows get cancelled.   Or, if the network decides that they can bring in a new show, that will have better ratings (and so bring in more money) they will cancel a current show, for the new one.  Net works also move shows around, hoping to find a spot that will bring in the most viewers, and thus more money for commercials.  This is why ratings are so closely watched.  Billions of dollars of decisions and ad revenue is based on the ratings.

During TBBT's premiere season, back in 2007-08, it averaged a 3.23 in the 18-49 demo.  It finished almost exactly on the number of an average, for all shows.   It's last year, it had a 2.23 and was the highest rated scripted show, and was one of three shows above a 2.00.  This year there is only one show above a 2.00, so far.   Ratings have been falling for the last 20 years, and this years drop, so far,  is particularly concerning, because of the large amount of drop.

If you have any questions about ratings or what they mean, please let me know.  

 

Tensor,  do you think the drop in ratings is due to the influx of cable and streaming services?  It seems that way as these services dominated the Emmy awards and will network tv be a thing of the past in the future?

[chucky]

7 hours ago, Tensor said:

 

Joyce, in the US, there are free broadcast stations that are part of a network(that some of these can be found on Cable or streaming is mostly irirrelevant).  ABC, NBC, FOX and CBS are in that category.  Each of these has stations in various markets that belong to that network.  In my area, the CBS network station is WTSP.   There are also independent stations that are not part of a network (one of them, where I live, is WMOR).   

These stations are broadcast over the air (think radio), and anyone having an antenna and receiver can get that channel.  There is no cost for this, except for buying the equipment.   These channels are supported by commercials.   How much is paid for those commercials is dependent on how many viewers are watching a particular show.  

How much a network, or independent station can charge for a commercial is closely tied to the shows ratings, mostly in the 18-49 demo.  Because of this, networks and independents (who run mostly repeats), look for the highest rated show they can run, to get the most money.  Last year, TBBT was bringing in about $285,000 for every 30 seconds of commercials (one reason CBS ran TBBT for 31 minutes, was so they could charge TBBT rates for and extra minute.  Mom, for example was bringing in about $140,000 per 30 second spot.   

If, a show has very low ratings, the network won't get enough to cover the cost of production, and this is where shows get cancelled.   Or, if the network decides that they can bring in a new show, that will have better ratings (and so bring in more money) they will cancel a current show, for the new one.  Net works also move shows around, hoping to find a spot that will bring in the most viewers, and thus more money for commercials.  This is why ratings are so closely watched.  Billions of dollars of decisions and ad revenue is based on the ratings.

During TBBT's premiere season, back in 2007-08, it averaged a 3.23 in the 18-49 demo.  It finished almost exactly on the number of an average, for all shows.   It's last year, it had a 2.23 and was the highest rated scripted show, and was one of three shows above a 2.00.  This year there is only one show above a 2.00, so far.   Ratings have been falling for the last 20 years, and this years drop, so far,  is particularly concerning, because of the large amount of drop.

If you have any questions about ratings or what they mean, please let me know.  

 

You're the best.

[Tensor]

1 hour ago, chucky said:

You're the best.

I try.

[Tensor]

6 hours ago, Mario D. said:

Tensor,  do you think the drop in ratings is due to the influx of cable and streaming services?  It seems that way as these services dominated the Emmy awards and will network tv be a thing of the past in the future?

It's a combination of things.   You have to remember that early cable was mostly local over the air channels, a few superstations, and premium cable.  As more and more different channels were started, in the 90s, viewers had more and more choices as far as what to watch.   With so many different choices, there was bound to be something, besides broadcast that someone might wish to watch.     

You also have to factor in the internet.  As the internet matured and people connected to it, people were finding their entertainment on the internet, instead of on TV.   I am not talking about streaming here.    Using me as an example, at the height of this forum, and before I was even a mod,  I was spending 2-3 hours a night here, and 2-3 hours a night at a science forum, time I wasn't watching television.  Others have similar stories, but probably for different things.  On-line gaming also took away from people watching TV. 

Now, you have the cord-cutters who don't have cable, or antenna's, and get their TV through their streaming service, on their computer (my daughter is like this).   I have my streaming services, and some cable channels that I get from the streaming service, and I have an antenna).  But most of the cord cutters, don't have broadcast.

And then you have those that continue to watch  TV the way God intended, over the air, through an antenna, and on a television.  My neighbor falls into that category.  Most of these are elderly, and their numbers get fewer and fewer every year.  

So, here is the simplified reasons:

1. You have those who chose to watch various channels, (like TBS, TCM, BBC, HBO, ESPN, etc), through their cable system, rather than watching broadcast channels.

2.  You have those who are spending time on the internet, rather than watching broadcast networks.

3. You have the cord cutters, who don't watch or even have access to the broadcast networks (and if they do, they are probably streaming from the network archive), or are watching their streaming services.  

4. Finally, yo have those who actually watch the networks, but as these tend to be older, their numbers are getting smaller.  

Hope this makes sense.