[Spoilers] Season 12 Discussion Thread

[djsurrey]

23 minutes ago, kbp said:

i don't think hes that unhappy about i think hes got another things going on i just saying this has to be affecting  a lot this comments and people blaming  him it would have affect him a lot  isn't ys warner bros that could affect to so there a lot  he could  lose to time will tell but still buying all of this someone got to come out soonerall later and let the fans know everyone so quiet its seems so weird that's my thoughts on everthing

No reasonable person would be mad over this IMO. I expect the focus will be making a good last season. Everyone involved has been blessed with a great run.

Most any problem on facebook is a problem with the way that platform works.

Edited August 25, 2018 by djsurrey

[veejay]

57 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

I’m not sure about this. We had Star Trek and it stopped. Then endless spinoffs. 

YS is designed to be stand-alone. It’s like a child - it needed a parent but eventually it should carry on by itself.  It is too risky a business proposition for the planners to expect otherwise. And the re-runs of TBBT will proxy for new episodes. 

Well. That might be possible, but I rather think that most of the current viewers of YS are only there through TBBT and will vanish in the wide TV - nirvana after the end of the mother ship. From my personal point of view (though I have to admit, I only watched two episodes out of curiosity), the comedy potential of YS is not close to TBBT and the target group also seems to me to be a completely different one.

[djsurrey]

4 minutes ago, veejay said:

Well. That might be possible, but I rather think that most of the current viewers of YS are only there through TBBT and will vanish in the wide TV - nirvana after the end of the mother ship. From my personal point of view (though I have to admit, I only watched two episodes out of curiosity), the comedy potential of YS is not close to TBBT and the target group also seems to me to be a completely different one.

They got a whole season two with which to try to catch more viewers.

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Mr. Rostenkowski: It's gonna be okay, son.
Howard: You really think so?
Mr. Rostenkowski: Of course. A pretty girl like Bernadette, she'll find a new guy.

 

[veejay]

6 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

They got a whole season two with which to try to catch more viewers.

 

Of course they'll try! LOL

[Nogravitasatall]

29 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

No reasonable person would be mad over this IMO. I expect the focus will be making a good last season. Everyone involved has been blessed with a great run.

Most any problem on facebook is a problem with the way that platform works.

And people thought Goldman Sachs was the vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity.

facebook - unsafe at any speed.

[chucky]

2 minutes ago, veejay said:

Of course they'll try! LOL

A Yoda once said "Do or do not, there is no try". Penny also quoted Yoda before the heart breaking breakup with Leonard.

[bfm]

Okay here are some thoughts I had after reading all of the recent comments here:

1. Who says the production decided that if Jim and only Jim doesn't want to continue then it's over? Maybe they would have done the same were it Johnny or Kaley. We don't know. At this point I think every character being written out would change the show vastly, though to different extents. Maybe Raj would make the least impact. I think even Melissa's maternal leave made a difference. I totally understand TBBT won't be TBBT without Sheldon, even if we were in the first seasons. The same goes, IMO, for Leonard and Penny. I wouldn't want a TBBT without Sheldon. Maybe a spin-off with these characters and no Sheldon or Sheldon and Amy, but not TBBT. Although the spin-off I would most like to see at this point is one of their children as young adults. 

2. I'm not at all sure Jim was the only one who wanted out. I think Johnny could have made a similar decision after more negotiations and consideration. I also haven't seen anything from him regarding all of this. Maybe it's because he can identify with Jim, who knows. It's a pitty Jim is getting all the fire.

3. I think it is better having fans who are upset the show is ending than having no one upset about that. If the latter happened it would be an indication the show has gone wayyyy downhill and will end in disgrace. 

4. I totally respect Jim's decision, I think him having YS makes it even more brave and shows integrity, and I think it is better for the show to end with season 12. Of course it makes me sad but I think it would have just remain stagnant and repetitive. 

Edited August 25, 2018 by bfm
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[KripkeRules]

7 hours ago, Shelldon said:

I'm legitimately surprised  people  think Sheldon can be written out. 

What would they do for 20 minutes without Sheldon?

Thanks. And I'm legitimately surprised after some people calling this show as "The Sheldon show" for years, now, it suddenly became an ensemble. LMAO. 

 

[Tripper]

I would hope this late in the run they would have been averse to making any cast changes, but particularly the main three. I think of other shows which made cast changes late in the game like That '70s Show and Scrubs to make another season. While it may seem pleasing beforehand to know you're going to get more episodes, I think you end up looking back at two different shows: the show as it was and then an unnecessary addendum. An addition that in your mind separates from the show you loved. Not to pick on Scrubs, but in my mind there eight seasons and then something else - worth watching when it aired, but quickly forgotten and not worth revisiting.

I totally understand the feeling that more episodes, no matter what, are better than facing the impending end. But I think any changes made to the show at this point would just become a disappointing footnote. We'd get a Season 13 but with an asterisk by its name. A couple of years later, when the end still inevitably arrived, would it have been worth it? Clearly we don't know what the response would have been if a different actor had called time, but I would like to believe it would have been the same. I would hope they felt limping to the finish line with an altered cast is not the way to go out.

I can't say I understand the hostility toward an actor for reportedly wanting to stop after twelve years, a tremendous length of time, when continuing would have been the easy thing to do. Why not take the money and just show up? When somebody chooses not to, I think it's worthy of respect even if you're disappointed. I think the same applies to deciding not to retool the show to keep it going at all costs.

[Die Zimtzicke]

13 hours ago, MsGreentea said:

What exactly have they done to him?  Or threatened to do to him?  Being upset is not vengeance.  Anyway those entities are in the power position 99.99% of the time.

They are letting him take sole blame for the show ending, apparently, which is probably not true. I am sure there were other factors involved and other cast members on the fence about signing. And even if it was him alone, which I doubt, he at least told them early enough that they could plan the season.

[joyceraye]

52 minutes ago, Tripper said:

I think the same applies to deciding not to retool the show to keep it going at all costs.

Exactly.If 'at all costs' means changing the very premise of the years leading up to it, the costs can be too great.

In 'Allo 'Allo  they decided to get new actors for two of the main roles after the original ones had got jobs elsewhere, thinking the series was going to end. The decision to carry on did no harm and the changes worked well enough with second-best. With Goodnight Sweetheart you could hardly see the join once you got used to the new actresses.

Little Mosque on the Prairie, however, was a great disappointment ! Definitely not worth it. The way they contrived the plots to explain the absence of two of the leads and the arrival of new ones negated the reasons the series had been popular - hence the demand for an extra season - in the first place. They should have quit while they were winning. 

If they did retool, IMHO it should be with new series and new titles and a fair enough length of run to get audiences used to them.

[chucky]

2 hours ago, bfm said:

Okay here are some thoughts I had after reading all of the recent comments here:

1. Who says the production decided that if Jim and only Jim doesn't want to continue then it's over? Maybe they would have done the same were it Johnny or Kaley. We don't know. At this point I think every character being written out would change the show vastly, though to different extents. Maybe Raj would make the least impact. I think even Melissa's maternal leave made a difference. I totally understand TBBT won't be TBBT without Sheldon, even if we were in the first seasons. The same goes, IMO, for Leonard and Penny. I wouldn't want a TBBT without Sheldon. Maybe a spin-off with these characters and no Sheldon or Sheldon and Amy, but not TBBT. Although the spin-off I would most like to see at this point is one of their children as young adults. 

2. I'm not at all sure Jim was the only one who wanted out. I think Johnny could have made a similar decision after more negotiations and consideration. I also haven't seen anything from him regarding all of this. Maybe it's because he can identify with Jim, who knows. It's a pitty Jim is getting all the fire.

3. I think it is better having fans who are upset the show is ending than having no one upset about that. If the latter happened it would be an indication the show has gone wayyyy downhills and will end in disgrace. 

4. I totally respect Jim's decision, I think him having YS makes it even more brave and shows integrity, and I think it is better for the show to end with season 12. Of course it makes me sad but I think it would have just remain stagnant and repetitive. 

I find no fault with your assessments and Totally agree!  

[Burberry]

4 hours ago, veejay said:

but I rather think that most of the current viewers of YS are only there through TBBT

I can agree, and that’s where i think the show is going to go downhill 

[Die Zimtzicke]

3 hours ago, bfm said:

1. Who says the production decided that if Jim and only Jim doesn't want to continue then it's over? Maybe they would have done the same were it Johnny or Kaley. We don't know.

They would have done the same thing. I am basing this on reports like the deadline report, which said that Jim stood up at Lorre's request and said he wasn't continuing, and Lorre then said the show was ending because he would not continue without any of the three leads. Jim decided first, so he got the flak.
https://deadline.com/2018/08/big-bang-theory-decision-jim-parsons-chuck-lorre-12-seasons-cbs-1202451333/

[bfm]

2 hours ago, Tripper said:

I would hope this late in the run they would have been averse to making any cast changes, but particularly the main three. I think of other shows which made cast changes late in the game like That '70s Show and Scrubs to make another season. While it may seem pleasing beforehand to know you're going to get more episodes, I think you end up looking back at two different shows: the show as it was and then an unnecessary addendum. An addition that in your mind separates from the show you loved. Not to pick on Scrubs, but in my mind there eight seasons and then something else - worth watching when it aired, but quickly forgotten and not worth revisiting.

I totally understand the feeling that more episodes, no matter what, are better than facing the impending end. But I think any changes made to the show at this point would just become a disappointing footnote. We'd get a Season 13 but with an asterisk by its name. A couple of years later, when the end still inevitably arrived, would it have been worth it? Clearly we don't know what the response would have been if a different actor had called time, but I would like to believe it would have been the same. I would hope they felt limping to the finish line with an altered cast is not the way to go out.

I can't say I understand the hostility toward an actor for reportedly wanting to stop after twelve years, a tremendous length of time, when continuing would have been the easy thing to do. Why not take the money and just show up? When somebody chooses not to, I think it's worthy of respect even if you're disappointed. I think the same applies to deciding not to retool the show to keep it going at all costs.

I agree, I watched both "Scrubs" and "That '70s Show" and their last seasons were like nice and very mediocre (respectively) spin-offs, not a part of the show. At least with "Scrubs" they made it more about the new characters, I think that made it better than continuing with what's left of the prior "gang" as the center of the show. 

4 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

They would have done the same thing. I am basing this on reports like the deadline report, which said that Jim stood up at Lorre's request and said he wasn't continuing, and Lorre then said the show was ending because he would not continue without any of the three leads. Jim decided first, so he got the flak.
https://deadline.com/2018/08/big-bang-theory-decision-jim-parsons-chuck-lorre-12-seasons-cbs-1202451333/

It says Lorre had "publicly" said that, I'm not sure where they got this from and I don't know if and how much of these reports is true so it's all speculations for me.

[Andy_90's_generation]

So much negativity guys, come on! 

Kunal wrote a heartfelt comment on Jim's post. So did mayim, even though the press (the hyenas in this jungle) highlighted her blog post only, where she says she's not happy with the show ending. Same goes for John ross. Whenever kaley posts something, jim likes it, Melissa, same thing... The cast never addressed any rumor about them, even though they're vast and multicolor. It's how they handle this things. And I don't know t what extent lorre can be sooooo mad about the show ending... I do believe however all the rumors and the 'i hear" "i was told' blah blah some articles brag about is half invented because this is hot right now and half infor leaked from the high powers that yes they will lose money with this. Because that's how the corporation works and to hell if one single actor is getting all the sh*t.

As for the taping... If my idol all this years is jim and I get to see him at a taping... Would i get mad at him or ask him for a picture? I don't think ppl will what, boo him? Nah...

All this is IMO 90% the press, that always ALWAYS waited with the finger over the keyboard for some real sh*t to appear on tbbt they could stick their fangs into, and this is it.

[Burberry]

I’m telling you Ashton Kutcher is the best choice 😛

[Die Zimtzicke]

1 hour ago, bfm said:

I agree, I watched both "Scrubs" and "That '70s Show" and their last seasons were like nice and very mediocre (respectively) spin-offs, not a part of the show. At least with "Scrubs" they made it more about the new characters, I think that made it better than continuing with what's left of the prior "gang" as the center of the show. 

I didn't watch scrubs but the last seasons of that 70's show were pitiful to me.

Giving it more thought, does anyone remember MASH ending? (I am old.) I thought some of them were willing to go on but Alan Alda didn't and they called it because they didn't want to go on without him. Is that a precedent for this? Of course they had already had a lot of changes and might have thought that one would be the last straw.

Edited August 25, 2018 by Die Zimtzicke

[bfm]

14 minutes ago, Burberry said:

I’m telling you Ashton Kutcher is the best choice 😛

What would be your plot for that? Sheldon gets hurt but finds a way to transfer his brain into a hottie's body? LOL 

[mirs1]

3 minutes ago, bfm said:

What would be your plot for that? Sheldon gets hurt but finds a way to transfer his brain into a hottie's body? LOL 

Then somehow he returns for the final episode but we can't properly see him because a piano crashes on him, LOL!

[Burberry]

7 minutes ago, bfm said:

What would be your plot for that? Sheldon gets hurt but finds a way to transfer his brain into a hottie's body? LOL 

Exactly! 

Ashton Kutcher can replace two quitters 

everything his brain quirks and weirdness all in a hottie body

Edited August 25, 2018 by Burberry

[chucky]

50 minutes ago, Burberry said:

Exactly! 

Ashton Kutcher can replace two quitters 

everything his brain quirks and weirdness all in a hottie body

Hate to tell you, but have to disagree. Ashton Kutcher may be a fine actor, but not for TBBT.

[BobtheBlob]

1 hour ago, Burberry said:

Exactly! 

Ashton Kutcher can replace two quitters 

everything his brain quirks and weirdness all in a hottie body

 

Okay a couple of things. Please stop your tirade. Ashton Kutcher ain't gonna be Sheldon and there will be no Season 13.

Also you need to get your facts straight before posting. Charlie Sheen did not quit Two and a Half Men; he was fired for drug abuse. And also Jim never quit either, he was more than likely approached by an Chuck Lorre who had already made up his mind about ending the show and Jim unfortunately seems like the fall person who agreed with Lorre when the question was posed to him if he wanted to continue on and the media (who has at best a 75% success rate when it comes to news about movies and tv shows), are dragging him through the dirt, when really it is a producer and creators idea of when they would like to end a series, not an actors.

So please stop. Please

 

 

[Swedish Chef]

I really don't get why people are upset, mad or whatever on Jim.

He has been devoted to the show for twelve years and has had great success in the past. Now he feels that it is time to do something else in his life so people should cheer him on and wish him good luck and not hate him. That the show now is on it's final season is for me no surprise at all, because Tbbt can't go on forever no tv-shows does that.  

 

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

I really don't get why people are upset, mad or whatever on Jim.
He has been devoted to the show for twelve years and has had great success in the past. Now he feels that it is time to do something else in his life so people should cheer him on and wish him good luck and not hate him. That the show now is on it's final season is for me no surprise at all, because Tbbt can't go on forever no tv-shows does that.  
 

Except for The Simpsons lol


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