[Spoilers] Season 12 Dark Lenny Thread

[veejay]

28 minutes ago, Zephon75 said:

Exactly and this is probably why in season eleven we never got to see Lenny share a kiss or hug and no bed scenes, instead gave all these things  to the Shamy instead so they would appear to the more romantic couple.

Although I basically share your perception, I had a pretty good feeling about Lenny.

In contrast to season 10, the united front was very frequently perceptible, well, for me. 😊

  

[chucky]

31 minutes ago, Zephon75 said:

Exactly and this is probably why in season eleven we never got to see Lenny share a kiss or hug and no bed scenes, instead gave all these things  to the Shamy instead so they would appear to the more romantic couple.

Well, Sheldon does claim that shamy is the best couple, according to that magazine quiz.

[veejay]

22 minutes ago, chucky said:

Well, Sheldon does claim that shamy is the best couple, according to that magazine quiz.

These writers will never succeed in selling Shamy as a romantic couple on me. This is completely ridiculous!

[chucky]

12 hours ago, veejay said:

These writers will never succeed in selling Shamy as a romantic couple on me. This is completely ridiculous!

Yeah, the writers are truly off their rockers. An agreement for time and day for relationshjp activities is border line moronic. But then we are talking about Sheldon. What's next, a marriage agreement? I'm betting he stayed up all night on their wedding night composing the wedding agreement contract. I'm also betting it's slanted in his favor.

Edited August 18, 2018 by chucky

[veejay]

5 minutes ago, chucky said:

Yeah, the writers are truly off their rockers. An agreement for time and day for relationshjp activities is border line moronic. But then we are talking about Sheldon. What's next, a marriage agreement? I'm betting he stayed up all night on their wedding night composing the wedding agreement contract. I'm betting it's slanted in his favor.

That actually would be a great theme for the 1st episode, right? So touching and scientific. 😉

[chucky]

2 minutes ago, veejay said:

That actually would be a great theme for the 1st episode, right? So touching and scientific. 😉

That would be positively amazing!  😊

[bfm]

10 minutes ago, chucky said:

Yeah, the writers are truly off their rockers. An agreement for time and day for relationshjp activities is border line moronic. But then we are talking about Sheldon. What's next, a marriage agreement? I'm betting he stayed up all night on their wedding night composing the wedding agreement contract. I'm betting it's slanted in his favor.

People are different and so they have different expectations, desires and things that work for them in a relationship. Of course I'm not supporting an uneven relationship, but if contracts help Sheldon, then as long as things are fine and fair to Amy so be it.

[chucky]

1 minute ago, bfm said:

People are different and so they have different expectations, desires and things that work for them in a relationship. Of course I'm not supporting an uneven relationship, but if contracts help Sheldon, then as long as things are fine and fair to Amy so be it.

When has a Sheldon Cooper contract been fair to anyone but Sheldon?

[JohnPhD]

34 minutes ago, chucky said:

Yeah, the writers are truly off their rockers. An agreement for time and day for relationshjp activities is border line moronic. But then we are talking about Sheldon. What's next, a marriage agreement? I'm betting he stayed up all night on their wedding night composing the wedding agreement contract. I'm betting it's slanted in his favor.

Actually marriage is a contract. There's a default version in each legal system that most couples implicitly accept. It used to be quite common for people of property to have bespoke marriage contracts - in England at any rate.

[chucky]

1 minute ago, JohnPhD said:

Actually marriage is a contract. There's a default version in each legal system that most couples implicitly accept. It used to be quite common for people of property to have bespoke marriage contracts - in England at any rate.

Be that as it may, we're talking Sheldon Cooper here, he will compose his own contract, which Amy will think is magical.

[veejay]

11 minutes ago, chucky said:

Be that as it may, we're talking Sheldon Cooper here, he will compose his own contract, which Amy will think is magical.

Sorry, but I couldn't resist. LOL

[bfm]

48 minutes ago, chucky said:

When has a Sheldon Cooper contract been fair to anyone but Sheldon?

Who knows what contract they go by now. Some Shamys think they didn't renew the relatonship agreement after they got back together. I don't think so, but maybe a modified one. 

[April]

6 minutes ago, bfm said:

Who knows what contract they go by now. Some Shamys think they didn't renew the relatonship agreement after they got back together. I don't think so, but maybe a modified one. 

There was an interview back then where Molaro said they didn't have one and was pondering whether or not to do a story about them drafting a new one but that never happened so who the hell knows anymore?!

[Zephon75]

11 minutes ago, April said:

There was an interview back then where Molaro said they didn't have one and was pondering whether or not to do a story about them drafting a new one but that never happened so who the hell knows anymore?!

Well in 10x13 Amy mentions the relationship agreement , and not in the past tense but as if they still have one.

Edited August 18, 2018 by Zephon75

[April]

6 minutes ago, Zephon75 said:

Well in 10x13 Amy mentions the relationship agreement , and not in the past tense but as if they still have one.

And in the same episode Lenny get a RA - do you still think that is still on, too? The episode really seems like an outlier that no writer ever did anything useful with so Idk if that's confirmation for a Shamy RA one way or another.

[bfm]

1 hour ago, April said:

And in the same episode Lenny get a RA - do you still think that is still on, too? The episode really seems like an outlier that no writer ever did anything useful with so Idk if that's confirmation for a Shamy RA one way or another.

I personally think that episode should be destoryed and it's exsitence should be denied. It makes no sense at all.

Edited August 18, 2018 by bfm

[veejay]

10 minutes ago, bfm said:

I personally think that episode should be destoryed and it's exsitence should be denied. It makes no sense at all.

Absolutely!
Since the smallest details, plausibility and continuity are often taken care of us, I would also like to mention this episode of Season 9 - The Viewing Party Combustion!

[Jonny]

2 hours ago, bfm said:

Who knows what contract they go by now. Some Shamys think they didn't renew the relatonship agreement after they got back together. I don't think so, but maybe a modified one. 

IIRC there was some evidence that it was 'past tense', Viewing Party being one.  Obviously then we got the proof that they were still in one when he made one for Leonard and Penny.  But it was used for a gag so who knows if they still do have one, if a storyline or gag needs it then I guess it will be mentioned.

There are very mixed feelings in the Shamy community about RA's and always have been.  Personally, I shifted from seeing it as an essential thing that had to be done for the Shamy relationship to actually progress (it was also a major source of the show's comedy) to a restrictive document that caused them to break up.  At the time of their break up I was of the mindset that if they were to get back together he would have to ditch it, that there would be no reconciliation between them if it was still in place.

I'm not a fan of it now, not after how far i've seen Sheldon come, how he is flexible now when it comes to change and not stuck in his 'homeostasis', to be quite frank I don't think he needs one now.  In fact I think their relationship would be even healthier if he didn't have one, a document like that no matter how amended or even beneficial to his partner will always every so often bring up an issue that can cause a strain in a relationship.

It was a major disappointment to me to hear that he created one for their children, though the caveat would be if their children are very much like him then perhaps a contract might actually help them, but if they aren't like him (not on some undefined spectrum, and not suffering from issues to do with interacting with people) then I don't see the point.

The RA is a highly contentious issue.

Edited August 18, 2018 by Jonny

[bfm]

1 hour ago, veejay said:

Absolutely!
Since the smallest details, plausibility and continuity are often taken care of us, I would also like to mention this episode of Season 9 - The Viewing Party Combustion!

These two don't make sense all around! not just the small details.

1 hour ago, Jonny said:

IIRC there was some evidence that it was 'past tense', Viewing Party being one.  Obviously then we got the proof that they were still in one when he made one for Leonard and Penny.  But it was used for a gag so who knows if they still do have one, if a storyline or gag needs it then I guess it will be mentioned.

There are very mixed feelings in the Shamy community about RA's and always have been.  Personally, I shifted from seeing it as an essential thing that had to be done for the Shamy relationship to actually progress (it was also a major source of the show's comedy) to a restrictive document that caused them to break up.  At the time of their break up I was of the mindset that if they were to get back together he would have to ditch it, that there would be no reconciliation between them if it was still in place.

I'm not a fan of it now, not after how far i've seen Sheldon come, how he is flexible now when it comes to change and not stuck in his 'homeostasis', to be quite frank I don't think he needs one now.  In fact I think their relationship would be even healthier if he didn't have one, a document like that no matter how amended or even beneficial to his partner will always every so often bring up an issue that can cause a strain in a relationship.

It was a major disappointment to me to hear that he created one for their children, though the caveat would be if their children are very much like him then perhaps a contract might actually help them, but if they aren't like him (not on some undefined spectrum, and not suffering from issues to do with interacting with people) then I don't see the point.

The RA is a highly contentious issue.

It could be an agreement thatis not very restrictive but ensures certai  things like taking care of your partner(/child) when they're ill, calling when one is away, some activities to take place at least x times and things like that. Who knows. If it makes Sheldon feel better, is fair and accepted by Amy and is amenable f changes when needed, then I'm fine with it. 

I took the agreements with children to my fic (chapter 3). Sheldon is somewhat rigid about some things in that chapter but there's a clause that kind of allows for whatever changes that are needed for them.

 

The Lenny RA was to me absurd and completely unnecessary. I think it was mostly for the gag and that they don't use it at all. 

[chucky]

3 hours ago, bfm said:

Who knows what contract they go by now.

You're right. The writers aren't saying as they seem to be trying to make Sheldon more normal.

[veejay]

46 minutes ago, bfm said:

These two don't make sense all around! not just the small details.

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The Lenny RA was to me absurd and completely unnecessary. I think it was mostly for the gag and that they don't use it at all. 

Again, absolute consent!

[chucky]

5 minutes ago, Jonny said:

As a parent you don't/shouldn't at all need a piece of paper commitment to your children, sorry we will never ever agree on this even factoring Sheldon's personality, traits and who he is.

I'm not an RA fan, others may think differently.

Your right, you shouldn't it, but, at the same This is Sheldon, a fictional character with issues. So it's normal and within his character have an agreement with his children to point out their duties and responsibilities, as well as, expected behavior. 

3 minutes ago, veejay said:

Again, absolute consent!

Ahhh, the episode where Penny had her head up her butt and took Sheldon's side in the argument. Another episode with no resolution to the problem. Just Howard's hospital trip for his allergy and the guy's making fun of Stuart.

[JohnPhD]

30 minutes ago, chucky said:

Ahhh, the episode where Penny had her head up her butt and took Sheldon's side in the argument. Another episode with no resolution to the problem. Just Howard's hospital trip for his allergy and the guy's making fun of Stuart.

I think that's too simplistic. Remember, Sheldon was Leonard's problem, not Penny's. Penny developed her own very real friendship with Sheldon, but the reason Sheldon lives with them at this stage is because of his connection to Leonard. Penny accepts this basically because she loves L as he is, but she sees how strange it is, and she's entitled to get a little harmless fun out of it at L's expense, IMO.

[chucky]

3 minutes ago, JohnPhD said:

I think that's too simplistic. Remember, Sheldon was Leonard's problem, not Penny's. Penny developed her own very real friendship with Sheldon, but the reason Sheldon lives with them at this stage is because of his connection to Leonard. Penny accepts this basically because she loves L as he is, but she sees how strange it is, and she's entitled to get a little harmless fun out of it at L's expense, IMO.

Totally disagree! Penny is Leonard's wife. Stupid shit like the RA, she should take her husband's side. Why she didn't had nothing to do with what you said. Amy told Leonard she went behind Leonard's back and had things added so she didn't have to do it. This from a woman who couldn't understand the need of a RA and why Leonard would sign it in the first place.

[JohnPhD]

3 minutes ago, chucky said:

Totally disagree! Penny is Leonard's wife. Stupid shit like the RA, she should take her husband's side. Why she didn't had nothing to do with what you said. Amy told Leonard she went behind Leonard's back and had things added so she didn't have to do it. This from a woman who couldn't understand the need of a RA and why Leonard would sign it in the first place.

It's precisely because P didn't understand the need of an RA and why L would sign it that she's entitled to make what use of it she pleases when it is in place against her wishes. L should not have listened to wormtongue Amy trying to make triouble for P.