[Spoilers] Season 12 Dark Lenny Thread

[chucky]

3 minutes ago, JohnPhD said:

It's precisely because P didn't understand the need of an RA and why L would sign it that she's entitled to make what use of it she pleases when it is in place against her wishes. L should not have listened to wormtongue Amy trying to make triouble for P.

We're just disagree here. Penny admitted that Amy was right in her adding stuff to the RA.

[Zephon75]

5 minutes ago, JohnPhD said:

It's precisely because P didn't understand the need of an RA and why L would sign it that she's entitled to make what use of it she pleases when it is in place against her wishes. L should not have listened to wormtongue Amy trying to make triouble for P.

I'm sorry but i'm with chucky on this one, Penny getting things added to the room mate agreement behind Leonard's back was just wrong. Also the things she got added where to benefit only her, so I was glad Amy told Leonard what Penny was doing. Because who knows what else she might of gotten added or changed in the room mate agreement to benefit herself .

[JohnPhD]

29 minutes ago, Zephon75 said:

I'm sorry but i'm with chucky on this one, Penny getting things added to the room mate agreement behind Leonard's back was just wrong. Also the things she got added where to benefit only her, so I was glad Amy told Leonard what Penny was doing. Because who knows what else she might of gotten added or changed in the room mate agreement to benefit herself .

Penny is L's wife. Anything she gets added to the RA isn't going to harm L. Penny will never harm L. Poison Amy was trying to make trouble in P's marriage, and it doesn't make any difference if what she said was true. L should have been loyal to P and thrown A out of the apartment.

[chucky]

25 minutes ago, JohnPhD said:

Penny is L's wife. Anything she gets added to the RA isn't going to harm L. Penny will never harm L. Poison Amy was trying to make trouble in P's marriage, and it doesn't make any difference if what she said was true. L should have been loyal to P and thrown A out of the apartment.

Again disagree. Leonard did more than enough for Sheldon. Penny had piled on Leonard because she didn't want to do them.  Amy was not trying make trouble in Lenny's marriage. I think she was jealous of the friendship between Sheldon and Penny. This had nothing to do with Lenny's marriage. Maybe Amy shouldn't have said anything. But it falls down on Penny's head for doing it. All she had to do was tell the giant baby she wasn't do those things for him. But no, she had all that stuff placed on her husband's shoulders and didn't have the guts to tell him herself!

Edited August 18, 2018 by chucky

[Zephon75]

54 minutes ago, JohnPhD said:

Penny is L's wife. Anything she gets added to the RA isn't going to harm L. Penny will never harm L. Poison Amy was trying to make trouble in P's marriage, and it doesn't make any difference if what she said was true. L should have been loyal to P and thrown A out of the apartment.

If the things Penny got added to the RA  wasn't going to harm Leonard, why keep it a secret?. Also when Leonard confronted her over it she denied it at first , so again if it didn't effect Leonard why deny it?. 

L should have been loyal to P and thrown A out of the apartment. And Penny should of been loyal to Leonard and took his side in his stance against the RA. But she didn't instead she backed Sheldon and started being snarky with Leonard and eventually going over to 4B with Sheldon in tow , just because Leonard wouldn't do what Sheldon wanted. So where was Penny's support for Leonard there?. 

 

Edited August 18, 2018 by Zephon75

[Jonny]

It was a really petty episode, silly conflict bickering and arguing between the gang over stupid things.  Obviously, they tried to liken it to the show they were watching (Game of Thrones) with battles and the like between different factions but it was just a Speckerman level quality of an epiosde, really pointless, stupid and not all that enjoyable IMO.

I wouldn't take it seriously and there are far better epiosdes to highlight issues with Leonard and Penny writing or storyline arcs.

[JohnPhD]

1 hour ago, Zephon75 said:

 

L should have been loyal to P and thrown A out of the apartment. And Penny should of been loyal to Leonard and took his side in his stance against the RA. But she didn't instead she backed Sheldon and started being snarky with Leonard and eventually going over to 4B with Sheldon in tow , just because Leonard wouldn't do what Sheldon wanted. So where was Penny's support for Leonard there?. 

 

The way I see it, Penny's taking sides on the RA was open in L's presence and constituted defiance but not disloyalty. And since the very existence of the RA is down to L, not P, he can't complain how she uses it. Whereas L listened to Amy's stories about P behind P's back. The way I read it, Amy admitted she was jealous of P & S's friendship implying L should also be jealous, and sneaked on P to L because she was jealous. L should not have entertained A's malice towards P.

Of course, Penny is an idiot to confide in Amy.

[veejay]

1 hour ago, Jonny said:

It was a really petty episode, silly conflict bickering and arguing between the gang over stupid things.  Obviously, they tried to liken it to the show they were watching (Game of Thrones) with battles and the like between different factions but it was just a Speckerman level quality of an epiosde, really pointless, stupid and not all that enjoyable IMO.

I wouldn't take it seriously and there are far better epiosdes to highlight issues with Leonard and Penny writing or storyline arcs.

Exactly. At first I also thought there was any sense in a reference to "Game of Thrones". But after a second look I shook my head about this crap.

[chucky]

4 minutes ago, veejay said:

Exactly. At first I also thought there was any sense in a reference to "Game of Thrones". But after a second look I shook my head about this crap.

Yep!

[Tensor]

 

1 hour ago, JohnPhD said:

The way I see it, Penny's taking sides on the RA was open in L's presence and constituted defiance but not disloyalty. 

If Penny is being defiant to Leonard (she was) and supporting Sheldon over her husband (she was), she is being disloyal to Leonard (she was).  

1 hour ago, JohnPhD said:

And since the very existence of the RA is down to L, not P, he can't complain how she uses it.

The decision to get a RA was a joint decision, Leonard didn't foist it on Penny.   AAMOF, Penny is the one that caved to Sheldon to stay in the apartment, and she had to convince Leonard (remember, they terminated the RA that Leonard signed as sole roommate to Sheldon).  

1 hour ago, JohnPhD said:

 Whereas L listened to Amy's stories about P behind P's back.

And Penny went behind Leonard's back to get those items added to the RA.    They were married, they should have been a team in deciding what went in the RA.  

1 hour ago, JohnPhD said:

The way I read it, Amy admitted she was jealous of P & S's friendship implying L should also be jealous, and sneaked on P to L because she was jealous. L should not have entertained A's malice towards P.

Which really has nothing to do with the fact the as a married couple, they should have been negotiating with Sheldon together.   This issue isn't how Leonard found out, the issue is Penny was working against her husband, with another person.  

1 hour ago, JohnPhD said:

Of course, Penny is an idiot to confide in Amy.

Outside of their spouses, any and all are idiots to confide in any and all of the others.  

[chucky]

16 minutes ago, Tensor said:

 

If Penny is being defiant to Leonard (she was) and supporting Sheldon over her husband (she was), she is being disloyal to Leonard (she was).  

The decision to get a RA was a joint decision, Leonard didn't foist it on Penny.   AAMOF, Penny is the one that caved to Sheldon to stay in the apartment, and she had to convince Leonard (remember, they terminated the RA that Leonard signed as sole roommate to Sheldon).  

And Penny went behind Leonard's back to get those items added to the RA.    They were married, they should have been a team in deciding what went in the RA.  

Which really has nothing to do with the fact the as a married couple, they should have been negotiating with Sheldon together.   This issue isn't how Leonard found out, the issue is Penny was working against her husband, with another person.  

Outside of their spouses, any and all are idiots to confide in any and all of the others.  

I totally agree in all aspects!

[Swedish Chef]

19 minutes ago, Tensor said:

AAMOF

Sorry for my stupidity, but what is AAMOF ??

I'm guessing that it is some kind of acronym.

[Tensor]

5 minutes ago, Swedish Chef said:

Sorry for my stupidity, but what is AAMOF ??

I'm guessing that it is some kind of acronym.

As A Matter Of Fact

 

AAMOF, IMHO, Yes; OTOH, AFAIK, no 

[Swedish Chef]

1 minute ago, Tensor said:

As A Matter Of Fact

LOL, it was so easy, thanks.

[chucky]

25 minutes ago, Tensor said:

As A Matter Of Fact

 

AAMOF, IMHO, Yes; OTOH, AFAIK, no 

I had to admit I was at a loss of understanding myself. What can I say, 63 year old walnut sized brain.

[Mario D.]

11 hours ago, chucky said:

When has a Sheldon Cooper contract been fair to anyone but Sheldon?

If I were Amy, now that they are married, she should tell Sheldon to stick the relationship agreement somewhere. They do not need it any longer, as if they ever did.

[chucky]

5 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

If I were Amy, now that they are married, she should tell Sheldon to stick the relationship agreement somewhere. They do not need it any longer, as if they ever did.

That's why I said he will be up all night on their wedding night composing the marriage contract that is slanted in his favor! I'm willing to bet he took his Notary Public Stamp with him.

Edited August 18, 2018 by chucky

[Mario D.]

6 hours ago, veejay said:

Again, absolute consent!

Also, when Penny and Leonard decided to stay with Sheldon in 4A after they were married, it was utterly ridiculous to sign another roommate agreement as it was only for Sheldon's benefit. They should have said you want us to stay here then no RA.!  But, of course they caved and Sheldon the baby wins again.

[chucky]

4 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

Also, when Penny and Leonard decided to stay with Sheldon in 4A after they were married, it was utterly ridiculous to sign another roommate agreement as it was only for Sheldon's benefit. They should have said you want us to stay here then no RA.!  But, of course they caved and Sheldon the baby wins again.

THE WRITERS!

[veejay]

21 minutes ago, chucky said:

THE WRITERS!

There were early indications to the writers.

As we know today, I don't think they were listening carefully.

[chucky]

57 minutes ago, veejay said:

As we know today, I don't think they were listening carefully.

The writers never listen to the people that actually watch the show!

[joyceraye]

14 hours ago, Zephon75 said:

Exactly and this is probably why in season eleven we never got to see Lenny share a kiss or hug and no bed scenes, instead gave all these things  to the Shamy instead so they would appear to the more romantic couple.

Of course the courting couple is going to appear to be the more romantic.  It's  theatrical tradition - and real life. 

[chucky]

3 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Of course the courting couple is going to appear to be the more romantic.  It's  theatrical tradition - and real life. 

But we're talking Shamy. 4 years to hold hands and 10 years to have coitus.

[veejay]

14 hours ago, chucky said:

The writers never listen to the people that actually watch the show!

So it's time to wake them up and draw their attention!

[Die Zimtzicke]

19 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

Of course, Penny is an idiot to confide in Amy.

But...but...Amy is her best friend!