[Spoilers] Season 12 Dark Lenny Thread

[smartandbeautiful]

Just now, Chrismo said:

I can’t disagree. JMO but nothing about kids was decided from this episode.

I really really really hope so! 

[Chrismo]

7 minutes ago, smartandbeautiful said:

 

Well yeah I saw that scene the same way, I actually expected Penny to be terrified of being pregnant/being a mom, just didn’t think she would be 100% against this 

I think Penny thought she was cornered kind of like a wild animal. Bernadette complained about her kids at the beginning of the scene. I think Penny took that as truth. When Bernie tried to backtrack and say how wonderful kids are she didn’t buy that. Then she tried suggesting Penny have kids she got mad. I’m not saying she was right but she did. She did the same with Amy. Penny has typically gotten mad at the guys but not the girls.

[bfm]

22 minutes ago, smartandbeautiful said:

Yeah, I agree, it’s just I always think of how awful Leonard’s childhood was and unintentionally imagine him being all like ‘I was never close with my parents, but I really want to have this special bond with my kids, I wanna be the best dad ever’. Lol sorry maybe it’s more of a headcanon, but I see him that way ☺️

 

Totally the way I see it. I have a whole part on this in one of my fanfic chapters ("The Corollary Theory: The Celebration Aberration"/8 - "Ghosts").

[smartandbeautiful]

Just now, Chrismo said:

I think Penny thought she was cornered kind of like a wild animal. Bernadette complained about her kids at the beginning of the scene. I think Penny took that as truth. When Bernie tried to backtrack and say how wonderful kids are she didn’t buy that. Then she tried suggesting Penny have kids she got mad. I’m not saying she was right but she did. She did the same with Amy. Penny has typically gotten mad at the guys but not the girls.

Well yeah, both Bernie and Amy’s reactions were exactly the kind of reactions childfree couples get from their relatives/friends (not all of them of course, but still). And the thing is it’s now gonna be really hard for writers to make Penny think otherwise, cause she kinda became the voice of the childfree community (I saw lots of positive comments under latest Kaley’s instagram post). I totally support the writers with representing childfree couples, there are not a lot of those on tv, but they had to think about it earlier, like 12 years ago. Cause what I saw in 12x03 was simply Out Of Character, can’t buy it. 

Just now, bfm said:

Totally the way I see it. I have a whole part on this in one of my fanfic chapters ("The Corollary Theory: The Celebration Aberration"/8 - "Ghosts").

Yay totally gonna read that! 😍

[veejay]

20 minutes ago, smartandbeautiful said:

Well yeah, both Bernie and Amy’s reactions were exactly the kind of reactions childfree couples get from their relatives/friends (not all of them of course, but still). And the thing is it’s now gonna be really hard for writers to make Penny think otherwise, cause she kinda became the voice of the childfree community (I saw lots of positive comments under latest Kaley’s instagram post). I totally support the writers with representing childfree couples, there are not a lot of those on tv, but they had to think about it earlier, like 12 years ago. Cause what I saw in 12x03 was simply Out Of Character, can’t buy it. 

Yay totally gonna read that! 😍

Spot on!

And I always thought Penny liked those funny writers.

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...there might be sarcasm intended.

[bfm]

12 minutes ago, smartandbeautiful said:

Well yeah, both Bernie and Amy’s reactions were exactly the kind of reactions childfree couples get from their relatives/friends (not all of them of course, but still). And the thing is it’s now gonna be really hard for writers to make Penny think otherwise, cause she kinda became the voice of the childfree community (I saw lots of positive comments under latest Kaley’s instagram post). I totally support the writers with representing childfree couples, there are not a lot of those on tv, but they had to think about it earlier, like 12 years ago. Cause what I saw in 12x03 was simply Out Of Character, can’t buy it. 

We seem to be on the same page on this.

When I watched the scene with Bernadette it felt like a punch to the gut. They had Penny represent the very true claims of people who don't want kids. How will they take that back? As I said when we got the spoilers, TPTB got themselves into a lose-lose situation. If they don't have kids then some of the fans will be upset. If they do then people who don't want kids will be upset, more so given that they flipped Bernadette easily. It is great to represent childless couples but it should have been done with Howardette.

[hokie3457]

2 minutes ago, bfm said:

That is what in my mind would probably be the best way to change the no kids route. Have it turn out that it's not that she really didn't want kids but had another reason to go this direction, this way it wouldn't be as bad for those IRL who do not want kids because she wouldn't be a real representation of them. This could be tied with Raj's arranged marriage plot - have him confess he is going for it because he doesn't believe he could find real love. Maybe Leonard tells him he feels incomptent/not good enough all the time but you have to pull through it, take risks (which is what we have seen Leonard do along the course of the show). This could trigger Penny to confess.

However, as of now it seems like they like this route. The least I feel I can hope for right now is that they finish leaving this not concluded, so everyone can imagine the way they want.

That is one of the things that upset me so much about this. It feels like the killing of "The Mother" (HIMYM) for me. I already don't feel like rewatching episodes or clips from the show (I only started rewatching HIMYM about 2-3 years after watching the finale). I just feel like reading and writing fanfiction. 

I've been thinking about the episode a lot.  A whole lot.  Also reading posts here....I am of two minds.  I'm not angry actually.  A little sad perhaps.  Johnny gave us both an extremely hopeful look when he thought she was telling him she was pregnant, then a devastated look when she told him her thoughts.  I'm wondering where this is going.   I really feel that this is not a one and done situation and that has me of a mind to be hopeful.  I found it very strange that Wyatt's appearance was only a few seconds long. One of the briefest appearances by a recurring character that I can remember. 

One thing I got from this episode is that Penny loves her husband.  Very much.  I don't think the bat-mobile rental was from a sense of guilt. I think it was a genuine show of love (I know, I may be naive, but....).  I am wondering what the next phase of this story is.  Will Penny reveal that she may have difficulties conceiving?  Will she have a change of mind after interacting with Halley or babysitting Neil Michael?  Will she in fact stay on this course of not wanting babies?

One thing we can say:  We have a Penny story going on.  I am staying tuned (sorry if this is a bit dis-jointed.  I actually broke away to do some work.  The horror!!!)

 

[Mario D.]

1 hour ago, bfm said:

I think it is expected of people who have doubts about having children to say so to theit partners, especially those who had various opportunities to do so and knee that their partner wanted kids. That being said, the way it was written she had a change of mind, not had these doubts and kept them secret. I think what makes people (I've seen similar comments in other media) think she was lying or hiding this is that this quick change of mind, again this is IMO, was not convincing. She just suddenly had these thoughts when there wasn't something hinting at it before. In season 9 she seemed it was a "someday" but the "yeah sure!" was very different than this current "someday, yeah" which does give away doubts. I think being unconvinced at this quick change people fill in that she had these doubts before and didn't tell Leonard. 

Additionally, the way she tried to appease Leonard with his favorite hamburger and renting the Batmobile tells me this may have been in the back of her mind and the test brought it forward. However, she knew she hurt him and he was upset about it. This was not like Penny as when Leonard does not go along with her she usually gets stubborn and evasive. In this instance she did neither, so I think consciously she knew she made a mistake.

[TBBT78]

Ok I haven’t seen this yet, but It strikes me that if the writers have written an episode where Lenny discuss having children because it has some future relevance. If there are no plans for Penny to get pregnant why have this storyline in the first place? I think all they’ve done is plant a seed in the viewers mind for a future episode on this subject. I refuse to believe this will break them up. Have a nice weekend everyone!


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[Mario D.]

19 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

I've been thinking about the episode a lot.  A whole lot.  Also reading posts here....I am of two minds.  I'm not angry actually.  A little sad perhaps.  Johnny gave us both an extremely hopeful look when he thought she was telling him she was pregnant, then a devastated look when she told him her thoughts.  I'm wondering where this is going.   I really feel that this is not a one and done situation and that has me of a mind to be hopeful.  I found it very strange that Wyatt's appearance was only a few seconds long. One of the briefest appearances by a recurring character that I can remember. 

One thing I got from this episode is that Penny loves her husband.  Very much.  I don't think the bat-mobile rental was from a sense of guilt. I think it was a genuine show of love (I know, I may be naive, but....).  I am wondering what the next phase of this story is.  Will Penny reveal that she may have difficulties conceiving?  Will she have a change of mind after interacting with Halley or babysitting Neil Michael?  Will she in fact stay on this course of not wanting babies?

One thing we can say:  We have a Penny story going on.  I am staying tuned (sorry if this is a bit dis-jointed.  I actually broke away to do some work.  The horror!!!)

 

Totally agree with you!

[bfm]

27 minutes ago, TBBT78 said:

Ok I haven’t seen this yet, but It strikes me that if the writers have written an episode where Lenny discuss having children because it has some future relevance. If there are no plans for Penny to get pregnant why have this storyline in the first place? I think all they’ve done is plant a seed in the viewers mind for a future episode on this subject. I refuse to believe this will break them up. Have a nice weekend everyone!


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It could have also been to stop the criticism about Lenny being stagnant or questions about them having children.

Edited October 5, 2018 by bfm

[chucky]

14 minutes ago, bfm said:

It could have also been to stop the criticism about Lenny being stagnant or questions about them having children.

True, but we have to wait and see how this plays out!

[Swedish Chef]

I haven't seen the episode but I feel it would be really sad if we don't get any Lenny babies.

Do the writers have any plans for Lenny at all this final season ?

[chucky]

1 minute ago, Swedish Chef said:

I haven't seen the episode but I feel it would be really sad if we don't get any Lenny babies.

Do the writers have any plans for Lenny at all this final season ?

Just what they've done the last couple of seasons, throw bumps in their way!

[veejay]

3 minutes ago, Swedish Chef said:

I haven't seen the episode but I feel it would be really sad if we don't get any Lenny babies.

Do the writers have any plans for Lenny at all this final season ?

They' ll beat The Joker!

Everyone's finally talking intensively about Leonard and Penny. That's all happening on The Sheldon Show, isn't it?

I’m always looking for the humor of nature.

[chucky]

6 minutes ago, veejay said:

Everyone's finally talking intensively about Leonard and Penny. That's all happening on The Sheldon Show, isn't it?

It does appear they are the feature subject of conversation.

[Tonstar17]

Maybe penny cant have kids and it's her way of breaking it gently to Leonard, lessen the blow when she finally tells him. Maybe that's where tptb are going with this. Sucks but as you guys know I gave up on the writers writing any good arc for lenny years ago.

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[chucky]

2 hours ago, Chrismo said:

I think Penny thought she was cornered kind of like a wild animal. Bernadette complained about her kids at the beginning of the scene. I think Penny took that as truth. When Bernie tried to backtrack and say how wonderful kids are she didn’t buy that. Then she tried suggesting Penny have kids she got mad. I’m not saying she was right but she did. She did the same with Amy. Penny has typically gotten mad at the guys but not the girls.

Yeah, she pretty much told them to back the train up!

[veejay]

26 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Maybe penny cant have kids and it's her way of breaking it gently to Leonard, lessen the blow when she finally tells him. Maybe that's where tptb are going with this. Sucks but as you guys know I gave up on the writers writing any good arc for lenny years ago.

Too many "maybe's" since probably five years. You're so right.

[chucky]

26 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

. Sucks but as you guys know I gave up on the writers writing any good arc for lenny years ago.

You're not alone in that sentiment! 

[TBBT78]

I've been thinking about the episode a lot.  A whole lot.  Also reading posts here....I am of two minds.  I'm not angry actually.  A little sad perhaps.  Johnny gave us both an extremely hopeful look when he thought she was telling him she was pregnant, then a devastated look when she told him her thoughts.  I'm wondering where this is going.   I really feel that this is not a one and done situation and that has me of a mind to be hopeful.  I found it very strange that Wyatt's appearance was only a few seconds long. One of the briefest appearances by a recurring character that I can remember. 

One thing I got from this episode is that Penny loves her husband.  Very much.  I don't think the bat-mobile rental was from a sense of guilt. I think it was a genuine show of love (I know, I may be naive, but....).  I am wondering what the next phase of this story is.  Will Penny reveal that she may have difficulties conceiving?  Will she have a change of mind after interacting with Halley or babysitting Neil Michael?  Will she in fact stay on this course of not wanting babies?

One thing we can say:  We have a Penny story going on.  I am staying tuned (sorry if this is a bit dis-jointed.  I actually broke away to do some work.  The horror!!!)

 

It certainly would make sense for Penny to be freaked out by the idea of having children rather than just not wanting them at all. She does have a history of shying away from big decisions.


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[legacy99]

Penny has the right not to want children but if she had any doubts before the wedding she should have talk to Leonard about it i think she owes him that much

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[SRAM]

The writers and TPTB have been screwing with the Lenny relationship for a few years now and for me finally went over the line with this plot.  I want them to break up over this, I’m tired of Penny controlling the relationship, I want Leonard to finally take a stand and tell her this is a deal breaker.  Penny can stand her ground and they can divorce, I don’t care anymore.

[smartandbeautiful]

Just now, SRAM said:

The writers and TPTB have been screwing with the Lenny relationship for a few years now and for me finally went over the line with this plot.  I want them to break up over this, I’m tired of Penny controlling the relationship, I want Leonard to finally take a stand and tell her this is a deal breaker.  Penny can stand her ground and they can divorce, I don’t care anymore.

IMO, it’s not a deal breaker for Leonard - he wants to have babies with Penny, not just any babies (as I see it) 

[legacy99]

Just curious if Leonard came out and said he wanted to quit his job and buy a boat and sail off into the sunset for years Do you think Penny would have a right to be upset

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