[Spoilers] Season 12 Dark Lenny Thread

[3ku11]

Lenny was the first tier couple for the first six seasons. So they had a great run. So yes Lenny are used as a prop to enhance Shamy. Which is constantly a deterrent to Lenny. But it’s been that way for years now. No point complaining about it in the final season. Even though this is the place for it hahaha.

TBH since Bill Prady stepped down as One of the showrunners. And Moloro and Hollond took over. It’s been a detriment to Lenny. Tbh I don’t see how Steve Hollands Direction is any different from Moloros. 

Edited November 18, 2018 by 3ku11

[Tensor]

3 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Lenny was the first tier couple for first six seasons. So they had a great run. So yes Lenny are used as a prop to enhance Shamy. To a deterrent to Lenny. But it’s been that way for years now. No point complaining about it in the final season. Even though this is the place for it hahaha. 

You are right, this is the place for it, and anyone who wants to complain is free to do so.  You don't get to tell others what they should or shouldn't post, or whether there is  a point to it.  

[bfm]

I don't rewatch "The Romance Recalibration" and have no intention to do so.

It even has a big factual error, with Penny saying they lived with Sheldon because of Leonard, when a little over a year before we have an episode where we clearly see, on screen, how she is the one who convinces Leonard to agree to that. It's like a totally different set of writers, who have only seen very few episodes from seasons 8-10, wrote this one.

[chucky]

3 minutes ago, bfm said:

I don't rewatch "The Romance Recalibration" and have no intention to do so.

It even has a big factual error, with Penny saying they lived with Sheldon because of Leonard, when a little over a year before we have an episode where we clearly see, on screen, how she is the one who convinces Leonard to agree to that. It's like a totally different set of writers, who have only seen very few episodes from seasons 8-10, wrote this one.

What can I say, the writers have selective memory. They remember what they want and make up the rest! This episode is a sad example of that. 

[Zephon75]

Okay i'm a bit late to the topic of a Leonard & Penny spinoff , I would really like to see something like that. Maybe they could have them move to a different part of the city, that way they are able to keep in touch with their friends. So we'll be able to see Howard/Bernadette/Raj and Anu. They could all be doing the same jobs except Penny who has a much better job. They could have Sheldon/Amy in the pilot and have them move away somewhere so that covers why they are not in the show. 

[veejay]

34 minutes ago, bfm said:

I don't rewatch "The Romance Recalibration" and have no intention to do so.

It even has a big factual error, with Penny saying they lived with Sheldon because of Leonard, when a little over a year before we have an episode where we clearly see, on screen, how she is the one who convinces Leonard to agree to that. It's like a totally different set of writers, who have only seen very few episodes from seasons 8-10, wrote this one.

 

28 minutes ago, chucky said:

What can I say, the writers have selective memory. They remember what they want and make up the rest! This episode is a sad example of that. 

Was this scene at that time a conscious self-reflection of the writers?

To be honest, I doubt even that. 🤔

[Zephon75]

26 minutes ago, chucky said:

What can I say, the writers have selective memory. They remember what they want and make up the rest! This episode is a sad example of that. 

Exactly they essentially don't care about continuity only what they perceive to be funny. Look at season ten for example in 10x10 they had Sheldon rent out his old room to a complete stranger. Yet in 10x18  Sheldon had a issue with Raj living in his old room it's like they don't even bother paying attention anymore and when they do they still mess it up continuity, 12x03/06. 

[chucky]

45 minutes ago, veejay said:

 

Was this scene at that time a conscious self-reflection of the writers?

To be honest, I doubt even that. 🤔

Honestly, I can say yes and no! In this case I'm a waffler!  😉

48 minutes ago, Zephon75 said:

it's like they don't even bother paying attention anymore and when they do they still mess it up continuity, 12x03/06.

I think they threw continuity out the window and under the bus years ago. Now it's episode to episode with no regard to the past!

[Die Zimtzicke]

13 hours ago, Mario D. said:

I guess the writers just cannot write a serious dialogue for Lenny and had to resort to Shamy nonsense.  How pathetic!

The writers,  none of them, have cared about Lenny  at least since Bernie got pregnant. If they have I haven't seen it.

[chucky]

57 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

The writers,  none of them, have cared about Lenny  at least since Bernie got pregnant. If they have I haven't seen it.

It goes wayyy farther back than that. Quite possibly back to mid season 7!

[chucky]

7 minutes ago, MsGreentea said:

A show with all the cast minus Amy and Sheldon is really specifically what they don’t want to do or they wouldn’t have cancelled the show to begin with.  A spin-off with one or two characters is something I don’t see they have ruled out.  Nor do I know if they have any interest in it.  For all we know they may be planning a show around Kripke.  I don’t know if Lorre owes KC a show but I bet he would like to do a show with her.  Is the character Penny?  

Very well thought out post and questions. Err, except for Kripke. He doesn't owe her a show, but if Johnny can be convinced to go for it as well, he might give it a shot. Depends on the networks and maybe Warner Bros. But who knows?

[MsGreentea]

well My free spin-off idea is flip the scenario and focus on Penny and Bernadette and their lives in big Pharma with an office type cast.  It is different enough that they might be able to keep 4 cast members in some capacity and never needs t have another scene at Caltech.  If it took off you could involve Amy’s research in some way.

Edited November 19, 2018 by MsGreentea

[chucky]

1 hour ago, MsGreentea said:

well My free spin-off idea is flip the scenario and focus on Penny and Bernadette and their lives in big Pharma with an office type cast.  It is different enough that they might be able to keep 4 cast members in some capacity and never needs t have another scene at Caltech.  If it took off you could involve Amy’s research in some way.

Good idea, but CalTech scenes could be had with Leonard doing his work. Maybe he gets promoted to Dean of Physics and deals  with his department personnel.

Edited November 19, 2018 by chucky

[bfm]

To be honest I rather have a show about the children of the gang as young adults, in the future. I just think it would be more fresh, and that with a spin-off the writers may fall on what they think works on TBBT (e.g., Lenny fighting, "he wore her down", etc.). Also, I think Johnny might agree to do guest appearances, not sure he can be convinced to be main cast. Old Lenny appearing in person or voice could be cute, together for years with beloved (and desired) children

Edited November 19, 2018 by bfm

[chucky]

5 hours ago, MsGreentea said:

If it took off you could involve Amy’s research in some way.

You don't need Amy and her research. Besides Amy, IMO, wouldn't work without Sheldon. The characters in the sitcom would be talking about him and where he is instead of their own. Need a clean break. Explain that Amy and Sheldon moved to Texas (just an example) and are living there. Then move on with the show!

1 hour ago, bfm said:

To be honest I rather have a show about the children of the gang as young adults, in the future. I just think it would be more fresh, and that with a spin-off the writers may fall on what they think works on TBBT (e.g., Lenny fighting, "he wore her down", etc.). Also, I think Johnny might agree to do guest appearances, not sure he can be convinced to be main cast. Old Lenny appearing in person or voice could be cute, together for years with beloved (and desired) children

I could watch and enjoy that show!

2 hours ago, Chrismo said:

I don’t think Johnny will go for it and I think Kaley is all talk about continuing. If the show ends in a satisfactory way for Lenny I think fans will be happy. Don’t need to see a Joey type show

Maybe, maybe not! Have to wait and see!

[Chrismo]

37 minutes ago, chucky said:

You don't need Amy and her research. Besides Amy, IMO, wouldn't work without Sheldon. The characters in the sitcom would be talking about him and where he is instead of their own. Need a clean break. Explain that Amy and Sheldon moved to Texas (just an example) and are living there. Then move on with the show!

I could watch and enjoy that show!

Maybe, maybe not! Have to wait and see!

I don’t see Shamy moving or anybody else for that matter. A show like Frazier worked because the patrons at Cheers had lives outside the bar. Joey as I mentioned earlier while bad suffered from no one from Friends coming back. Friends was a show like TBBT in regards to the characters always being together. Another thing let’s say you do have the Lenny show. Unlike YS which you kind have unseen and unknown characters Penny’s parents, Leonard’s parents you have already seen. Penny’s brother too. Someone mentioned moving to Nebraska earlier. I Don’t think the show is going to turn into Green Acres.

[chucky]

3 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I don’t see Shamy moving or anybody else for that matter. A show like Frazier worked because the patrons at Cheers had lives outside the bar. Joey as I mentioned earlier while bad suffered from no one from Friends coming back. Friends was a show like TBBT in regards to the characters always being together. Another thing let’s say you do have the Lenny show. Unlike YS which you kind have unseen and unknown characters Penny’s parents, Leonard’s parents you have already seen. Penny’s brother too. Someone mentioned moving to Nebraska earlier. I Don’t think the show is going to turn into Green Acres.

AS I said, we'll have to wait and see. I don't have a crystal ball and not making predictions. Just stating my opinion on what I'd like to see. As for Sheldon, who knows what the future holds for him if there is a Lenny spin off!

[hokie3457]

5 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I don’t see Shamy moving or anybody else for that matter. A show like Frazier worked because the patrons at Cheers had lives outside the bar. Joey as I mentioned earlier while bad suffered from no one from Friends coming back. Friends was a show like TBBT in regards to the characters always being together. Another thing let’s say you do have the Lenny show. Unlike YS which you kind have unseen and unknown characters Penny’s parents, Leonard’s parents you have already seen. Penny’s brother too. Someone mentioned moving to Nebraska earlier. I Don’t think the show is going to turn into Green Acres.

I feel like a lone voice in the wilderness, but I have no interest in seeing Penny and Leonard in Nebraska either on TBBT in its last season or in a spin-off. Although I would love a Lenny spin off free from Sheldon, please no ranch/farm/outdoors/Green Acres style story for them...,

[chucky]

1 hour ago, hokie3457 said:

Although I would love a Lenny spin off free from Sheldon, please no ranch/farm/outdoors/Green Acres style story for them...,

I agree, but will accept a Nebraskan/Green Acres show on a trial basis if it's a Sheldon free Lenny show.

[JohnPhD]

I think if there's to be a Lenny spinoff one essential condition is that Amy should not be part of it. Otherwise how do we know the same thing won't happen to the new show as happened to TBBT?

[chucky]

1 hour ago, JohnPhD said:

I think if there's to be a Lenny spinoff one essential condition is that Amy should not be part of it. Otherwise how do we know the same thing won't happen to the new show as happened to TBBT?

Totally agree! No need for Amy if Sheldon's not there!

[bfm]

6 hours ago, chucky said:

Or a new life in New York. Penny getting a part in a Broadway Play!

Sorry, but Penny could never ever get a part on Broadway... 

But I would prefer a place that isn't Nebraska, I'm just afraid the "lame Leonard messing up" card will be overplayed in such case.

[bfm]

8 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

I think if there's to be a Lenny spinoff one essential condition is that Amy should not be part of it. Otherwise how do we know the same thing won't happen to the new show as happened to TBBT?

It is not Amy who "hogs" the screen time on TBBT, the rise in her time for the last few years is a result of her scenes with Sheldon. In fact, I don't remember too many stories of Amy independent of Sheldon, unlike Bernadette who definitely gets stories that are Howard-driven.

[3ku11]

1 hour ago, bfm said:

Sorry, but Penny could never ever get a part on Broadway... 

But I would prefer a place that isn't Nebraska, I'm just afraid the "lame Leonard messing up" card will be overplayed in such case.

Or Penny could mess up. 

[JohnPhD]

1 hour ago, bfm said:

It is not Amy who "hogs" the screen time on TBBT, the rise in her time for the last few years is a result of her scenes with Sheldon. In fact, I don't remember too many stories of Amy independent of Sheldon, unlike Bernadette who definitely gets stories that are Howard-driven.

It's true that what has mainly lowered the quality of TBBT is Shamy scenes.  But this requires Amy, obvs. Sheldon without Amy is usually fine. Making Shamy a romantic couple has reduced the quality of S as a character IMO. We have seen too much A without S, eg her implausible  dating when S & A were broken up, her intrusion in 4A and even scenes with L.