[Spoilers] Season 12 Dark Lenny Thread

[Strawberry PopTart Fan]

12 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

I agree he’s a nice guy. And he loves his wife - and she him - and he loves his mum  - and Sheldon, otherwise they would have smothered Sheldon with his pillow as he slept. Leonard is for the most part a better type of person, with just the odd slip. 

But they really don’t show him catching any easy breaks. I’d have liked to have seen that sometimes. Again - not even the honeymoon was respite  - they went with Sheldon!!!! Even their home has only latterly been theirs. And  for that, who knows if they got the key back. 

Little chance now for change. But the slot machine strategy did engage me. Always hoping next time would be the big win.  

Luckily Leonard has proven to be indestructible. Lesser men would have been broken.

I made a choice a while ago to accept what I couldn't change. I savor the Starwberry PopTart and his Sweetheart, flaws, faults, imperfections and raw deals. I hope to revisit them often and help keep those residuals flowing in. They have brought me joy and tears and lots of laughs.

 

[Mario D.]

2 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Bernadette somewhat grudgingly agreed to have a child because she knew her husband wanted to be a dad, and she wept at the news of a second one on the way. Children were part of the deal discussed during her engagement - as happens in real life. However, she loved her babies once she'd got them and wants the best for them. There's no reason Penny wouldn't feel the same. It doesn't make sense to me, since she has a normal, good enough parent-child relationship as an adult, that she doesn't want to make a family with Leonard . She's physically so fit she'd even get her figure back  if it went out of shape for a few months, if that would worry her. Amy and Sheldon have always intended to produce children, even when they only thought of them as progeny out of duty to the human race. Raj and Anu separately have had children in mind before they even met, and Stuart and Denise just wanted an excuse.

Adults becoming parents ? Nothing odd in that. What's odd to me is that only one couple so far on TBBT have done it. Why Penny out of all of them, with no discussion with friends, family or husband, has been chosen to upset millions of her fans who feel lovely Leonard's disappointment, beats me. 

I know it seems a longshot at this time but I sincerely hope they change their minds and have Penny just say she is pregnant. Just to see Leonard's face and excitement would probably be enough satisfaction. Even Kaley said in an interview "That I hope they change their minds on a Penny pregnancy, because women do, some say they are not there yet and then they are. Plus the fans want to see this"  So she seems open to having Penny being pregnant. One other thing episode 22 is reportedly named "Maternal Conclusion" Could this possibly be about Penny being pregnant or wanting to be pregnant. And with Christine Baranski supposedly guest starring could Penny ask her mother-in-law for advice as they have a better relationship now.

[chucky]

3 hours ago, Mario D. said:

You are absolutely right  To have Amy be pregnant and Sheldon get a Nobel Prize would be such a disservice to Lenny fans who have supported this show for 12 years And it would definitely show the favoritism toward Shamy/Sheldon that they have promoted these last 3-4 years.  Just disgraceful

TPTB and writers haven't cared about Lenny or Lenny fans since the end of Season 6! That is disgraceful!

[veejay]

44 minutes ago, chucky said:

TPTB and writers haven't cared about Lenny or Lenny fans since the end of Season 6! That is disgraceful!

Now I get it: "The Finger". 😁

[bfm]

3 hours ago, Zephon75 said:

I thought about not watching the show anymore on a few occasions this season, but so far have managed to stick it out and will struggle through the last six too. But this will be the only season of the show i won't be buying and will more than likely never watch in it's entirety again.  I will probably only watch 12x06 and any episodes that i found tolerable.

The only one I rewatched this season was the Halloween one, I think that was 12×06.

I never thought I'd stop watching, I thought I'd stick to it while not enjoying it that much, but they managed to break me.

[Tensor]

25 minutes ago, bfm said:

The only one I rewatched this season was the Halloween one, I think that was 12×06.

I never thought I'd stop watching, I thought I'd stick to it while not enjoying it that much, but they managed to break me.

They broke me also.  The only one I’ve seen all of, since 12.02, was 12.13, and that’s only because I was there for the taping.  I will probably watch the final. 

[Tonstar17]

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I watched a handful of s12 episode because of lenny arc but not watched any episodes since mid S10. I dont miss it. I would watch the finale to see how it all end, but more for lenny end game.

 

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[veejay]

Since the beginning of my TBBT addiction I've watched every episode several times (approx. 5 times and more). Since the 9th season I have only chosen selectively and couldn't even remember the number of the episodes or titles immediately. Season 11 has been the least strain on my eyesight so far. That won't be any different for the final round. Just sad.

[Tonstar17]

I used to love bbt. When I was down, it used to lift me up. Watched it when I had a bad day or just needed cheering up. Now just watching later seasons depresses me. How could a show that was so enlighting turn into a soap drama and instead of lifting me up put me on a downer. I so hate to say, I cant wait to see the back of it. I always used to think it's the one show i will watch from beginning to the end, but it wasnt meant to be. Thanks to the pedantic writing and unimportant stories arc that they chose to pursue. RIP BBT.

 

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[Tatyshka]

Hi, everybody. I'm a TBBT fan from Russia. I'm really sad to see what writers do with Lenny. no matter how the story ends, for me the theme of Lenny’s kids remain in the gray zone. and I'm not going to watch season 12 again.

[joyceraye]

7 hours ago, Mario D. said:

You are absolutely right  To have Amy be pregnant and Sheldon get a Nobel Prize would be such a disservice to Lenny fans who have supported this show for 12 years And it would definitely show the favoritism toward Shamy/Sheldon that they have promoted these last 3-4 years.  Just disgraceful

I don't see why there has to be a competition. They're not opposing sports teams. I know groups of couples who are friends with one another and who all have children. Unless they've had to go through hoops to adopt, or have become successfully fertile after treatment, they're not considered especially favoured. Rewards that come via a job aren't usually regarded as a disgrace by others unless they're dishonestly come by.

If Leonard by the end comes up with something that sets him pointing towards a Nobel prize and Howard does get the McArthur genius award Bert recommended him for, it won't make any difference to Sheldon's chances. Nor will any success he gets prevent theirs or cause their failure.  I'd like to see them all getting what they've worked for and for Penny's misgivings about having her own children  resolved. There's time yet : five minutes is a long time in TBBT world, let alone an ( unspoiled so far ) hour.

[chucky]

23 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

it won't make any difference to Sheldon's chances. Nor will any success he gets prevent theirs or cause their failure. 

Maybe so, but regardless whether he gets the Nobel or not, he will bitch, moan and groan about any one but him being recognized for anything. That's his nature, period!

[Nogravitasatall]

6 hours ago, Strawberry PopTart Fan said:

I made a choice a while ago to accept what I couldn't change. I savor the Starwberry PopTart and his Sweetheart, flaws, faults, imperfections and raw deals. I hope to revisit them often and help keep those residuals flowing in. They have brought me joy and tears and lots of laughs.

 

That’s a good plan.

For myself, I have let my engagement fade.  I’ll probably always be up for a bit of post-match argy-bargy if the spirit moves me. I can still feel echoes of the early charm of the show. And then when I see a later episode and watch Sheldon stomp around and Amy do whatever, my dander rises as I am reminded of what didn’t happen.  

There is other content out there, but I’ll probably never repeat the fan experiences as I have had through this show. I did have a great time wandering around LA on my own when I saw an episode being shot. Without that intensity of engagement that persuaded my wife to agree take the kids home with her I wouldn’t of had the other joys, like spending a day at the Getty Museum, with no one telling me their feet are tired and they can’t just stand and look at Van Gogh’s Irises for another five minutes. And the camaraderie on the stand-by queue was special.

I was smitten by infatuated Leonard and good-hearted Penny. Still I won’t regret the show passing. It had its day. Sometime back.

[Tonstar17]

Hi, everybody. I'm a TBBT fan from Russia. I'm really sad to see what writers do with Lenny. no matter how the story ends, for me the theme of Lenny’s kids remain in the gray zone. and I'm not going to watch season 12 again.

I feel your pain. Totally on the same page with you.

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[Zephon75]

My biggest issue with this season is how much of it has focused on Shamy and their Super Symmetry/Nobel Prize story arc, and it's all down to the writers. After they knew this was the final season they should have in  my opinion made sure ALL!!!! the characters got a good amount of plots and maybe story arcs.  But instead, they decided to go overboard on Shamy plots and the Super-Symmetry/ Nobel Prize story arc, a story arc, in my opinion, that is not only quite rubbish it isn't very scientific but most of all is just BORING. It has been excessively dragged out which was just unnecessary and has taken away time that could have been better used giving you know the other characters some plots instead.  But nooo the writers in the infinite wisdom thought lets  just waste the limited number of episodes we have giving Shamy a season-long story arc.   I know some say that they won't end up getting a Nobel Prize, i kind of hope they don't , but i can't see them covering it so much for it only to end in failure. So with it been covered in so many episodes with the conclusion, as far as i know, has not happened yet ,  i think he will get the Nobel Prize.  As i can't see them dedicating so much time this season on a story arc only for it to end in disappointment, and lets not forget it is Sheldon after all, he will be given his dreams even when others are denied theirs. 

[Tonstar17]

My biggest issue with this season is how much of it has focused on Shamy and their Super Symmetry/Nobel Prize story arc, and it's all down to the writers. After they knew this was the final season they should have in  my opinion made sure ALL!!!! the characters got a good amount of plots and maybe story arcs.  But instead, they decided to go overboard on Shamy plots and the Super-Symmetry/ Nobel Prize story arc, a story arc, in my opinion, that is not only quite rubbish it isn't very scientific but most of all is just BORING. It has been excessively dragged out which was just unnecessary and has taken away time that could have been better used giving you know the other characters some plots instead.  But nooo the writers in the infinite wisdom thought lets  just waste the limited number of episodes we have giving Shamy a season-long story arc.   I know some say that they won't end up getting a Nobel Prize, i kind of hope they don't , but i can't see them covering it so much for it only to end in failure. So with it been covered in so many episodes with the conclusion, as far as i know, has not happened yet ,  i think he will get the Nobel Prize.  As i can't see them dedicating so much time this season on a story arc only for it to end in disappointment, and lets not forget it is Sheldon after all, he will be given his dreams even when others are denied theirs. 

I dont give a shit if Sheldon has his dreams. Irl the geezer will be living in a bed sit, with no friends, life and no job. Stuck in 2002. So yeah, not bothered cause in my head I know how its ends and the villain that no one likes in the show, not even his so called friends never wins.

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[Die Zimtzicke]

47 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

There is other content out there, but I’ll probably never repeat the fan experiences as I have had through this show.

Maybe that's my difference. I've done this maybe five or six times in my 64 years on earth. I always thought nothing would matter to me as much and then found something else eventually.Every one just added to the feeling from the past ones.

[chucky]

24 minutes ago, Zephon75 said:

My biggest issue with this season is how much of it has focused on Shamy and their Super Symmetry/Nobel Prize story arc, and it's all down to the writers. After they knew this was the final season they should have in  my opinion made sure ALL!!!! the characters got a good amount of plots and maybe story arcs.  But instead, they decided to go overboard on Shamy plots and the Super-Symmetry/ Nobel Prize story arc, a story arc, in my opinion, that is not only quite rubbish it isn't very scientific but most of all is just BORING. It has been excessively dragged out which was just unnecessary and has taken away time that could have been better used giving you know the other characters some plots instead.  But nooo the writers in the infinite wisdom thought lets  just waste the limited number of episodes we have giving Shamy a season-long story arc.   I know some say that they won't end up getting a Nobel Prize, i kind of hope they don't , but i can't see them covering it so much for it only to end in failure. So with it been covered in so many episodes with the conclusion, as far as i know, has not happened yet ,  i think he will get the Nobel Prize.  As i can't see them dedicating so much time this season on a story arc only for it to end in disappointment, and lets not forget it is Sheldon after all, he will be given his dreams even when others are denied theirs. 

Basically their closed minded attitude toward Shamy and their boring science bull has caused the season to be a waste and a dud of a season. Someone, Chuck, should guided the so called Shamy writers that their were 5 other main characters to write about!

[joyceraye]

I remember when Daphne on Frasier sneakily looked at the medical records of her husband's patient and ruined it for me after I'd been emotionally attached to the show for years. The friend who'd recruited me to it was devastated and the mentally-handicapped godson I was home-schooling at the time between special schools was absolutely heartbroken. The channel that was showing it moved it to a less-popular night and time in response to viewers' feelings. 

The makers of The Inspector Lynley Mysteries changed the feel of it after four years by Americanising both  the language and the plots. They took on a writer who couldn't keep track of a storyline for toffee and who had been the killer of at least two other series. The BBC stopped commissioning it. I was running two yahoo groups for the TV series and three for books so I felt the decline particularly hard.

I stopped listening to The Archers after sixty years. I just couldn't take the changes in the way the people I'd known since Nursery School, or who'd come into my life over the years and whose births I could remember, were talking.

So, I do feel sympathetic towards anyone who feels they no longer want to see what happens to the TBBT crowd. Penny's out-of-the-blue declaration and Leonard's obvious disappointment (can't think of a stronger word that's printable) with it in the final season is inexcusable on the part of writers. To add the Zack shenanigans to the mess must have felt beyond unacceptable to those who'd loved the love story I'd hardly noticed. I just hope the writers redeem themselves somehow so that in time to come these last months will be viewed as a bad patch that Penny got over. They owe a return to enjoyment to some millions of fans. Why upset people ? They don't get paid more for making viewers unhappy, so why do it ?

Edited April 18, 2019 by joyceraye
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[Nogravitasatall]

12 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

I remember when Daphne on Frasier sneakily looked at the medical records of her husband's patient and ruined it for me after I'd been emotionally attached to the show for years. The friend who'd recruited me to it was devastated and the mentally-handicapped godson I was home-schooling at the time between special schools was absolutely heartbroken. The channel that was showing it moved it to a less-popular night and time in response to viewers' feelings. 

The makers of The Inspector Lynley Mysteries changed the feel of it after four years by Americanising both  the language and the plots. They took on a writer who couldn't keep track of a storyline for toffee and who had been the killer of at least two other series. The BBC stopped commissioning it. I was running two yahoo groups for the TV series and three for books so I felt the decline particularly hard.

I stopped listening to The Archers after sixty years. I just couldn't take the changes in the way the people I'd known since Nursery School, or who'd come into my life over the years and whose births I could remember, were talking.

So, I do feel sympathetic towards anyone who feels they no longer want to see what happens to the TBBT crowd. Penny's out-of-the-blue declaration and Leonard's obvious disappointment (can't think of a stronger word that's printable) with it in the final season is inexcusable on the part of writers. To add the Zack shenanigans to the mess must have felt beyond unacceptable to those who'd loved the love story I'd hardly noticed. I just hope the writers redeem themselves somehow so that in time to come these last months will be viewed as a bad patch that Penny got over. They owe a return to enjoyment to some millions of fans. Why upset people ? They don't get paid more for making viewer unhappy, so why do it ?

One more pull on the slot machine lever will fix it all. That’s my theory. They think/know we will hope for that reversal of fortune. High stakes strategy? Maybe not, but it is a way of tying the story to the railway tracks and creating suspense. Will she / won’t she recant. Stay tuned to the end.

@Die Zimtzicke please don’t think I can’t obsess over other shows. My goodness. But I don’t think I’ll travel to another country and spend thousands doing fan stuff again. Netflix binging is much more cost effective. 

One day I’ll get to Hobbiton, but that’s just across the Tasman Sea.  

Edited April 18, 2019 by Nogravitasatall

[Tonstar17]

Basically their closed minded attitude toward Shamy and their boring science bull has caused the season to be a waste and a dud of a season. Someone, Chuck, should guided the so called Shamy writers that their were 5 other main characters to write about!

I remember when bbt was funny and the writers cared and not the Sheldon Show.

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[chucky]

2 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

I remember when bbt was funny and the writers cared and not the Sheldon Show.

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Season 6 and before!

[joyceraye]

2 minutes ago, chucky said:

Season 6 and before!

That season was awful ! So much nastiness between people.

[Tonstar17]

Season 6 and before!

Those were the dayz. Good times. [emoji5]

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[chucky]

Just now, joyceraye said:

That season was awful ! So much nastiness between people.

I liked it as it was before It became the Sheldon Cooper Show!