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As the season started last night,  this is the first post in the Season 12 ratings thread.  Similar to the last couple of years, here are the plans for the ratings, 

I hope to have the Live + 3 and the Live + 7 on Mondays.  However, last year, due to some consolidation of online television sites, I lost the Live + 3 and Live + 7 at times.    I'm hoping to get those all the time this year.  While they will be dated for Mondays, they may get updated over the weekend. 

Tuesday will have the top five programs for the previous week for demo and viewers.  Also, around noon, although it may go up earlier.  This is really put out on Tuesday, but with the overnights and finals, I may not get to it until Wednesday.   

Wednesday will have the syndication ratings for two weeks previous. Again, around noon.  This is similar to the the top ten from the previous week. It actually comes out on Wednesday, and if I'm not occupied, It'll go up then, but I'm not going to claim it will be up on Wednesday.

Thursday will usually be an off day, but I will occasionally write a post on some kind of ratings information. 

Friday will have the the Live + Same Day ratings.  This includes the overnights, including households, demo, and viewers, along with the final daily ratings for TBBT.  Households is usually out around 9:30-10 AM EST.  The overnight demo and viewers is usually out around 11:30 AM EST.  The final daily ratings are usually out around 4:30-5:30 PM EST.   I've been looking around, hoping to get some more breakouts, but it isn't easy.

Other members, if they have the data, have provided the ratings for other countries.  In the past members have provided ratings from Canada, Germany, and The United Kingdom.   

While the date and times listed above are the usual times I get the ratings, holidays, and various other things sometimes delay the information.   If it will be delayed (or even not available), I usually try to let everyone know with a post.  

I usually have tried, for the last several years,  to start this thread a week or two before the season.   I do that so I can put up a post on what exactly those terms (Live + SD, Live + 7, demo, etc) mean, and how the ratings are gathered, so new members, or those who don't know those terms, will be able to follow along.  

I'll also normally have a post on how TBBT did last year (I did one at the end of the year, but I'll put a shortened version here), compared to 2014-15, 2015-16, and 2016-2017 along with how it did compared to other shows last year.   There will also be some information on how TBBT repeats did last year (hint, the repeat ratings were higher than the average of all the first run shows).  

Unfortunately, this year brought Hurricane Irma and has thrown my schedule off a bit.  I will get to the those post I mentioned later this month and the beginning of October.   I apologize for the delay.

Also, sometime toward the last week of September, to the first couple of weeks of October, , I usually get an estimate of the ad rates for the coming year and I have done a post comparing the previous years and the ten shows with the highest ad rates.  Fortunately, those aren't out yet, so I'm not behind. 

If there are any questions, feel free to ask, in the thread, and I'll do my best to answer them.

Tensor

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Week 01 Early Household Ratings; 25 September, 2018

Shows indicated with an asterisk (*) are repeat.

TBBT  ran season 12 Premiere  last night. At 8 PM 12.01 The Conjugal Configuration .  It had a 9.1 Household Rating.  The HH rating was down 2.3 points , from last years Premiere.   

In households, number one for the night was TBBT with that 9.1.   In second was Young Sheldon, with a 7.1  Household rating.  This was down 3.6 points in Households from last year.   In third, was  Manifest (a new series) with a 7.0, down five tenths, in Households, from last year's third place show.

One note, last year,  The Voice's Household rating in it's second hour went up 1.1 points from it's rating against TBBT and up nine tenths from it's rating against Young Sheldon.  This year, it was up only three tenths from it rating against TBBT and only up one tenth from it's rating against Young Sheldon.   

 

The numbers for viewers and demos will be up shortly.  

 

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You're the numbers expert but doesn't that make TBBT down roughly 20% and YS down 30%?

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Season 10 finale had a big cliffhanger so the Season 11 opener was going to get big ratings.  Not sure it is necessarily fair to compare opener ratings in this case.

If I was CBS what would concern me is those YS ratings and how the show will fare with TBBT not leading it in going forward.

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I know several people who didn't realize it was on last night and plan to see it Thursday. Not sure how they could not know, but they said they didn't.

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4 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I know several people who didn't realize it was on last night and plan to see it Thursday. Not sure how they could not know, but they said they didn't.

I guess the confusion might be because it's airing this week with a new episode on both Monday and Thursday.

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Week 01 Overnights and Demo Breakouts for 25 September, 2018

 

CBS ran the premiere of TBBT 12.01 The Conjugal Configuration.  It pulled in a 2.4 demo, with a 11 share and 12.71 million viewers.  From last years premiere overnight numbers, this was down 1.5 demo points (3.9 last year, a drop of 39%), down 2 share points(13 last year, a drop of 16%) and down 4.26 million (16.97 million last year, a drop of 26%)  

TBBT was number one in demo with that 2.4.   In second was Manifest (a new show) with a 2.2.  In third was The Voice with a 2.0 (down six tenths from last year. Note that Young Sheldon didn't make the top three.  For viewers, TBBT was first with the 12.71 million viewers.  In  second was Young Sheldon with 10.55 million viewers (down 6.02 million).  And in third was the new series Manifest, with 10.31  million viewers (down 1.51 million). 

 In the 18-34 demo, Manifest was in first  with a 1.3 (down eight tenths from last years number one show),  In second was The Voice at 1.25, (down .55 and in third was TBBT with a 1.2 (down .6 from last years number three).    In the 25-54 demo, TBBT was first with a 3.7 demo (down 1.9 from last year) . In second,  was Maifest with a 3.0 (down 2.3 from last year's second place show, Young Sheldon), and in third was The Voice,  with a 2.9, (down four tenths from last year).   

For Young Sheldon, it only appeared in the top three for viewers.   It was down two full points in demo (3.7 last year, 1.7 this year down 55%), down a full point in the 18-34 demo (1.9 last year, 0.9 this year, down 53%) and in the 25-54 it was down 2.5 demo points (5.3 last year, 2.8 this year, down 48%).   In viewers, it was down 47%.

  The finals will be up later, when I get them. 

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6 hours ago, Tensor said:

Week 01 Overnights and Demo Breakouts for 25 September, 2018

 

CBS ran the premiere of TBBT 12.01 The Conjugal Configuration.  It pulled in a 2.4 demo, with a 11 share and 12.71 million viewers.  From last years premiere overnight numbers, this was down 1.5 demo points (3.9 last year, a drop of 39%), down 2 share points(13 last year, a drop of 16%) and down 4.26 million (16.97 million last year, a drop of 26%)  

TBBT was number one in demo with that 2.4.   In second was Manifest (a new show) with a 2.2.  In third was The Voice with a 2.0 (down six tenths from last year. Note that Young Sheldon didn't make the top three.  For viewers, TBBT was first with the 12.71 million viewers.  In  second was Young Sheldon with 10.55 million viewers (down 6.02 million).  And in third was the new series Manifest, with 10.31  million viewers (down 1.51 million). 

 In the 18-34 demo, Manifest was in first  with a 1.3 (down eight tenths from last years number one show),  In second was The Voice at 1.25, (down .55 and in third was TBBT with a 1.2 (down .6 from last years number three).    In the 25-54 demo, TBBT was first with a 3.7 demo (down 1.9 from last year) . In second,  was Maifest with a 3.0 (down 2.3 from last year's second place show, Young Sheldon), and in third was The Voice,  with a 2.9, (down four tenths from last year).   

For Young Sheldon, it only appeared in the top three for viewers.   It was down two full points in demo (3.7 last year, 1.7 this year down 55%), down a full point in the 18-34 demo (1.9 last year, 0.9 this year, down 53%) and in the 25-54 it was down 2.5 demo points (5.3 last year, 2.8 this year, down 48%).   In viewers, it was down 47%.

  The finals will be up later, when I get them. 

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I don't really know, but these rating numbers for Tbbt feels pretty low to be a season premiere.

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Week 01 Final Ratings For Tuesday, September 26, 2018.  For broadcasts, 25 September, 2018

At 8:00 PM, the new episode of TBBT, 12.01, The Conjugal Configuration , brought in a 2.5, with 12.92 million people, up a tenth  in demo and up  210,000 viewers from the overnights. This was down 1.6 in demo and down 4.73  million viewers, from last years premiere.

In first place, for demo, was TBBT with that 2.5.  In second was Manifest with a 2.2, even with the overnights, and down 1.6 from last years number 2 show (Young Sheldon).  In third was The Voice, with a 2.0, even with the overnights, but down six tenths from last years number three show (The Voice  at 2.6)

For viewers, TBBT was number one with those 12.92 million viewers. Young Sheldon was second with 10.58 million, up 30,000 from the overnights, but down 6.63 million from last year's number 2 (Young Sheldon) .  Manifest was in third at 10.40 million viewers, up 90,000 from the overnights, but down 820,000 viewers from last year.  

The takeaway is that both TBBT and Young Sheldon lost multiple millions of viewers from last seasons premiere, while the third place show was down less than a million.   Same with demo, TBBT was down 1.6 in demo,  The second place show (Manifest) was also down 1.6 from last years number 2 show.  But last year's number 2 show, Young Sheldon, was down 2.1 from last years premiere (it finished with a 1.7 demo today) .   The third place show (last year and this year)   The Voice, meanwhile, only dropped six tenths.

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11 hours ago, Jonny said:

Season 10 finale had a big cliffhanger so the Season 11 opener was going to get big ratings.  Not sure it is necessarily fair to compare opener ratings in this case.

If I was CBS what would concern me is those YS ratings and how the show will fare with TBBT not leading it in going forward.

Yes if i was cbs i would be worried about ys i know jim has every right to make hes decision but i think he might have done some here  cant see ys going on to be truthful  and that's a shame 

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14 hours ago, Chrismo said:

You're the numbers expert but doesn't that make TBBT down roughly 20% and YS down 30%?

Close enough for government work.  

 

12 hours ago, Jonny said:

Season 10 finale had a big cliffhanger so the Season 11 opener was going to get big ratings.  Not sure it is necessarily fair to compare opener ratings in this case.

A lot of people last year were talking about and some were bragging about how big last year's premiere was.   If the big cliffhanger can be used to claim the show is doing well in ratings,  then the big cliffhanger and be used to claim there is a problem with the drop in ratings. 

 

12 hours ago, Jonny said:

If I was CBS what would concern me is those YS ratings and how the show will fare with TBBT not leading it in going forward.

Yes, those YS ratings are troubling.   What's going to happen next year, when the built in audience from TBBT is no longer supplying people to watch YS.  Last year, TBBT had a final demo of 4.1, YS had a demo of 3.8, only three tenths less.  This year, TBBT had a demo of 2.5, and YS had a demo of 1.7, eight tenths less.  The situation was worse with total viewers.   Last year YS lost around 350-400k in viewers from TBBT.  This year, YS lost over 2 million viewers from TBBT.  

 

11 hours ago, Swedish Chef said:

I don't really know, but these rating numbers for Tbbt feels pretty low to be a season premiere.

They are very low, for TBBT.  This is the first season premiere that did not break a 3.0.   

The season premiere demo number for all twelve seasons.    

Season 1:     3.7
Season 2:     3.6
Season 3:     4.7
Season 4:     4.9
Season 5:     4.9
Season 6:     5.0
Season 7:     5.5
Season 8:     5.5
Season 9:     4.7
Season 10:   3.8
Season 11:   4.1
Season 12:   2.5

 

To quote Amy: "One of these things is not like the other, one of these things should die alone."

 

 

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The final ratings for TBBT on Thursday, 27 September were

2.2 demo

12.04 million viewers.  

Both of these were up a bit form the overnights (it was below 12 Million in the overnights) 

Ratings for Thursday were down  0.3 in demo and down 880,000 viewers from the Premiere on Monday.

I've been busy with several things and I'll get to the usual ratings posts (I have placeholder posts that are currently hidden so they will be in their proper places) sometime over the next week, I hope.  

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30 minutes ago, Tensor said:

The final ratings for TBBT on Thursday, 27 September were

2.2 demo

12.04 million viewers.  

Both of these were up a bit form the overnights (it was below 12 Million in the overnights) 

Ratings for Thursday were down  0.3 in demo and down 880,000 viewers from the Premiere on Monday.

I've been busy with several things and I'll get to the usual ratings posts (I have placeholder posts that are currently hidden so they will be in their proper places) sometime over the next week, I hope.  

i live in Australia but wasn't football on last night  would that affect the ratings because tbbt never gone uo against football have they didn't cbs and nbc have football last couple of years

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  Last year, CBS only had seven games, and NBC had the other six or seven, so there were times when the show went up against football.  They were all in the high 2s (2.7-2.9).  This was down   I'll have a better idea when I see the Live + 3 and Live + 7, but so far, this season for the show is not starting out well.  

This is Us was down just under a quarter  (23%) from last years premiere. TBBT was down almost 40% (39%) from last year.   For info, YS was at 1.6  

In terms of viewers, the show hasn't been this low (12.04 and under 12 million in the overnights) since the second season..

As I was telling someone else, I have a strong suspicion, based on how other years have gone, that TBBT will be in the mid ones (1.5 or so) for demo and YS will be fractional (under a 1.0) by the end of the year. 

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I do not like what the writers are doing with the show right now, but I'm surprised it is THIS low, given that it is already known to be and advertised as the last season.

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20 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Having the two eps in one week confused the heck out of a lot of people I know. I don't know if it affected ratings.

So people decided to watch neither night?

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2 hours ago, Chrismo said:

So people decided to watch neither night?

I don't know. But I never thought they should have extended the run the last time.

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Could it be that people are sick of the Sheldon Show, haven’t the ratings steadily declined since season 7.

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Here is the thing, the only fans that we read in the media are the more vocal fans, the ones that have a definite opinion and want to make it known.  However, how much of the fan base do they really represent, 10%, maybe more or less?  What do the fans not posting think, maybe they were drawn to the original story of the group of nerds and Penny, or the nerd and cheerleader story, Sheldon being only comic relief to those stories.  Therefore, now that it is a Sheldon Show these fans are leaving more and more as the show centers more and more on Sheldon.

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2 hours ago, SRAM said:

What do the fans not posting think, maybe they were drawn to the original story of the group of nerds and Penny, or the nerd and cheerleader story, Sheldon being only comic relief to those stories.

Totally agree most fans aren't where they can post. That is a super important point. I liked the group of nerds, and still like ensemble eps best, but I didn't see Sheldon as comic relief only in the beginning. Everyone was reacting to him most of the time, or he was reacting to them. To me comic relief is something silly that happens in a serious situation to lighten things up and relieve the dramatic tension.

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Week 2,  October 1-7

Top 10, non-sports shows for 24-30 Sept in Demo

Show                                            18-49 demo                 demo viewers

THIS IS US                                   P                3.0                                        3,832

THE BIG BANG THEORY           P                 2.5                                        3,184

THE BIG BANG THEORY                             2.2                                         2,857

THE VOICE                                 P                 2.2                                         2,793

MANIFEST                                 P                 2.2                                          2,786

60 MINUTES                              P                2.2                                          2,783

THE VOICE                                                   2.0                                          2,619

EMPIRE                                      P                 1.9                                          2,507           

GREY’S ANATOMY                    P                1.9                                           2,410

NEW AMSTERDAM                  P                 1.8                                            2,371

 

Top 10, non-sports shows for 24-30 Sept, for viewers 

Show                                                           Viewers

60 MINUTES                                 P                13,537

THE BIG BANG THEORY             P                12,933

NCIS                                              P                12,566

THE BIG BANG THEORY                                12,045

YOUNG SHELDON                      P                 10,589

THIS IS US                                    P                 10,552

MANIFEST                                    P                 10,411

YOUNG SHELDON                                         10,214

GOD FRIENDED ME                    P                 10,135

FBI                                                 P                 10,089

 

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I'm not an expert about ratings but it seems about the same as last week?

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