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2 minutes ago, April said:

Both Blossom and Beaches are kinda cult classics in the respective demographics so that's definitely score for Mayim!

Yes!  And I think you are legendary with oak leaf clusters if you are mentioned for one said legenday role on a sit-com that later hires you!!!

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13 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

Yes!  And I think you are legendary with oak leaf clusters if you are mentioned for one said legenday role on a sit-com that later hires you!!!

Nope, just lucky!

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2 hours ago, chucky said:

No, I would say either Johnny with his two big hit shows, or Kaley as a main character in three different shows for TV! 

No one on the Big Bang Theory qualifies as a legend yet and I doubt if any of them ever will. Again, to me they are all perfectly adequate sitcom actors as I see it but none of them are great truly actors. They've all been very lucky in getting parts that suited them and that's that.

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10 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

No one on the Big Bang Theory qualifies as a legend yet and I doubt if any of them ever will. Again, to me they are all perfectly adequate sitcom actors as I see it but none of them are great truly actors. They've all been very lucky in getting parts that suited them and that's that.

Never said they were. My comment was Johnny and Kaley were closer than Jim IMHO.

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37 minutes ago, chucky said:

Never said they were. My comment was Johnny and Kaley were closer than Jim IMHO.

That is definitely your opinion and your opinion alone. My opinion is not a darned one of them is even close.
 

The grammar and spelling in this make it appalling to read but there are still some interesting parts.
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7 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

That is definitely your opinion and your opinion alone. My opinion is not a darned one of them is even close.
 

The grammar and spelling in this make it appalling to read but there are still some interesting parts.
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Oh well, as Forrest Gump said "Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get". If it's my opinion alone, then it's my opinion alone. It don't matter to me!

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9 hours ago, shell said:

IDK 12 years on a series sealed the deal for me

Then I guess Jon Cryer being on TAAHM for 12 years make a him a legend  too....   Please! 

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3 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

Actually, if we are going to toss around the word legendary, I think Mayim fits that better than Jim.  As you said, she was the main/title character in a sitcom, starred in another very short-lived comedy (sorry, I can't remember the name) and had a central role in a notable movie (Beaches).  Raj even mentioned her on an early episode of TBBT (was it the Physics Bowl episode???) years before Amy made her first appearance. 

Oh well, to each their own! But, I disagree!

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4 hours ago, Tribble said:

So Mayim deserves it even more then? She was the title character on one show and now a main character in TBBT.

Blossom was only mediocrely popular at most. it only had 1 Season in the Top 30 and the best it did was 27th. It didn't win any awards and  It kind of a forgotten 90s show now.  

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43 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Then I guess Jon Cryer being on TAAHM for 12 years make a him a legend  too....   Please! 

No I never said Cryer is a legend. I don't even think many years on a sitcom is a major qualification. I think what we're looking for is quality. 

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10 minutes ago, shell said:

No I never said Cryer is a legend. I don't even think many years on a sitcom is a major qualification. I think what we're looking for is quality. 

Go back and look at your post. You reasoning is Jim should be considered a legend just because he spent 12 years on The Big Bang theory. Jon Cryer also spent 12 Years on a TV Show.  You are contradicting yourself 

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Just now, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Go back and look at your post. You reasoning is Jim should be considered a legend just because he spent 12 years on The Big Bang theory. Jon Cryer also spent 12 Years on a TV Show.  You are contradicting yourself 

No, if you read earlier posts, Chuck said Parsons hasn't been around long enough so I just countered and said  I believe 12 years is long enough. My reasoning is stated in previous posts.  I never said Cryer or anyone else should be legend just because he was in a series for 12 years. Parsons has won awards and his work elsewhere excels, in my opinion.

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1 hour ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Then I guess Jon Cryer being on TAAHM for 12 years make a him a legend  too....   Please! 

He is a legend for Pretty in Pink if anything. That's another cult classic.

50 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Blossom was only mediocrely popular at most. it only had 1 Season in the Top 30 and the best it did was 27th. It didn't win any awards and  It kind of a forgotten 90s show now.

I didn't like it and didn't watch it. But I did like Beaches.

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3 hours ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Blossom was only mediocrely popular at most. it only had 1 Season in the Top 30 and the best it did was 27th. It didn't win any awards and  It kind of a forgotten 90s show now.  

Hardly, Blossom is a cult classic, wether you agree with it or not.

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18 minutes ago, Tribble said:

Hardly, Blossom is a cult classic, wether you agree with it or not.

Seeing as it's not on TV in reruns. It must not be that big anymore. Or it has a very small cult following.

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Hardly, Blossom is a cult classic, wether you agree with it or not.
My wife and watched it once and that was enough for us

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1 hour ago, Tribble said:

Hardly, Blossom is a cult classic, wether you agree with it or not.

Blossom is a good definition of a cult classic.  Not very well regarded or highly rated when it was on, and mostly remembered by a small group of people.  

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1 hour ago, legacy99 said:

My wife and watched it once and that was enough for us

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I tried to watch it, but I only lasted 5 minutes.

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15 hours ago, shell said:

...where as Jim was able to make an infuriating, unlikable character be liked by many. The show wouldn't have had such high ratings if one of the main characters was disliked.

 

I liked him early in the run, as the writers had him more of an innocent, than unlikeable.  It's only after they started making him aware of what he was doing, and he kept doing it, did he become unlikeable for me.   The big draw, for me, was the differences between his innocent reactions and the reactions of the others, who didn't get he really didn't understand what he was doing, socially.

15 hours ago, shell said:

The show wouldn't have had such high ratings if one of the main characters was disliked. 

And that is based on, what exactly?   Perhaps you can point out what exactly the rating would have been if he had been unlikeable.  

15 hours ago, shell said:

 I do love Newhart but my opinion Jim is up there with him. I feel saying that 'quirky' characters are the ones that receive awards and not the actors who play characters that are the 'calm in the eye of the storm' is just a loose statement.   

How about we tighten it up then.  Lets see, Starting in 1965, when the comedy and drama awards were separated 

Don Adams, Maxwell Smart   Get Smart 3 times

Jack Klugman/Tony Randall  Oscar Madison/Felix Unger  Odd Couple  3 awards. 

Carroll O'Conner  Archie Bunker  All in the Family   4 awards

Jack Albertson    Ed Brown    Chico and the Man

Alan Alda     Hawkeye Pierce   MASH        2 Awards

Richard Mulligan    Bert Campbell/Dr Harry Weston     Soap/Empty Nest

Robert Guillaume     Benson DuBois           Benson

John Ritter     Jack Tripper        Three's Company    

Craig T Nelson       Hayden Fox           Coach

Micheal J Fox   Alex Keaton         Family Ties   3 Awards

Ted Danson     Sam Malone       Cheers

Kelsey Grammar      Fraiser Cane      Fraiser   4 awards

John Lithgow     Dick Solomon      Third Rock From the Sun      3 Awards

Alec Baldwin    Jack Donaghy        30 Rock                      2 Awards

Tony Shalhoub    Adrian Monk          Monk                        2 Awards

Jim Parsons        Sheldon Cooper       The Big Bang Theory      4 awards

Jeffrey Tambor     Maura Pfefferman     Transparent          2 awards.  

That's 39 out of the fifty years it was awarded from 1965 to 2015.   The list here are the obvious ones, and there could be ten more, but that may get into a discussion of what exactly is quirky.  

The list for best supporting actor is even more loaded towards quirky and includes such actors as Don Knotts (with five awards), John Larroquette with four (all consecutive and he refused to be put up for any more awards, after the fourth)  five actors with three, and eight with two.   And, again, only the obvious ones, there cold be another 4 quirky characters. 

15 hours ago, shell said:

  Jim was well-deserved. My opinion.

Again, I'm not saying Jim didn't deserve the award, an actor still has to play the role.  But, they are, in comedy, far more likely to be awarded to a quirky or oddball character than a calm eye of the storm type character.   But, in my opinion, awards are overrated.  Does anyone really think that Jon Cryer deserved his Emmy for acting the year he won, or was it just pity due to the circumstances?  

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7 hours ago, Tensor said:

 

 

I liked him early in the run, as the writers had him more of an innocent, than unlikeable.  It's only after they started making him aware of what he was doing, and he kept doing it, did he become unlikeable for me.   The big draw, for me, was the differences between his innocent reactions and the reactions of the others, who didn't get he really didn't understand what he was doing, socially.

And that is based on, what exactly?   Perhaps you can point out what exactly the rating would have been if he had been unlikeable.  

How about we tighten it up then.  Lets see, Starting in 1965, when the comedy and drama awards were separated 

Don Adams, Maxwell Smart   Get Smart 3 times

Jack Klugman/Tony Randall  Oscar Madison/Felix Unger  Odd Couple  3 awards. 

Carroll O'Conner  Archie Bunker  All in the Family   4 awards

Jack Albertson    Ed Brown    Chico and the Man

Alan Alda     Hawkeye Pierce   MASH        2 Awards

Richard Mulligan    Bert Campbell/Dr Harry Weston     Soap/Empty Nest

Robert Guillaume     Benson DuBois           Benson

John Ritter     Jack Tripper        Three's Company    

Craig T Nelson       Hayden Fox           Coach

Micheal J Fox   Alex Keaton         Family Ties   3 Awards

Ted Danson     Sam Malone       Cheers

Kelsey Grammar      Fraiser Cane      Fraiser   4 awards

John Lithgow     Dick Solomon      Third Rock From the Sun      3 Awards

Alec Baldwin    Jack Donaghy        30 Rock                      2 Awards

Tony Shalhoub    Adrian Monk          Monk                        2 Awards

Jim Parsons        Sheldon Cooper       The Big Bang Theory      4 awards

Jeffrey Tambor     Maura Pfefferman     Transparent          2 awards.  

That's 39 out of the fifty years it was awarded from 1965 to 2015.   The list here are the obvious ones, and there could be ten more, but that may get into a discussion of what exactly is quirky.  

The list for best supporting actor is even more loaded towards quirky and includes such actors as Don Knotts (with five awards), John Larroquette with four (all consecutive and he refused to be put up for any more awards, after the fourth)  five actors with three, and eight with two.   And, again, only the obvious ones, there cold be another 4 quirky characters. 

Again, I'm not saying Jim didn't deserve the award, an actor still has to play the role.  But, they are, in comedy, far more likely to be awarded to a quirky or oddball character than a calm eye of the storm type character.   But, in my opinion, awards are overrated.  Does anyone really think that Jon Cryer deserved his Emmy for acting the year he won, or was it just pity due to the circumstances?  

Okay, I'm not going to spend hours to research an answer for a forum. I would also say awards do not mean a whole lot to me but they hold some meaning, especially if an actor is awarded multiple times..

Actors usually get quirky roles because they're good actors. I remember Johnny Galecki saying, I think it was an interview with King was, 'he feels Jim Parsons is a genius, he could never do what he does.' Yes, Judd Hirsch in Taxi was a great actor but so was Danny Devito and Christopher Lloyd,Andy Kauffman and so on. Quirky takes a lot of work and dedication from the actor.

 

12 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

He is a legend for Pretty in Pink if anything. That's another cult classic.

 

Wait, you feel Heston is legend, not any BBT actors but John Cryer is because of dopey 80's movie? What is going on here?

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1 hour ago, shell said:

Okay, I'm not going to spend hours to research an answer for a forum. I would also say awards do not mean a whole lot to me but they hold some meaning, especially if an actor is awarded multiple times..

Actors usually get quirky roles because they're good actors. I remember Johnny Galecki saying, I think it was an interview with King was, 'he feels Jim Parsons is a genius, he could never do what he does.' Yes, Judd Hirsch in Taxi was a great actor but so was Danny Devito and Christopher Lloyd,Andy Kauffman and so on. Quirky takes a lot of work and dedication from the actor.

 

Wait, you feel Heston is legend, not any BBT actors but John Cryer is because of dopey 80's movie? What is going on here?

I've been asking myself that question a lot lately! :hi:

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2 hours ago, shell said:

Wait, you feel Heston is legend, not any BBT actors but John Cryer is because of dopey 80's movie? What is going on here?

Perhaps part of being a "legend" is having been known for a long time. I'm thinking of Heston and flock of others. TBBT is only 12 years old. Maybe 12 to 14 years from now we will know if any of these TBBT people have become legends.

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1 hour ago, djsurrey said:

Perhaps part of being a "legend" is having been known for a long time. I'm thinking of Heston and flock of others. TBBT is only 12 years old. Maybe 12 to 14 years from now we will know if any of these TBBT people have become legends.

Good point but I believe this person doesn't feel TBBT cast will ever become legends😵 (Hint of previous post)

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22 minutes ago, shell said:

Good point but I believe this person doesn't feel TBBT cast will ever become legends😵 (Hint of previous post)

I certainly see Jim, Johnny and Kaley quite possibly becoming legends in the future. Mayim, maybe! If not, I see her, Melissa, Simon and Kunal, all having long, respectful and meaningful careers!

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8 hours ago, shell said:

Wait, you feel Heston is legend, not any BBT actors but John Cryer is because of dopey 80's movie? What is going on here?

We were talking about cult classics and within THAT framework Pretty in Pink is legendary.

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