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On 8/11/2018 at 6:49 AM, djsurrey said:

Not to split hairs but refugees are also migrants.

What we call migrant workers in the Midwest are people who come to work in agricultural areas, make money and then take it home. Some send it home and stay of course, but many do not. Just muddying the waters more...lol.

 

2 hours ago, son-goku5 said:

Some people might believe those things to be documentaries.

If they are dumb people, which alas, many of them are. Try working at a historical site and explaining who Pocahontas really was to people. You'll lose your mind quickly. And don't get me started on Anastasia.

On 8/11/2018 at 4:57 AM, son-goku5 said:

Isn't it amazing that the British Empire had such a high crime rate that they were able to populate two continents with their prisoners?

Sorry I missed this before...yes, but it was hard to free yourself from debtor's prison if you were in debtor's prison, for one example.

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6 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

What we call migrant workers in the Midwest are people who come to work in agricultural areas, make money and then take it home. Some send it home and stay of course, but many do not. Just muddying the waters more...lol.

Yes. The meanings of the word are broad. 

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6 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

What we call migrant workers in the Midwest are people who come to work in agricultural areas, make money and then take it home. Some send it home and stay of course, but many do not. Just muddying the waters more...lol.

 

56 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

Yes. The meanings of the word are broad. 

Well, the word simply means that someone moves around. When I have to cook dinner, I have to migrate to the kitchen ^^

People who come into a country and stay are the Immigrants and those who leave for good are the Emigrants. But Great Britain experiences the same thing the US experiences now. Migrants have been villified and now, when less people are migrating or they get their kids taken away before sent to prison, and farmers see their produce on the fields rotting away because the seasonal labor isn't coming anymore.

Just a side note. Mar-a-lago, one of those clubs owned by Trump where he steals money from the tax payer, just last month applied to hire 61 foreign workers (cooks, waiters etc) for the winter season.Weirdly enough, the H-2B visa program, that applies to seasonal foreign, non-agricultural workers is the only program that has been expanded under Trump. I wonder why... /s

7 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Sorry I missed this before...yes, but it was hard to free yourself from debtor's prison if you were in debtor's prison, for one example.

Never understood how they expected these debtors to pay back their debts when they put them into a cell where they do nothing but cost money to those who hold them

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This speaks for itself.

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John Brennan: President Trump’s Claims of No Collusion Are Hogwash

That’s why the president revoked my security clearance: to try to silence anyone who would dare challenge him.

By John O. Brennan

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/opinion/john-brennan-trump-russia-collusion-security-clearance.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region

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Especially since Trump himself has said in the Wall Street Journal interview he did afterwards, that he revoked Brennan's clearance because Brennan was part of the people who started the investigation into him (which he wasn't)

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He needs a better lawyer.

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He added: "When you tell me that he should testify because he's going to tell the truth and he shouldn't worry, well that's so silly because it's somebody's version of the truth. Not the truth."

Todd responded: "Truth is truth." Mr Giuliani said: "Truth isn't truth."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45241838

 

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If there is no truth then...  

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Growth of natural gas and other alternatives to petroleum has reduced the need for imported oil, which “in turn affects the need of the nation to conserve energy”, the US energy department said. It also cited fracking, which has unlocked shale oil reserves, for giving “the United States more flexibility than in the past to use our oil resources with less concern”.

The administration is formally challenging old justifications for conservation – even congressionally prescribed ones such as mileage standards. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/19/conserving-oil-no-longer-necessary-for-us-says-trump-administration 

Even if climate change was not an issue they have to know that it is a non renewable resource. We are not all 70 like Trump and some of us love our kids.

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9 hours ago, djsurrey said:

If there is no truth then...  

Even if climate change was not an issue they have to know that it is a non renewable resource. We are not all 70 like Trump and some of us love our kids.

It's that kind of shortsightedness that will hurt in the end.

For example, the oil sheiks are pulling out all the oil they can right now, and they and the fossil fuel industry use lobbyists against electric cars. So what will happen when the oil dries up? If the entire world would switch to electric cars tomorrow, every exisiting fossil fuel car exchanged for an electric one, the world would still need a lot of oil to make plastic, or fertilizers or any of the other products that need oil-based ingredients.

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So it comes to pass...
 

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Michael Cohen says he paid hush money to women at Trump's direction

Trump ignored questions about Cohen as he boarded Air Force One for a campaign visit to West Virginia

The Associated Press · Posted: Aug 21, 2018 2:34 PM ET | Last Updated: 18 minutes ago

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-lawyer-cohen-plea-deal-1.4793381

and on BBC

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US President Donald Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen has pleaded guilty in a Manhattan court to violating campaign finance laws.

He said he did so at the direction of "the candidate", acting for the "purpose of influencing the election".

Mr Cohen's admission was related to hush money paid to Mr Trump's alleged mistresses.

The 51-year-old admitted eight counts, including tax and bank fraud in a plea deal with prosecutors.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45265546

 

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On 8/19/2018 at 5:36 PM, djsurrey said:

If there is no truth then...  

Even if climate change was not an issue they have to know that it is a non renewable resource. We are not all 70 like Trump and some of us love our kids.

That is exactly why nuclear energy is needed, it produces less pollution and conserves fossil fuels.

Climate change is real and is because the earth revolves around the sun and spins on its axis, man-made climate change is bullshit science.

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1 hour ago, SRAM said:

man-made climate change is bullshit science.

Perhaps you have an alternative explanation for match between the increase in CO2 and the increase of the global mean temperature of the earth?  

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If you need something further back, he is the CO2 going back to 1750, again a match between CO2.  I would love to see how you match these with the revolution around the sun and spin on its access, instead of man-made increase due to the burning of carbon based fuels.   

 

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An undocumented immigrant killed that girl in Iowa and we are talking about the trials. Just like when Clinton was doing the nasty in the White House people then like now only care what the stock market is doing and jobs.

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7 hours ago, SRAM said:

That is exactly why nuclear energy is needed, it produces less pollution and conserves fossil fuels.

But nuclear has two big problems (if you ignore the danger of a meltdown).

1. It's very hard to safely dispose of the end product.

2. If you switched the worlds entire energy needs to nuclear, the world's Uranium supply would be gone in 10 years.

The immediate future should be solar and wind. Every day, the sun shines more then ten times the world's energy needs down on the earth. And there are places on earth (American southwest, high plains) where strong winds are common, perfect for wind farms.

Problem there of course is the transportation of energy. Mankind should work on ways to transmit and store large amounts of energy.

Long-term research for energy should go into fusion technology and thorium reactors, both of which create clean energy without a dangerous byproduct

7 hours ago, SRAM said:

Climate change is real and is because the earth revolves around the sun and spins on its axis, man-made climate change is bullshit science.

Yes, climate change always happened in the planet's history and I agree that the term "man-made" is misleading (just as the term global warming was misleading, since climate change can produce extremes in both ways).

The current climate change is what I call "man-enhanced". When climate change happened before, there weren't 7+ billion people and 1+ billion cows (and other livestock animals) on this planet who produce a gigantic amount of greenhouse gases while at the same time cutting down huge amounts of forests.

The current CO2 level is somewhere around 400 parts per million. The last time it was that high, humans haven't existed yet, so we're basically in uncharted territory. And looking at the current climate world wide, it's obvious what kind of extremes we can and will have in the future. Basically the entire northern hemisphere was/is baking in hot weather, and parts of Australia experience an extreme drought currently, even though it's Winter down there.

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7 hours ago, Chrismo said:

An undocumented immigrant killed that girl in Iowa and we are talking about the trials. Just like when Clinton was doing the nasty in the White House people then like now only care what the stock market is doing and jobs.

And how many american citizens have murdered another citizen today?

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11 hours ago, Chrismo said:

An undocumented immigrant killed that girl in Iowa and we are talking about the trials. Just like when Clinton was doing the nasty in the White House people then like now only care what the stock market is doing and jobs.

And thousands of US citizens murdered people yesterday...but you want us to focus on one person. Not that I am not sorry for this girl and family, but they are not alone. And as for Clinton, yes, he was a cheater, but so were at least a dozen other presidents and that doesn't mean at some point it should not stop, but it doesn't affect my life personally while the stock market and jobs situation does.

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2 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

And thousands of US citizens murdered people yesterday...but you want us to focus on one person. Not that I am not sorry for this girl and family, but they are not alone. And as for Clinton, yes, he was a cheater, but so were at least a dozen other presidents and that doesn't mean at some point it should not stop, but it doesn't affect my life personally while the stock market and jobs situation does.

And even if Clinton was a cheater, the current president is a much worse one. Married multiple times and has cheated on every single one of his wives, more than once.

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4 minutes ago, son-goku5 said:

And even if Clinton was a cheater, the current president is a much worse one. Married multiple times and has cheated on every single one of his wives, more than once.

Don't know anything about Trump's adulteries, only know that Clinton's famous shenanigens involved abuse of power - ie  he 'did not impale' with a subordinate. ( We call that 'breach of trust' and it can be prosecuted, even if the victim is over the age of consent. ) What I think is worse is that after he'd abused one ( that we know of )  woman, his wife stayed with him. And then ran for the same office herself. So much for the sisterhood. So much for showing respect for office. Might as well have had a philandering king.

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24 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Don't know anything about Trump's adulteries, only know that Clinton's famous shenanigens involved abuse of power - ie  he 'did not impale' with a subordinate. ( We call that 'breach of trust' and it can be prosecuted, even if the victim is over the age of consent. ) What I think is worse is that after he'd abused one ( that we know of )  woman, his wife stayed with him. And then ran for the same office herself. So much for the sisterhood. So much for showing respect for office. Might as well have had a philandering king.

I never heard that Clinton actually had sex with Lewinski, it was a blowjob (he did have another affair, Paula Jones I think, but he wasn't president at the time). But what was his "abuse of power"? I knew he lied about it, which he was impeached for.

As for Trump, he cheated on his first wife Ivana very openly. Tabloids covered it all the time, when he was at parties with Marla Maples (who later became his second wife).

And remember, Trump cheated on his third wife Melania with at least two women (Karen McDougal and Stephanie Clifford aka Stormy Daniels) mere months after Melania gave birth to Barron. But that is something Trump has said about Ivana before, that she wasn't as pretty anymore after giving him three kids.

And as for Hillary staying with Bill. Evangelicals essentially revere Trump, an atheist who broke all but one commandments (broke at least 6, we don't know about 3 others), cheated on and later divorced his wifes. He was somehow better in that regard than a woman who took the "til death does us part" part of the wedding vows seriously.

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6 hours ago, son-goku5 said:

And how many american citizens have murdered another citizen today?

The goal posts are moving here. One had nothing to do with another.Some things can’t be helped. Citizen murders can’t be helped. Wish they could. Enforcing immigration laws can. You would probably agree with the tweet that mentioned an illegal saving a life of a six year old. I’m sure that’s very reassuring to Mollie’s family.

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18 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

The goal posts are moving here. One had nothing to do with another.Some things can’t be helped. Citizen murders can’t be helped. Wish they could. Enforcing immigration laws can. You would probably agree with the tweet that mentioned an illegal saving a life of a six year old. I’m sure that’s very reassuring to Mollie’s family.

No, the goal posts aren't moving, we're just pointing out that cherry picking a crime done by an illegal that is done a lot more by citizens is nothing but trying to villify all immigrants. Illegal immigrants as a whole commit way fewer crimes than citizens because they don't want to get noticed by the police.

I'm sure that when I tell you that immigration from Mexico is now negative, which means that more illegal immigrants are actually leaving the US than entering it and that a wall would keep the illegals inside the US, you won't believe me.

I remember an episode of South Park, where Mexicans began to return to their home country. That led the border guards to stop the leaving Mexicans and send them back to the US so they can go "back to work". And right now, this is somewhat happening. Farmers can't find seasonal workers to harvest the ripe fruit and vegetables and a lot of that stuff rots on the fields because Americans simply don't want to do that work (and quite frankly, they can't without having to go to the doctor after the first day).

The only work visa program that the Trump administration has increased are seasonal workers for hotels (waiters, gardeners, cooks etc - these visas don't include agricultural workers) and why did he do that? Could it be because Trump's club in Florida, Mar-a-lago, needs around 70 more workers for the season and they don't want to hire americans?

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8 minutes ago, son-goku5 said:

No, the goal posts aren't moving, we're just pointing out that cherry picking a crime done by an illegal that is done a lot more by citizens is nothing but trying to villify all immigrants. Illegal immigrants as a whole commit way fewer crimes than citizens because they don't want to get noticed by the police.

I'm sure that when I tell you that immigration from Mexico is now negative, which means that more illegal immigrants are actually leaving the US than entering it and that a wall would keep the illegals inside the US, you won't believe me.

I remember an episode of South Park, where Mexicans began to return to their home country. That led the border guards to stop the leaving Mexicans and send them back to the US so they can go "back to work". And right now, this is somewhat happening. Farmers can't find seasonal workers to harvest the ripe fruit and vegetables and a lot of that stuff rots on the fields because Americans simply don't want to do that work (and quite frankly, they can't without having to go to the doctor after the first day).

The only work visa program that the Trump administration has increased are seasonal workers for hotels (waiters, gardeners, cooks etc - these visas don't include agricultural workers) and why did he do that? Could it be because Trump's club in Florida, Mar-a-lago, needs around 70 more workers for the season and they don't want to hire americans?

I get it. Being from the Midwest it means a lot to many people. Being from Germany it means nothing. You might care if it was a family member. But this useless drivel about Trump means more 

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