Season 12 Chit Chat Thread

[son-goku5]

5 hours ago, Chrismo said:

I get it. Being from the Midwest it means a lot to many people. Being from Germany it means nothing. You might care if it was a family member. But this useless drivel about Trump means more 

Yeah, paint me as the insensitive jerk. Why not.

Oh, by the way, that undocumented immigrant, who killed the young woman? He had worked for four years for Yarrabee Farms (isn't it against the law to employ illegal immigrants if they don't have proper visas?) which is owned by Craig Lang, a very prominent Iowa republican.

And that "useless drivel about Trump"? It means even more now, after his former "fixer" has now, under oath, essentially admitted that Trump is a felon

Edited August 22, 2018 by son-goku5

[Die Zimtzicke]

21 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Don't know anything about Trump's adulteries, only know that Clinton's famous shenanigens involved abuse of power - ie  he 'did not impale' with a subordinate. ( We call that 'breach of trust' and it can be prosecuted, even if the victim is over the age of consent. ) What I think is worse is that after he'd abused one ( that we know of )  woman, his wife stayed with him. And then ran for the same office herself. So much for the sisterhood. So much for showing respect for office. Might as well have had a philandering king.

Trump was screwing his second wife while married to his first and screwing his third wife while married to his second. That is proven by the ages of his kids. Many women stay with their husbands after an affair. All three of Trump's wives have tried to.

 

20 hours ago, Chrismo said:

I’m sure that’s very reassuring to Mollie’s family.

When her family says something I will listen to what they have to say. They have not. So I am not going to put words in their mouths. I doubt if they would have felt better if it was a US citizen that killed her.

 

20 hours ago, son-goku5 said:

The only work visa program that the Trump administration has increased are seasonal workers for hotels (waiters, gardeners, cooks etc - these visas don't include agricultural workers) and why did he do that? Could it be because Trump's club in Florida, Mar-a-lago, needs around 70 more workers for the season and they don't want to hire americans?

He does that every year because no one wants to work for him in that capacity. And I'd like to point out that Mexicans are also Americans since Mexico is part of North America, as is Canada. I loathe the term Americans for people in the states .

[son-goku5]

7 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

And I'd like to point out that Mexicans are also Americans since Mexico is part of North America, as is Canada. I loathe the term Americans for people in the states .

Come on, that's just splitting hairs ^^ In that case you'd have to call people from the US "United Staters". Also, that makes every person in South America and Middle America (also Greenland) Americans. And I have yet to hear someone call a Brazilian an American

[Nogravitasatall]

On 8/23/2018 at 1:47 AM, Chrismo said:

I get it. Being from the Midwest it means a lot to many people. Being from Germany it means nothing. You might care if it was a family member. But this useless drivel about Trump means more 

I feel that perhaps some are being more concerned with the personal rather than the policy. It’s a personal tragedy that an individual dies and more so when it’s an unnatural death. But there is only a weak link between policy and this tragedy. It’s known that more harm is done to US citizens by US citizens than by non-citizens.

This sad event is being used for cynical purposes to get people’s dander up and make them look elsewhere. It’s about the feels, not the policy.

Policy is about making regulatory adjustments and macroeconomic changes - like the good policy settings that lead to a sustainable 93 month long economic recovery. Bad policy is taking that trend and throwing more debt funded stimulus at it, by regressive taxation measures that favour the corporations to make stock buybacks and the already wealthy to stockpile more yachts. Bad policy is about trying to jawbone the central bank out of its role of managing inflation, resulting from the stimulus, through interest rate changes.  Throwing more cash at the military-industrial complex is not good policy. The Defense Department can’t even get through an unqualified audit. Fighting tariff wars like they did in the 1920 and 30s is not good policy.

Picking fights with a football league is not even policy.

I’m sad for the young lady’s family. But an Australian boy went for a run in the mid-west and was shot dead by some kids, an Australian girl was killed by a vehicle in New York when she was out for a bike ride, and an Australian woman, in her pyjamas, was shot dead by a police officer when she called to report a possible assault outside her house. These are personal tragedies. But I don’t think it’s sensible to conflate personal tragedies with policy, like Trump tries too.

below is official advice on visiting the USA from  https://smartraveller.gov.au/countries/americas/north/pages/united_states_of_america.aspx#safety_and_security

Crime

The United States has a higher level of violent crime than Australia but violent crime rarely involves tourists. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) website has the latest official crime statistics. These statistics show that metropolitan areas and cities tend to have higher crime and murder rates.

Gun crime is possible in all parts of the United States. It is legal in many states for US citizens to openly carry firearms in public. This advice is not updated for individual incidents, such as mass shootings or active shooter events, unless there is a significant risk to Australian travellers.

No matter where you intend to travel, research which local areas or suburbs may be less safe – check travel guides and seek local advice such as from your hotel reception or tour guide.

If you're living in the United States, familiarise yourself with emergency evacuation and 'active shooter' drills.

Read Department of Homeland Security advice on what to do if you are caught in an active shooter incident.

If you're affected by violent crime, follow the instructions and advice of local authorities.

its a fact that the USA is not the safest place to live. This young lady’s tragedy doesn’t deserve to be politicised. It can’t be closely linked to policy except by shouting.

Edited August 23, 2018 by Nogravitasatall

[Nogravitasatall]

 

And on the bad policy front...

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/403370-retailers-study-shows-more-trump-tariffs-could-cost-consumers-6-billion

[son-goku5]

8 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

I feel that perhaps some are being more concerned with the personal rather than the policy. It’s a personal tragedy that an individual dies and more so when it’s an unnatural death. But there is only a weak link between policy and this tragedy. It’s known that more harm is done to US citizens by US citizens than by non-citizens.

Trump uses this to point out that the country needs the wall. He's of course conveniently ignoring the fact (most likely because he doesn't know as usual) that the alleged murderer has been in the country for four years. So even if the wall had been already built, this particular murder would have happened anyway.

 

8 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

But I don’t think it’s sensible to conflate personal tragedies with policy, like Trump tries too.

Even the family of the woman says they don't like that her death is politicized.

[Nogravitasatall]

 

39 minutes ago, son-goku5 said:

Trump uses this to point out that the country needs the wall. He's of course conveniently ignoring the fact (most likely because he doesn't know as usual) that the alleged murderer has been in the country for four years. So even if the wall had been already built, this particular murder would have happened anyway.

 

Even the family of the woman says they don't like that her death is politicized.

Want to see a policy that will kill US citizens? 

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/402811-epa-own-plan-will-adversely-affect-human-health

Those deaths - from policy - should be the ones politicised. 

Edited August 24, 2018 by Nogravitasatall

[son-goku5]

1 hour ago, Nogravitasatall said:

 

Want to see a policy that will kill US citizens? 

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/402811-epa-own-plan-will-adversely-affect-human-health

Those deaths - from policy - should be the ones politicised. 

Their plan to get rid of the ACA will also kill people.

[Die Zimtzicke]

Tibbetts family has spoken out against making Mollie's death a reason to promote racist views. I knew they would.
https://abcn.ws/2Pv6ncF

Most important thing, I think is this part:
"The person who is accused of taking Mollie’s life is no more a reflection of the Hispanic community as white supremacists are of all white people," wrote Rob Tibbetts.

[Nogravitasatall]

On 9/4/2018 at 10:01 AM, Die Zimtzicke said:

Tibbetts family has spoken out against making Mollie's death a reason to promote racist views. I knew they would.
https://abcn.ws/2Pv6ncF

Most important thing, I think is this part:
"The person who is accused of taking Mollie’s life is no more a reflection of the Hispanic community as white supremacists are of all white people," wrote Rob Tibbetts.

I agree with your highlight of Mr Tibbetts’ comment. 

You can look high, low, back and front and such crimes are not specific to immigration status. That’s not the unifying feature, at all (*cough*, that’s maleness). But if you want to run through the village with a flaming torch, the accusation is a reliable way to mob up the villagers with you on the way to the bonfire you want to see lit up, while you go back and rob their houses as it burns.

[son-goku5]

2 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

I agree with your highlight of Mr Tibbetts’ comment. 

You can look high, low, back and front and such crimes are not specific to immigration status. That’s not the unifying feature, at all (*cough*, that’s maleness). But if you want to run through the village with a flaming torch, the accusation is a reliable way to mob up the villagers with you on the way to the bonfire you want to see lit up, while you go back and rob their houses as it burns.

Something like that happened in India. Some radio station gave reports about child molesters in their village and the townsfolk began mobbing together and lynched several innocent people who were going through that village.

[chucky]

Well, it's hard to believe that it's been 17 years since the tragedy in New York City and The Pentagon, as well as that Pennsylvania  field on September 11, 2001.

[veejay]

7 minutes ago, chucky said:

Well, it's hard to believe that it's been 17 years since the tragedy in New York City and The Pentagon, as well as that Pennsylvania  field on September 11, 2001.

Yeah, that truly is. I was deeply shocked at this time.

[chucky]

1 minute ago, veejay said:

Yeah, that truly is. I was deeply shocked at this time.

As was I! 

[son-goku5]

I was doing my army service when it happened, right in the middle of basic training. When the officers superiors told us about it, we were like "Yeah, right. They're doing this to have a basis for the next alarm session". When we were dismissed, I took out my old walkman, which had a radio, and listened to the news only to hear it was true. When we were called down, we moved by the guard post and they had their TV on, which had the images of the burning and collapsing towers.

Also, on this day, just as a reminder of what kind of man the current president of the United States is.

After 9/11 happened, Donald Trump called into WWOR Radio and as a comment he said "Well, I guess my building is now the tallest."

Oh, and today, the first thing he tweeted about was the old "No collusion" before someone told him that today was the anniversary of that attack. The attack during which he "lost hundreds of friends" (changed that later to "many many friends" - both of which were lies) and to which he saw "thousands of muslims dancing and celebrating in Jersey City (which of course didn't happen)

Edited September 11, 2018 by son-goku5

[veejay]

5 hours ago, chucky said:

Well, it's hard to believe that it's been 17 years since the tragedy in New York City and The Pentagon, as well as that Pennsylvania  field on September 11, 2001.

 

Edited September 11, 2018 by veejay

[Die Zimtzicke]

6 hours ago, chucky said:

Well, it's hard to believe that it's been 17 years since the tragedy in New York City and The Pentagon, as well as that Pennsylvania  field on September 11, 2001.

Every year when I go sub at a school they do something for this and the kids act like you're talking about the Civil War. None of them are old enough to remember it. I was very touched when I visited the memorial, though. I love the way each person gets a rose by their name on their birthday.

[chucky]

23 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Every year when I go sub at a school they do something for this and the kids act like you're talking about the Civil War. None of them are old enough to remember it. I was very touched when I visited the memorial, though. I love the way each person gets a rose by their name on their birthday.

I'm glad it's still remembered not just treated like history.

[bfm]

Just flipped through channels in Spain and found dubbed TBBT, so so weird! Leonard is not nasal enough, Raj has the same Spanish accent as everyone, Bernadette wasn't squeaky enough in the S4 episode they aired, better in later episodes, and when they sing they suddenly switch voices because they left the originals LOL

They also jumped from S4 to 6 to 9 to 3 and without even showing the end credits haha But they chose the episodes well (I understand Spanish so I'm watching)

Edited September 22, 2018 by bfm

[joyceraye]

Following it in Spanish - well done ! I need English subtitles to tell what they're saying in the original. I admire anybody who can watch it in another language.

[bfm]

4 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Following it in Spanish - well done ! I need English subtitles to tell what they're saying in the original. I admire anybody who can watch it in another language.

I did miss some parts here and there but I'm not that used to Spanish accent so that makes it harder, and sometimes you miss stuff even in your own language and accent when it's said fast. I did catch most though.

I'm glad shows are subtitled in my country. The dubbing is so weird to me and it takes away so much from the original. Subtitling also helped me to learn and improve other languages. My Spanish is from TV (and a bit from forums and the like at a later stage) and my English would have probably been much much worse were it from school only.

[son-goku5]

5 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Following it in Spanish - well done ! I need English subtitles to tell what they're saying in the original. I admire anybody who can watch it in another language.

Well, I can watch it in German if I wanted to ^^ But knowing the english originals, it always sounds weird. But the voice actress for Penny is pretty close to he original in pitch and cadence.

It's the same with Friends, The Simpsons or South Park. Since I know how they sound in the original, I can't watch them in German anymore. It's also a great training to keep my English language skill on the level ^^

[joyceraye]

7 minutes ago, son-goku5 said:

Well, I can watch it in German if I wanted to ^^ But knowing the english originals, it always sounds weird. But the voice actress for Penny is pretty close to he original in pitch and cadence.It's the same with Friends, The Simpsons or South Park. Since I know how they sound in the original, I can't watch them in German anymore. It's also a great training to keep my English language skill on the level ^^

Well done for knowing what they're saying in the original ! I'm English and I often don't. I used to get Nancy Drew and The Bobsey Twins from the children's library and bought Superman, Lois Lane, Batman and Jimmy Olsen comics as a child and teenager, but I still have trouble occasionally with the American language. Add to that Bernadette's and Young Missy's unintelligibility at least once in an episode. (To my ears Raj's parents speak the most clearly. ) I usually find somewhere to download the episode within half an hour of its showing in the US and sometimes can't wait for the subtitles to be uploaded so I can catch a bit the audience has laughed at but I've missed. 'Served in the skull of a goblin' I'd never have got, no matter how many times I played it. At least once the American subtitles are up, if it's a word or a name I've not heard before I can search it.  When the episode reaches Channel E4, it's bliss to get the subtitles in English English  but it's anything from six days to six weeks after the US broadcast, depending on the time of year. 

[bfm]

48 minutes ago, son-goku5 said:

Well, I can watch it in German if I wanted to ^^ But knowing the english originals, it always sounds weird. But the voice actress for Penny is pretty close to he original in pitch and cadence.

It's the same with Friends, The Simpsons or South Park. Since I know how they sound in the original, I can't watch them in German anymore. It's also a great training to keep my English language skill on the level ^^

I think Joyce meant a language that is not your native one, like Spanish is for me. 

Here they only dub children's shows. I'm grateful for that. Some of the shows (and movies) that fit older children as well are sometimes aired (/are available) in a dubbed version and sometimes in a subtitled one. I went for subtitles as soon as I could read fast enough.

[son-goku5]

2 hours ago, bfm said:

I think Joyce meant a language that is not your native one, like Spanish is for me.

That's my point. English isn't my native language, I'm German.

MY preference for the originals is also to avoid the butchering of the meaning of the sentence, even though sometimes it can enhance a series. A great example for this is a show that was called "Die Zwei" in Germany (freely translated "The Two" but the original title was "The Persuaders!") with Tony Curtis and Roger Moore. That show flopped in the US but achieved success in Europe and outright cult status in Germany due to its dubbing, which was written as far removed from the original as you can expect and included some slapstick expressions I still can laugh about. Highlights include gems like "Hands up - I've got an armpit fetish." or "This is the worst coffee I ever had. - That's not coffee, that's dishwater. - Oh, my bad, then it's downright delectable, if you can stomach it." or "Is he hurt? - No, he was lucky, the bullet only hit him in the head." or "The night is darker than your feet."

To note, I have utmost respect for people who translate scripts into other languages. Not only do you have to keep the meaning of the dialogue you're translating, you only have to take care to keep the number of syllables as close together as possible because of the lip movements.

Edited September 23, 2018 by son-goku5